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Bob Knight reactions

We're going to talk more about last night's game eventually, but first I think it's necessary to take a brief look at how folks are reacting to the big news that was creepily broken by Rece Davis last night.

First things first, I don't like Bob Knight. I can't foresee any situation in which I will be forced to work or be in the same room with him, so I'm not scared to say it. I grew up not liking Bob Knight because the other people in my family didn't like Bob Knight, and I decided I still didn't like him after I reached the point where I was able to form my own opinions.

I do still love the "game face" bit though.

I always saw Knight the same way I see Hannibal Lector from The Silence of the Lambs: you don't care for who he is or what he's done (choking kids/wearing dead people's faces), but if you're at the same party or bar, you really want him to like you. Knight seems like the type of guy you could drink and laugh and have a great time with all night, and still come away not liking him.

So I suppose it should come as little surprise that I side with most of what was written in Pat Forde's incontestably ballsy column.

Knight has always been a putative disciplinarian who lacked self-discipline. Now a man who demands loyalty has abandoned a Texas Tech team that is 12-8 (3-3 Big 12) and No. 54 in the RPI -- in other words, still harboring NCAA Tournament hopes. Along the way, the guy who has always disdained individual player glory sure didn't quit before he reached that 900-victory plateau, did he?

So now Knight takes his record 902 wins and quits. Bobby Petrino was charbroiled for leaving the Atlanta Falcons with three games left and the team at 3-10, but The General surrenders with at least 11 games to go and we're supposed to give him a pass?

I don't think so. Not if there are no health issues attached for him or anyone in his immediate family, and by all indications from those surrounding Knight, there are none. Remember, this is a guy who signed a three-year contract extension in September.

Knight told the Lubbock Avalanche-Journal that the timing was largely to benefit his son and successor, Pat.

That's nice for Pat Knight, who has a chance to be a very successful head coach. But what about the four seniors on the Tech roster: leading scorer Martin Zeno, No. 3 assist man Charlie Burgess and reserves Esmir Rizvic and Tyler Hoffmeister? How do they feel about having the last weeks of their college careers turned over to on-the-job training for the coach's son?

You'll hear a lot in the coming days about Bob Knight doing this "on his terms." Of course he did. When has Bob Knight ever done anything that was not on his terms? He is a walking one-way street.

And you have already heard a lot of the leaving "on his terms" talk (Digger), and it's just so remarkably preposterous. Of course he quit on his own terms, everyone who leaves a job after no serious wrong-doing (although I'm far from convinced that nothing but blossoming apathy sparked this) is leaving on his own terms. What part of Bobby Petrino's "cowardly" flee didn't occur on "his own terms?" If these are Knight's "terms," then they're disgraceful. Walking out on four seniors and a team that still has a shot to make the NCAA Tournament with just over a month to go is reprehensible whether you've won 902 or 22 games.

Of course Knight certainly wasn't without his redeeming qualities, something pointed out by John Feinstein, author of A Season on the Brink which chronicled Indiana's 1985-86 basketball season.

He and I were sitting in a Bob Evans in Indianapolis at about 1 o'clock in the morning on the eve of Indiana's game in a holiday tournament against Mississippi State. Knight was talking at length about his team's lack of toughness when a boy approached the table very gingerly. Almost always in public situations, Knight was extremely approachable as long as people were polite.

"Coach, I'm sorry to interrupt," the boy began. "But I wonder if I could ask you a big favor."

I began reaching for a pen, assuming the youngster wanted an autograph. I was wrong. His name was Garland Loper, and he was 12 years old. He explained to Knight that his father and brother would like to meet him.

"Of course," Knight said. "Where are they?"

Garland pointed across the restaurant.

"You see, Coach, they're both deaf and mute," he explained. "They talk through me. They'd like to say hello to you if it's okay." Knight instantly waved over the two older Lopers. They signed to Garland, who spoke to Knight, telling him how much they loved Indiana basketball and how proud they were of him and his players. Knight was clearly touched by all three. He took down their home address and phone number and sent the entire family Indiana memorabilia and souveniers. He also invited them to a game.

