Notre Dame: More Like West Virginia Than You Think, Hear Me Out
And....YAM.
There's probably not two fan bases in the country more different than West F'in Virginia and Notre Dame. As a good Catholic boy growing up in Louisville, I of course was inundated with Notreganda from an early age, through cousins and television and Rudy and all that. But I was never a fan. One of the more unheralded rivalries in the country is Georgetown/Notre Dame. Rumors of admission to one virtually requiring the other to reject even the most qualified applicants. Graduates of both regarding the other with pity for attending their safety school. The obvious football disparity and basketball rivalry. So if I was neutral on Notre Dame as a kid, I became very anti-Notre Dame through high school, college and afterwards.
And when we started playing them on a yearly basis, the rivalry grew. Every game against them at Freedom Hall was close. Every time we played up there, we got destroyed. Since we've been in the Big East, Louisville victories have been by 3 points, 5 points, 6 points (in OT), 2 points (2OTs) and 6 points (OT in Big East semifinal in the last win of Preston!'s career that elicited this biggest post-game CardsFan922 excitement response since....the WVU Elite 8 game.) And the losses at ND were by 10 points (OT/Kuric Dunk game), 14 points, 33 points (!!!!) in 2009, ND was on a 7 game losing streak, and the Cardinals would go on to be the overall 1 number tournament seed. A definite pattern exists.
So history would tell us that we should win tomorrow in a close game. But these are not your Hansbro/Gody Irish. This is probably the weakest ND squad of the past 5 years. Tim Abromaitis, their best player, is out for the season. Their leading scorer is sophomore point guard Eric Atkins and the second best scorer is sophomore Jerian Grant, of whom I've never heard. Also lurking are Scott "Kyle Kuric Dunked On Me And All I Got Was This Lousy T-Shirt Reflecting 21 Points In an Ultimately Futile Team Loss In Madison Square Garden" Martin and Jack "I've Lived Off Convincing Freshman Girls I'm Really Luke Harangody For 3 Years" Cooley. There's another sophomore named Alex Dragicevich who can score for them, but I don't know enough about him to make a funny "quote as middle name" joke. So I'll just go with Alex "Chickenf---er" Dragicevich. And they've got a guy named, I swear this is real, Mike Broghammer. If it's not too late, I hope someone makes a "Sup, Broghammer" sign for the student section.
Anyway, Notre Dame comes into town for their first Yum! Center experience with a 9-6 record, including losses to Cinci, Indiana, Maryland, Gonzaga, Georgia and Missouri. So you can see, not all that bad. Their destruction of Pitt looked better two days ago than it does one day into the Depaucolypse. Also they beat Sacred Heart by like 40, although that doesn't seem fair since Sacred Heart is a girls high school.
So we SHOULD be able to avoid overtime tomorrow. But Notre Dame is sorta like our rivalry with West Virginia: every game ends up being close no matter how good the teams are. Every game has crazy events and happenings. But it's different somehow than West Virginia. Notre Dame brings out the Doctors of Dunk encoded in every Cardinal player's DNA, but West Virginia brings out the AHHHHHHHH in all of us every time we play. There's always way more intensity/dread/fear when we play West Virginia than when we play Notre Dame even though the series history is eerily similar. Maybe because we consistently win at home against Notre Dame it doesn't have quite that same feel as the West Virginia game. Maybe it's all the Catholic fans whose second favorite team is the Irish. Maybe it's that every time we play them, I mean, sure ND is up by 10 with 2 minutes to play and all of our guys have 4 fouls and their 3rd string center is hitting 25 footers, but, you know, we've got this game. Who knows.
So with the way this year's squad seems to play to its competition, and Notre Dame's style seems to always give our defense fits, and we always get down, and we always play crazy close games against Notre Dame, and they always involve huge comebacks....well, I'm going with the obviously reasonable prediction: a double digit win, overtime, a crazy dunk by a Louisville player that will forever be known as "The Yam! at the Yum!".....and a Louisville win.
Just don't count on it.
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ND grad agrees
As the resident ND grad who grew up die-hard red & black around here, I’ll chime in. Sorry I’ve been incommunicado for the better part of the last 6 months, but work, new baby, yada yada, whatever.
Anyway, I agree about this year’s game – while it will be my first at the Bucket (though I did take the kids to the circus and TSwift) – I’m pretty blah about the matchup. Thanks to the loss of Abro and inexplicable decision of Carleton Scott to enter the Europ — er, NBA draft, this is by far the youngest ND team in a decade. As you mentioned, you’ll actually see Brey play more than 6 guys for once, and the style of play is much more loose and turnover-prone. I liken it to the football Cards – lots of young talent to be excited about for the coming years, but if ND can go .500 in the BE this year I’ll be shocked.
For once I fully expect UofL to dominate. While ND may have some nice moments and a run or two, this should be a 15 point win for the Cards.
While I will wear gold & blue and root politely for my Irish, by the end I’ll be happy if ND makes a good effort and moreso that the one of my two teams with legitimate post-season potential takes another step with a good win. Go Irish ;)
You can't spell SUCK without SC or UK.

