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Big East Tourney scenarios

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Yes, it's the moment I wait for all year - 1 week until the tourney! That means its time to crunch some numbers and see how the seeding can turn out. ;

This post will probably be dated in about 4 hours, so I recommend TiVoing all of today's games and not watching until you completely understand all tourny implications.  

Here we go...

Scenario #1: Everything goes as expected

UL over Nova and GU
GU over Marq
UConn wins out, including beating WV
Pitt over Syr
Cincy over Prov
Syr over Hall

1    #18 Louisville       
2    #10 Georgetown        2-0   
2    #16 Connecticut        1-2        1-0 vs UL
2    #17 Notre Dame    1-2   
5    #21 Marquette       
6    West Virginia       
7    Cincinnati        split        1-0 vs UL
7    Pittsburgh        split        0-1 vs. UL   
9    Villanova        won h to h   
9    Seton Hall       
11    Syracuse       
12    DePaul       
13    Providence        won h to h   
13    St. John's       
15    Rutgers       
16    South Florida       

Louisville plays the winner of the 8/9 game.  Pitt is #8 because they split with Cincy and the next tie-breaker is record vs #1 seed.  Nova beat S Hall heat to head to get the #9 seed.  

Scenario #2: What if GU loses to Marq but beats UofL

1    #10 Georgetown        3-1   
1    #16 Connecticut        2-2    won h to h
1    #18 Louisville        2-2   
1    #17 Notre Dame    1-3   
5    #21 Marquette       
6    West Virginia       
7    Cincinnati        split    1-0 vs RU
7    Pittsburgh        split   
9    Villanova        won h to h   
9    Seton Hall       
11    Syracuse       
12    DePaul       
13    Providence        won h to h   
13    St. John's       
15    Rutgers       
16    South Florida       

This one gave me a headache.  A 4-way tie for first (that's a lot of t-shirts) gets broken with the miniconference record.  GU wins and ND is the #4 seed.  UConn gets the 2 over UofL because of the head-to head game.  Cincy and Pitt split and no team gains a tie-breaker advantage until all the way down to Rutgers(!), which won at Pitt.  

Scenario #3    Same thing, plus UConn loses to WV

1    #10 Georgetown        2-1    split h to h    2-0 vs Vill/SHall
1    #18 Louisville        2-1    split h to h    1-1 vs Vill/SHall
1    #17 Notre Dame    0-2               
4    #16 Connecticut        won h to h               
4    #21 Marquette                   
6    West Virginia                   
7    Cincinnati    split h to h    1-0 vs RU           
7    Pittsburgh    split h to h   
9    Villanova       
9    Seton Hall       
11    Syracuse       
12    DePaul       
13    Providence    won h to h   
13    St. John's       
15    Rutgers       
16    South Florida       

UofL now gets the two.  Same miniconf record as GU and tiebreak goes all the way down to Vill/SHall, where GU wins with 2-0 record.  Cincy-Pitt tiebreaker still goes all the way down to Rutgers.

Scenario #4    Worst case -  UL loses out, UConn drops a game to WV, Marq wins out

Rank           
1    #10 Georgetown        won h to h   
1    #17 Notre Dame       
3    #16 Connecticut        2-0   
3    #18 Louisville        2-1   
3    #21 Marquette        0-3   
6    West Virginia       
7    Pittsburgh        1-1   
7    Cincinnati        0-2    beat Nova h to h
7    Villanova        0-2   
10    Seton Hall       
11    Syracuse       
12    DePaul       
13    Providence    won h to h   
13    St. John's       
15    Rutgers       
16    South Florida       

So, Louisville gets the 4 seed here and plays winner of Marq/DePaul.  Pitt/Cincy/Nova deadlock is broken by record over GU/ND, then Cincy h-to-h win over Nova.  

I think this means out ND win clinched us a bye.  That's pretty important.  

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SJU beat Prov.  They get h to h for #13 seed, which is really important for bragging rights among the teams sitting at home.

by Phauz on Mar 1, 2008 12:12 PM EST reply actions  

Thats dumb
No matter what we have to win out in order to win the conference.

by mapaul04 on Mar 1, 2008 2:25 PM EST reply actions  

Sort of
there was some chance Cincy and Seton Hall bomb out and we win tie breaker on Pitts record.  Moot point now since Marquette choked.  

by Phauz on Mar 1, 2008 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

What if
What if we lose to Vill but beat GTown

Assuming we all have 4 loses. We would be 3-1 vs the mini conference. GTown would be 2-2. ND would be 1-3. And UConn would be 2-2. SO we would win this scenario right?

So I guess as long as we beat GTown we win the conference. Assuming the other 2 teams win out. Is this right?

by mapaul04 on Mar 1, 2008 5:32 PM EST reply actions  

Thats correct
Now it pretty much all comes down to the GTown game.  

Here are scenarios if we lose to Nova and beat GTown:

UConn and ND win out: UL #1 with 3-1 miniconf record (as you describe)
UConn drops one: UL #1 with 3-0 miniconf vs GTown 1-2, ND 0-2)
ND drops one: UL #1 with 2-1 miniconf vs GTown 1-1, UConn 1-1)
ND and UConn both lose 1: UL #1 with h to h sweep of GTown

by Phauz on Mar 1, 2008 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

So it's basically...
Beat Georgetown and be #1 or lose to Georgetown and be #3?

by Mike Rutherford on Mar 1, 2008 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Sheesh!
Well, makes it simple.

MUST win out.

Wonder if Pitino knows this.

by frankpos on Mar 1, 2008 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Probably
We'd be #3 unless UConn loses to Prov or Cincy, then we'd get #2.  Finishing with the same record as UConn is no good cuz they beat us head to head.  

by Phauz on Mar 2, 2008 1:23 AM EST up reply actions  

BTW, Sedat may not be allowed to do handstands!
 From my interview with Sedat, the 64 yr old man who does handstands on the 2nd floor stadium railing:

"But Frank, I must tell you, I do not know if I can do the handstand again. Last game, they came to me and told me I can not do the handstand any more. They brought two police men.

They let me do it at the Georgetown game. Nobody said anything. I don't understand..."

For the full interview on a truly amazing man, and the details on this controversy with the handstand after 40 yrs:

http://hellinthehall.wordpress.com/

by frankpos on Mar 1, 2008 6:43 PM EST reply actions  

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