Prior to the game, Knight took the Lopers into the locker room. He introduced them to his players, and then Garland again acted as the family spokesman so he, his dad and his brother could speak to the players. When he was finished, the room was absolutely silent.

"Boys," Knight said as he always did when his team had visitors. One by one, the players lined up to shake hands with the Lopers and introduced themselves.

When the Lopers had left, there was a long silence, and then Knight said, "Boys, I don't ever want to hear again how tough your lives are."

That was his pregame talk.

To this day, everyone on that team with whom I keep in touch remembers that scene.

See, you kind of want to be friends with him now.

And lastly, Texas Tech blog Double T Nation discusses the currently overlooked issue of where the Red Raiders go from here.

I reckon that after the numerous transfers of 2005 and the quick fixes in 2006 Knight then figured that he owed it to Pat to get the program back on track. With the influx of John Roberson, D'Walyn Roberts and Mike Singletary in Texas Tech's 2007 recruiting class, this program is much closer to being pointed in a positive direction than it has been in a long time. You can see the young core, so long as they all stick around, and I tend to think that they will, that there is certainly some talent at Texas Tech. The program is in the best place it's been for years, at least in terms of going forward. I guess he thinks that this team has turned a corner with the youth. Zeno, Voskuil and Burgess barely registered on the radar on Saturday afternoon. It was the freshmen, notably Roberson and Singletary, that led the way. If there was ever a sign that the program was back to a place where Pat Knight had a chance, then this was it. That was the sign.

So, after all of that, do I believe Knight? On some level I do. Bottom line is that I think Knight really cares about the program and he wanted to give his son a chance. A real chance to coach a program that, so long as these freshmen come through, will eventually have a chance to compete for a Big 12 Title. I know, it's awfully lofty aspirations, but none of the three are good enough to leave early for the NBA, but all are talented. These are four year players who, if they stick around, could do something special if given time.

Perhaps we talk about the legacy that Bob Knight left or if Pat is equipped to do the job after a day or two, once the dust settles. I think we need to give this time to sink in.

Sweet dreams Bobby. Enjoy all the awful puns on your last name for years to come.

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Incredible story
about the little boy and his two deaf family members.  This isn't to say that any other coach wouldn't have reacted the same way, but it's nice to see that the biggest asshole in college basketball history has a soft spot.

You won't find a single coach in NCAA Men's basketball that doesn't admire at least one thing that Knight did.  Certainly, a lot of coaches hated the fact that he overreacted to calls, threw chairs, and sometimes tried to physically harm players (sometimes he really did).  Overall, though, Bob Knight's legacy is going to be one for the record books, and it makes me sad to see him go.

by ziptnf on Feb 5, 2008 4:35 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Mixed feelings from a born and raised Hoosier
I was brought up an IU fan in the 80's and 90's, and  my wife and I are both IU alums. (I'm not just an IU fan hijacking a UL site, I started rooting for the Cards when I moved to Louisville about 5 years ago and been reading here since before it was Card Chronicle. UK hate runs about as rampant in the IU fan base, so it's a good fit. Mike should feel at home now that I've written almost an entire paragraph in parenthesis)

I have never had a significant problem with Knight, but I'm not in the extremist apologist camp either. I continued to root for him after leaving IU, and didn't have a problem with his dismissal.

I don't think he did the right thing for his players by jumping ship mid season, but I wouldn't go as far as Forde in tearing him apart for it. I think he deserves some criticism, but too many are going over the top like Forde. The Petrino comparison isn't fair, there was a lot more justifiable outrage over that because he was moving on to his third job in less than a year after looking to jump ship for like 5 straight years.

I feel the same way a lot of life-long UL fans in their upper 20's would likely feel if Crum did the same. The two aren't comparable aside from both having great success, but the situations would be comparable.

by cmb on Feb 5, 2008 10:26 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Good post
Parenthesis rule.

Centrists are almost always more right than wrong.

by Mike Rutherford on Feb 5, 2008 10:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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