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by jbcard on Jan 31, 2012 7:14 PM EST
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PrintOk we were awarded the early schedule winners. Everyone is talking about how good we will be next year. And with coaching chamges at Pitt, Rugters, and the possible departure of WvU. Louisville looks like a solid piece and a easy lock to lock up the big east.
But could our schedule hurt us? Thats the first question. Second question is if WvU leaces the conference that leaves an opening on the schedule do we schedule a higher level competition game for that slot.
Think about it the great games with the U (Miami). That game every year for the time that the liar boy was here guaranteed us a shot at a national spot light and if we just so happened to pull off a victory would give us the caliber win we would have needed for national respect. So lets fast forward to next season. Lets say that our defense witht the fresh bodies and elite talent added, that they put out an even better effort than last year. Lets say the OL plays great or atleast acceptable all year long and with the returning cast we have on both sides of the ball we run throught the non conference and go unbeaten in conference get a couple of close wins against Pitt who always seems to beat us and scrape past and crafty Cincy team. So now people are looking at us saying ok Louisville is undefeated but do they really dserve to play for a title? Lets be real South Florida ever year seems to come with a lot of hype and never delivers. Pitt has been is flux forever Rugters is going threw a coaching change. WVU might not be in the conference so if they leave, there is a good chance that the other teams out side of US and Cincy could take a dramatic step backwards.
If that happens then there is a chance we get snubbed on a chance to play for a title despite a perfect record.So that leaves the question should west virginia leave should we put a higher level of competition on the schedule?
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Not to be a downer here
But I don’t see an undefeated season next year. Would I freaking love it, hell yeah. Oklahoma State was bad ass last year and lost a fluky game to Iowa St and they got passed up by a SEC team with a one loss as well. Ok St had a better resume too. You are not guaranteed a title shot unless your are an undefeated or one loss SEC team. The BCS is stupid. However, I think if you are right and we go undefeated, and that WVU game is replaced by us going to Bryant-Denny and beating the defending national champions and the North Carolina game is replaced by us beating USC in Rose Bowl, then we might get considered…. for the Gator Bowl.
dont understand?
there wasnt a game last year that we really shouldnt have won other than FIU i’ll give them that one they out played us but in every other game we lost weather u want to blame it the line (which will be a lot better) in experience (90% of the starters are back) or what ever you want we should be better in every aspect of the game. considering we blew fourth quarter leads against unc cincy and marshall. From that alone and with the teams being in flux with coaching changes there is a good chance a great chance we could go undefeated i’d say its about a 45% of a chance that we go undfeated
We won't be undefeated.
I’ll put money on that right here and now. (Esp since its a bet I would be happy to lose.)
We never led against UNC. Neither team played well, but I don't think we should have won that game, or that we were really ever in it.
And I think the Cincy outcome was correct. We built our lead on early UC turnovers. They were the better team that game and proved it in the second half. Sometimes games are crap shoots, we easily could have lost the WVU game. I seem to recall their offense driving on their last few possessions.
I’d also bet money we won’t go undefeated. We still have a really young team. Maybe I’ll change my mind after spring practice, but I think it’s just way to early to thinking about wins and losses for the upcoming season.
by CardinalDude on Feb 1, 2012 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
yeah but
people have looked at our team from just the offensive struggles for the longest instead of really looking at how dominant our defense was. (not quite the claiber of a LSU or Alabama) but our defense gave our offense mulitple chances to make plays just certain mistakes put our defense in a bad decision. You talk about cincy I disagree they shouldnt have won that game at all. Lets not forget we held them to just 14 points through the fourth quarter. DJ Woods had probably the worse game he could possibly have he muffed like 4 punts Pead had a fumble. We were set to win the game just simply didnt have enough offensive effeciency to win. UNC game silly penalties i beleive that was the game were we had like a roughing the punter call and some pass intereference calls that helped sustain drives for unc that helped them get that last touchdown. it s was a 14-7 game. we were in unc territory all game remember 2 missed feild goals and stopped on a 4th and 1 so deffanately a game we could have and should have won. And if i’m not mistaking FIU was held scoreless in the second half. There wasnt a game that we shouldnt have won. Yes it is early and yes we could loose a fluk game but realisticly we should win every game or atleast be favored
Who didn't realize our defense was dominate?
That’s the reason that only 2 of our 12 losses since Strong has been here have been by more than 1 possession. We weren’t losing games because of our defense, we were losing games because we couldn’t score points. Cincy held our offense to 9 points, all field goals. And if add the two missed field goals against UNC, we still lose to them.
My point is that there are always a few games every year that are a crap shoot. Do you remember how many dropped passes Rutgers had against us this past year? There were at least two that I remember where had they caught it, it would have been a TD.
It’s very difficult to go undefeated in a season. Every break has to go your way at the right time. How many field goals did Bama miss the first time they played LSU?
Still think it’s way to early to even talk about this, we don’t even know our schedule. I think last years team showed that pre-season rankings mean shit in football.
I love the new Mike.
But I miss the old Card Chronicle.
by CARD_G6 on Jan 31, 2012 8:15 PM EST reply actions 4 recs
well said.
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1. We won't be able to find a marquee opponent if WVU manages to leave the conference. Outside of ESPN deciding they want us to play a marquee team, no chance we play anyone good.
2. We only played Miami twice. And they were overrated when we beat them in 06. Great win for our program for sure, but our signature win that season was WVU.
