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Dieng And Behanan Emerging As Elite Frontcourt Duo

I've always been a fan of the "big man." Probably because I'm a big guy. Little league, middle school, rec leagues, pickup games,.... you name the setting, and whenever I've played basketball I was either a center or a power forward. When you grow up in a small town, 6"2(&1/2), 230lbs automatically makes you a "Big Man" whenever you step onto the court. Anyway,.... I've crunched a few numbers dealing with our offensive efficiency over the last 5 games (since the team meeting), of which we are 4-1 with the only loss coming at Marquette, with no Kuric.

Interesting stuff; and to me, very telling about several things. Most notably, where our proverbial bread is now buttered on offense. Here is a chart, with some pontification after the jump......

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These are the offensive numbers for the 6 "key contributors" over the last 5 games. These six have played almost 80% of the minutes in the last 5 games; and, had Kuric played his average of 36 minutes in the two he missed,... these six would have logged 96% of the minutes over the 4-1 stretch. Over that same time frame, these six players have combined to score 94% of the teams points.

I realize that this is not the depth that we all thought we'd have this year, but it's become pretty obvious that these are the six guys who are going to have to play the bulk of the minutes, and get it done. This seems to be a recipe for success if you go by the last few games. Of course, you're going to have a Swopshire/ Justice/ Ware/ and even a Price on the floor in spot duty, and when foul trouble dictates it; but, a six man rotation seems to be what Rick has settled on, barring the miraculous return of "Fat-Asthmatic Wayne", or major improvements in of the aforementioned players.

Gorgui and Chane have emerged as the two most efficient offensive weapons during the recent up-tick, they're getting less shots than any of the six, except Siva, and it's really not his job on offense to get himself shots. Gorgui's numbers, especially, are borderline ridiculous. While the big guy has taken less shots than anyone, he's shooting 72% from the field which is far better than anyone on the team. He's also flat out getting it done from the free throw line where he's connecting at an 82% clip.

Chane isn't quite as good as the Gorgs from the free throw line, or the field; but, he does have a better FG% than anyone else not named "Gorshgee Shang" (if you watch highlights on ESPN.COM,.. you know what I'm say'n). These numbers are especially telling when you contrast how efficiently our big men are scoring the basketball, with the number of shots they're taking,...... and then compare those same numbers to the other 4 players.

Gorgui is averaging a shot about every 6 minutes. Chane is getting up a shot about every 4 minutes. Now look at the other four players. Chris and Kyle are taking a shot for every 3 minutes played. Russ (as you might expect) is getting up more shots than anyone with one every 2 minutes played. Siva just doesn't take a lot of shots, but for reference, he's taking a shot every 6 minutes played. Again, these numbers are only from the last five game stretch where we've gone 4-1; so, you might be saying to yourself "and, what's your point,... we're 4-1."

My point is, that we could be better. My point is, that it's time to start pounding the ball inside and let the offense flow through the players who have become our most effective scorers, and also happen to get to the line far more often than anyone else. The next step in the evolution of this team,... to go from just getting wins,.... to playing really good/ great basketball, is to start taking it to every front line we play. We have two legitimate scoring threats on the interior, and they don't get the ball nearly enough. I would argue that one of them needs to get, at least, one touch in the post on every trip down the floor; if for nothing else than to let the defense know it's something they have to pay attention to.

We need the other players on the floor to start looking for those guys more often. We need the other players on the floor to use their presence to get themselves better shots. We need the other players on the floor to get it out of their minds that we absolutely have to make a bunch of threes to win games. For Gorgui to play 38 minutes/ game over the last five, while shooting 72% from the field, and not have more than 13 points in any one of those games,....... well, that just seems a bit off the map to me. It's time to start feeding the beasts, guys. It's time to bring the pain to every front line we play.

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nice write up, i definitely agree that we should go down low but the risk you run with pounding it down low and not letting your post opportunities go with the flow of the game is you run into forced shots which obviously leads to a lower FG %…i think they have been giving us a good mix of post/outside play which we have to have to keep teams honest otherwise they are just going to double down on our post guys every time we drop it down to them

by hyperflux on Jan 31, 2012 12:45 PM EST reply actions  

Exactly what I was thinking. there's no etter way to set up that open corner three than to pass to the post, let the defense collapse to cove, then kick it back out to the wing.

I can just see Kyle and Chris wreaking havoc on a defense doing that. And these are pretty much spot up shots where you are not moving laterally, and your feet are set and facing the basket. Shooters like Kyle and Chris should be able to approach 60% or better shooting these. Lovin it.