"I am willing to donate to the charity that is working on the prevention of whatever the hell Dick Vitale has." - noobmaster
If you grew up red and black
Stay true to your colors! Don’t bring your gold and blue crap into the nicest arena in college basketball!
by UofLCards36 on Jan 7, 2012 1:27 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Growing up a Catholic in Louisville
I have grown to hate Notre Dame. My grandma raised me red and black and to ignore the people who act like Notre Dame football is the second coming. They easily have the gayest fan base in sports. The Notre Dame people walk around with an unearned sense of entitlement and rarely ever went to the actual school. They have real high standards as well. Michael Floyd, their best receiver had 3 DUI charges yet stayed on their team. Greg Scruggs was a 1 DUI and dismissed. Notre Dame, this is not the early-1900’s pre African American athlete time. Take your “tradition” and shove it straight up your leprechaun a$$es. Go Cards! Beat the hell out of the Irish! (glad to get this off my chest)
by UofLCards36 on Jan 7, 2012 1:25 AM EST via mobile reply actions
why you mad bro?
I don’t correlate growing up Catholic in Louisville to having a hatred for Notre Dame. If anything, it would be the other way around.
The gayest fan base in sports? C’mon, man, let’s not resort to that. I’ll give you that ND has a large group of fans that did not graduate from there, but it doesn’t mean they can’t like them nonetheless. I didn’t graduate from UL, but I still live and die with them. I also never played for the Cubs, but I still love them.
Also, the Michael Floyd situation is different than how ND has handled things in the past. Before Brian Kelly, any such alcohol-related incident typically resulted in dismissal from the team. However, get your facts your straight: it was his third alcohol-related incident, but his first DUI. The DUI happened on campus. Lastly, the hit to his reputation and the ensuing legal troubles far outweigh the “benefits” of playing a year of college football. Don’t act like he got off easy – you don’t know what B. Kelly required of him. If you want a program that lets players off easy, take a look at Memphis under Calipari or Florida under Meyer.
But seriously, why you mad bro?
As a lifelong Mountaineer...
Them’s fightin’ words. I’ve detested ND for every bit as long as Pitt. When I was a kid and the TV options were limited, it was a struggle to find WVU highlights and even rarer still that a game was televised. Yet every Sunday I’d get home from church and there would be a replay of the previous day’s ND game. No one could explain to me why a Catholic school 500 miles away should be on tv every week and I had to settle for listening to my beloved Eers on the radio. Granted, it was Jack Fleming and Woody O’Hara- two all-time greats- but it just wasn’t as satisfying. Then, one Saturday, Notre Dame was playing USC on ABC. They were dominating the Trojans. Then Anthony Davis single-handedly destroyed the Irish and I was smitten. Even now, they’re my second-favorite school. Yeah, I know it’s a private, rich-kid school that has more in common with ND than WVU, but they opened my eyes to what college football could be. Notre Dame seemed a thing of the past, even in 1974. Famous for things 50 years before I was born, and an uninteresting style of play after watching AD, Pat Haden and JK McKay dazzle the nation.
I still despise Notre Dame. The fan’s sense of entitlement, the press’s laziness in participating in the semiannual “wake up the echoes” crap, and the school’s “we’re above the mundane conference model” attitude. And over the years I’ve seen some of those traits in Pitt, which has transformed my unquestioned generational hate into something more easily explained. They’ve won one national championship since leather helmets yet always act as if they’re one recruiting class from taking their rightful spot among the elites. Their fans (at least the ones that actually show for games) are every bit as awful as they would tell you WVU fans are. And after being so butthurt about VaTech, Miami and BC leaving, they had no problems walking away from the Big East. They’ve traded rivalries and tradition for money and mediocrity. I hope we get to continue playing them, although I doubt they’ll want to prolong the series. After all, why book a OOC game youo might lose when you struggle to win the yearly MAC tuneup game? I feel like we’re on an upward arc, and part of me is going to feel cheated out of stomping them for as long as that arc lasts. Too bad they’ll never be relevant enough for us to avenge 13-9.
This brings me, in a roundabout way, to the U of L. I honestly hope you guys get into the BIg 12 because we had a good thing going. From the Brohm/Bush/White/Slaton years to this year’s upset, UL was about to become our chief rival, because we’re similar schools- hardnosed, earn-what-you-have programs. We respect U of L. I know this post is about hoops but only the names change- the spirit is the same.
Beat the hell out of those 1%ers.
Uh, West Virginia is upset in being compared to Notre Dame?
that doesn’t make sense. I mean, WVU fans have zero class, and Notre Dame is one of the best schools in the country. I don’t get it.
by johnnyjoejohnson on Jan 7, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
Just wondering
since I saw him so much in that last video. Does anyone know how TJ is doing in Europe this year? Or did he go the D-League route?
by twistedenglish77 on Jan 7, 2012 10:32 AM EST reply actions
Liege Basket in Belgium
Has played in all 9 games averaging 20 minutes, 59% from the floor, 64% from the line, 4.2 RB, 1.1 steals, 1.1.4 blocks, 0.6 A, 7.4 PPG.
The team is 5-4. And a famous statue in Belgium is the Mannequin Pis. Don’t ask.
Speaking of WVU, G'town is 1-10 from 3-pt range so far today @ WVU
Yeah, they had some open looks against us, but it really was just their night in terms of shooting. They are a good 3-pt shooting team that is capable of that kind of night, but they have to regress to their average, and the odds of them shooting that way again against us would be very low.
I am still pissed about that loss, much more than the UK loss.
100% agree
We should have won that game.
by johnnyjoejohnson on Jan 7, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions
Georgetown Game
Georgetown played a flawless game against us. 64% from 3 and 18-22 from the line (under the final seconds). They can’t repeat that and there’s no way that they’re long for the tournament because they won’t be able to string consecutive games like that.
Bunniesssss.... and YAM!
Seriously one of my favorite quotes ever. I’m gonna track this guy down
by bjack357 on Jan 7, 2012 2:51 PM EST via mobile reply actions

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