3. I don’t expect us to go undefeated. And even if we did, it would still be completely out of our control. Would it be a snub if an SEC team and PAC-12 team start the season ranked ahead of us and go undefeated?
Seriously though, spring practice hasn’t even started and we’re talking about going undefeated?
well
we deff could find an opponent. The games havent been set in stone yet so we could work something out with another school, and if u recall or remember we were supposed to play georgia but that got canked so they can play boise state the same thing could happen for us if we make it happen has nothing to do with espn and all to do with the schools themselves and money. as far as bcs is concerned Houston probably would have made it or could have made it had they one that last game and they werent ranked to start the season
ESPN is the reason our game against UGA got cancelled. They setup UGA/BSU because that's what they wanted for opening weekend.
Houston would have made it to a BCS bowl, but they had no shot at the NC game. Against, it’s all out of an individual teams control. Remember in 03 when 3 teams were left undefeated at the end of the year? Two of them won their bowl games.
yes espn had a hand in setting it up BUT!!!!!
Ulitimately its up to the schools to put the peieces in place sign the papers cross the T’s and dot the I’s Thus the athletic director saying it was to good to pass up. If it wasnt up to the school then it wouldn’t be his decision to pass up. Which bings up teh point i was trying to make earlier where is our markee game like miami and florida state back in the day. UNC doesnt fill that void. I think that something we should look into doing if WVU leaves cause we will have an open spot. And just to back that comment up here’s your link http://blogs.ajc.com/uga-sports-blog/2010/11/19/georgia-boise-state-announcement-coming/
I believe that article makes my point quite nicely.
ESPN was instrumental, Stokan said, in finding ways to make the pieces fit.
Of course it’s on the schools to set it up, but in the current BCS system, what incentive is there for teams to play good teams OOC? We keep seeing every year that the BCS rewards teams for not losing, and not who they beat. And my other point is that it’s fairly late in the process. We agreed to the UGA series in 2006 to play in 2011 and 2012.
I’m not disagreeing that we shouldn’t get a good team in here to play, I just realize that setting up OOC dates with good schools takes time.
Not gonna happen without help
So much depends on where you start the season ranked, which is BS but it is what it is. So we could go undefeated in a WVU-less Big East and most would see us as just a Boise State or TCU going undefeated. Any 1-loss team with a conference championship game win under their belt would go to the NC over us. No doubt about it. HOWEVER… if Louisville blows everyone out, it’s another story. Undefeated + no one really even challenging you turns heads and wins votes if you’re in a BCS conference. I think, realistically, we’re a year away from this undefeated scenario. We’ll be much better in 2012, but not undefeated until 2013 and/or 2014. Plus, we’ll likely start 2013 ranked very high, which sets us up for a true NC run.
This is looking way ahead with some serious "ifs"
But what happens if we have a good/great season that helps our ranking for 2013 and we then get picked up by the Big 12? Will that hurt a preseason ranking if the voters know our competition level is about to increase dramatically? Just a thought. Like CDude said above about the undefeated talk being mentioned, it is crazy, but it’s getting really fun again to have this buzz picking back up around the football program and the city.
Its great to be excited again!!!
But do i think its early yes. But do i still think it is very possible and very realistic yes
FIU- (no TY Hilton) Win
Missouri ST- (who are they) Win
UNC (at home charlie motivation/ revenge game) Win
Arkansas st (always win)
Pitt(another coaching shake up) possible Win
Rugters (major coaching change) Win
The Orange (get a beat down)
Uconn (proves they should go back to D-2)
USF always plays us tough at home but its at home and they have been backsliding
Undefeated is possible and could be huge suprise
I'm on board.
I actually mentioned the possibilty of going undefeated soon after the Belk Bowl. I know we could lose a fluky game, but there isn’t a game on our schedule next season where I’d think twice about picking us to win. Our toughest opponents are at home. You also forgot to mention that UC lost Pead an Collaros. Running the table is definitely a possibility. We could get snubbed bc our SOS isn’t very strong, but still get a BCS bowl. I understand all the guys doubting we go undefeated; tempering expectations. I’m excited for football season…
ALL HAIL
by Cardinal_Pride on Feb 1, 2012 4:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
You forgot to mention the UK Win
I do think that Rutgers game is going to be a lot tougher than you think. Beyond that I’m with you.
by StrictlyCARDS on Feb 1, 2012 5:38 AM EST up reply actions
Rutgers could be a tough game But!!
Dont rule out the fact that they have a new coach new coaches always take things they think needs improving or want to be done their way or want a new system put in i mean look at our school for example orange bowl victory lots players returning and no bowl the next year with virtually the same team we had the year before. So you never know but sense we always play them late in the season they could have it together by then anyway
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by twistedwedge on Feb 1, 2012 10:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
Ark State
I don’t know who all they are losing, but they were very good in 2011, and remember we only beat them by 10 in 2010. If that game’s sandwiched between UNC and Pitt, classic trap game. But yeah, when you look game by game, you can make a non-homer case that UofL could finish with just 1 loss or even undefeated. It’s not a huge stretch with a favorable home-away schedule.
you are correct
But again the statement our team should make early on in the season should show dramatic improvements our offense has been a patch work the past 5 seasons. I think this will be a year where our offense catches up to our defense not completely but enough to sustain leads and dominate inferior opponents
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by Chick-Stratino'sUrDaddy on Jan 31, 2012 11:53 PM EST reply actions
I am as on board the train as anybody.
But this is a lot of crazy talk.
My only comment for this.
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