And, excellent post by the way. and the chart looks great. Did you just cut and paste an Excel chart? Mine never line up after I post them. They look fine on my screen but as soon as I post it, the spacing gets all crazy. Any tips?

by Carolina Cardinal on Jan 31, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

true, my main point i guess is just that i’m not sure chane or gorgui would handle the pressure right now of being the true #1 options…although i would love to see a game where we just pound it inside to see how they would do…i love chane’s game but i think if we force fed him too much he would shoot a lot of wild shots and commit a lot of turnovers (both things we have seen from him throughout the year so far)

by hyperflux on Jan 31, 2012 1:14 PM EST reply actions  

Good Thoughts

And I agree with your central point, that being we need to get the ball to Gorgui and Chane in the post more often. I would like to add a few comments.

A great part of, in my opinion, Rick’s lament at Gorgui after the Seton Hall game (where he did end up with an excellent box score) was based on the fact that Gorgui didn’t set up in the post much when he is supposed to (supposed to is probably too strong of language here, but perhaps “when Rick would want him to” is better). He was far to willing to abandon good post position and matchups to run out and set high-screens. Granted, in Gorgui’s defense, our offense calls for such screens if he doesn’t get the ball from the perimeter in a timely fashion, but at least 3 times while watching the game I was baffled that he’d run out of position when it was clear we were working the ball to the corner to get him the proper entry pass. I guess Gorgui was really just letting it be a pure timing thing rather than “demanding” the ball when he’s clearly got the upper hand. I fully expect that this is something the coaching staff will be working with Gorgui and as quick of a learner as he is, expect to see it displayed this Saturday against Rutgers. If you go back and look at the game, Chane clearly was staying in post, waiting for the ball, even after the shot clock would have said to move on to the next set in the offense. I believe I’m right in this assessment because of Coach Pitino’s actual comments during the post game. He said his lament at Gorgui and immediately turned it into a praise for Chane. I think he was focusing on the observation I outlined above.

Also, shooting percentages are a bit tricky to compare. Remember that Kyle and Chris are primarily 3-pt shooters and you should convert their shooting percentages to 2-pt percentages to compare (Thus multiply by 3/2 or 1.5). You do this by doing the following math.

{ [ (Made 3’s * 3) + (Made 2’s * 2) ] / 2 } / (Attempted 3’s + Attempted 2’s)

Over the 5 games covered, Kyle is 9-21 from 3 and 4-13 from 2. The math here goes [(9*3+4*2) / 2] / (21+13). This gives Kyle and effective 2-pt percentage of 51.2%. On the same note, Chris is 14-27 from 3 (this is awesome btw) and 8-21 from 2. Again, the math would be [(14*3+8*2) / 2] / (27+21) for an equivalent 2-pt percentage of 60.4%. After this conversion, you’ll see that Chris Smith is more effective than Chane from a percentage standpoint and Kyle is very similar to Chane.

However, don’t think I’m criticizing your conclusion! This tells me that Gorgui is our most efficient scorer by quite a bit and that Chris/Chane/Kyle are all above 50%, which is pretty darn good. The difference is in total shots taken:

Gorgui (72%) – 29 shots taken
Chris (60%) – 48 shots taken
Chane (54%) – 33 shots taken
Kyle (51%) – 34 shots taken (in only 3 games, if all 5 played would be equivalent to ~57 shots taken)

We have weapons on the inside that are every bit as effective as our perimeter players. However, our interior players get more than 40% fewer shots than our perimeter shooters. Seems like you conclusion is correct. We can have a lot more balance in our attack by feeding the ball to our interior players more often.

by Remote Cardinal on Jan 31, 2012 1:19 PM EST reply actions  

dude, thanks!

I think/hope you’re correct about that Gorgui comment, because it gives me a lot of relief about coach. Barring your explanation, his comments were the most contradictory thing he could have done after my long winded post about communications.

Also, I don’t know if the staff can or should tweak how many shots go through GD/CB, regardless of Gorgui being our most efficient scorer, The time he’s not taking extra shots is well spent blocking, rebounding, et al. And kinda like Justin says down lower in the posts, if we got too good at running through our big guys now, everyone in the nation would be planning how to stop that. That’s a weapon to bring to bear in the big dance.

by 97E3LPL on Jan 31, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks again Chick

Hadn’t seen that from Crawford. That does seem coincidentally timed after my own ‘piece’. I guess bottom line is, there’s always more to something than one thinks at first. Thanks for sharing.

by 97E3LPL on Jan 31, 2012 11:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I wonder

what Pitino thinks about our 4’s and Gorgs passing the ball. That could be a large part of it. I see signs of life when Chane and Gorgs make a good pass here and there but they’re no Padgett in that respect. I believe they are at their best when they get the ball low and can either make the up and under, or the crab step/show ball/dunk.

If we can get a reliable inside passer out of one or two of these guys, our wings WOULD be deadly. I’m just not sure that Pitino has 100% confidence in two players having that much responsibility when they are both still developing.

Swop can be that guy if he catches the ball higher on the point.

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by Card Shark on Jan 31, 2012 1:26 PM EST reply actions  

Yea. I'm sure that Pitino has a very specific role for Swop when he's out there.

I’d guess that basically includes rebounding, and running the floor/ defensive plays. He plays very limited minutes as it is, and he’s probably just trying to manage the game while Gorgs or Chane gets a break. I would like to see him in a little more of an offensive role when it comes to passing from the low/high post. Swop is a great passer.

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by Card Shark on Jan 31, 2012 1:41 PM EST reply actions  

I'm Say'n,.... the 15-32 by Russ sticks out the most IMO. Russ does Russ things, so him taking mroe shots than anyone is something we've all resigned ourselves to living with.

But, he’s also getting to the line more than anyone else and 15-23 is not a good clip for a guard. BTW, that 15-32 in the chart is wrong,… he’s 15-23 over the last 5 games,… thus, the 65%

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by Chick-Stratino'sUrDaddy on Jan 31, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I posted some time ago about FT % and that I've not touched a BBall in almost a decade and would still shoot above 60%...

Picked up a basketball at my daughters practice the other day and wanted to see if I could back that up.
1st round 3/10 for 30%… (shot 10 in a row each set, so it may be a little skewed, but this set appalled me!).
Goofed around with my daughter and shot some threes and such
2nd round I went 7/10 for 70%… Much better, but still nothing based on my 1st round that convinced me that I could still back-up what I said in that post.
3rd and 4th rounds I went 8/10 each time. 26/40 when it was all said and done for 65% with basically the one outlier and I never played anything higher than rec league basketball. You’d think all these guys could shoot better at the FT line than they have, but hey, their percentages are improving, right?

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by 4ul4life on Feb 5, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

If I remember correctly, didn't Pitino say we were going to begin running our offense

through the pivot more? And didn’t he say that, oh, nine or ten games ago? I remember thinking right after hearing of that comment that, in the next game, Gorgui only took five shots. It’s like so many other things with coaches — sometimes they talk to say something that may be taken seriously; other times they simply talk because there’s a press conference and it’s expected of them.

This year, Pitino’s comments to the press seem more vacuous and vapid than usual. Or perhaps my comprehension levels are waning.

theoldman

by theoldman on Jan 31, 2012 3:09 PM EST reply actions  

I couldn't be happier with their play recently.

Also, these two are the future front-court of this program, so seeing them log these kinds of minutes together with a combined one year of experience means great chemistry for years to come. It’s exciting to think about, and I hope they both stay for four years.

by Get_In_My_BELLY_ on Jan 31, 2012 3:36 PM EST reply actions  

At the rate Gorgui is improving,

There is no chance he’ll stay for his Senior year. He’ll be a top 1-2 center in the 2013 draft if he continues to grow at this rate. If he hits the wall or there are some new phenoms out there, he might stay; but I’m doubting it.

Interestingly enough, I’d bet a major factor will be if he is on pace to graduate after 3 years + the summer. If not, his family might balk at him leaving early. They put a big premium on his education, so getting a degree is a requirement.

by Remote Cardinal on Jan 31, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with this

At first I thought now way, Gorgs seems to really value an education, but if he were in pace to graduate early I could definitely see it. Then again, I could also see him being the kind of guy to stay even if he had pretty high draft stock.

by LouisvilleSklardinalFAN02 on Jan 31, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

The "value on education".... go back and watch the video of when he was declared eligible.

He talked a length about how his family was blessed and that the most important thing to his father was that he get his degrees,… plural, degrees

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by Chick-Stratino'sUrDaddy on Jan 31, 2012 6:11 PM EST up reply actions  

He could always get degrees after the jump with the money he'll make in the NBA!

IDK though. I still hope he stays like he’s said he would. Definitely wouldn’t blame him if he left though.

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by 4ul4life on Feb 5, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Gorgui will stay until he graduates

Although he could, as LouisvileSkardinalFAN02 points out, graduate early. If so, I hope he stays at UofL for grad school.

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by rickmbari on Feb 1, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

post up

I think this article really tree ells you that as our 3pt % increases so will the looks for gorgs and chane

by jbwise on Jan 31, 2012 4:43 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Who is Gorshgee Shang?

oh wait, you’re talking about Gorge-y Ding.

by Jean Luc PiCard on Jan 31, 2012 5:38 PM EST reply actions  

Gore G. Dang

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by rickmbari on Feb 1, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

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