Andy Glockner calls Louisville top 10 program all-time, says fans have inferiority complex
by tdstout on Jan 30, 2012 12:11 PM EST
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PrintUnderstand that I wasn't following Glockner at the time. I simply saw the tweet via a retweet from someone I do follow...and then I saw a myriad of responses to Glockner. I also tweeted back that he simply didn't know the circumstances and he looked like a fool for it. Fair? I thought so.
Fast-forward to Saturday night when related tweets were still filling my timeline. One in particular grabbed my attention and the following dialogue ensued:
AG: Ha, Lville fans still not getting it. Now you're comparing yourselves to Baylor? LOL.
Me: No, Andy. YOU aren't getting it. Give up.
AG: You don't have to follow, you know....
Me: I don't. But, thanks for replying.
AG: If you want to have an honest convo about my points, hit me up. If you want to yell and namecall, have a good one.
Me: Who name called? U made fun of Lville fans for cheering a 3pt dagger on Nova by kid returning from major injury. Ur point?
AG: I asked a simple Q. Some Lville fans gave reasonable answers. Some acted like little brother caricatures. My point was ...That I don't get, globally, why Lville fans have such an inferiority complex. You have a top-10 program all-time. I never said "Don't cheer a big shot or a win." I just said the reax vs Nova seemed over the top for a modest win. But it's easier for Lville fans to warp the message and tweet nonsensical stuff, not even realizing I'm defending their program
Me: All fair, but you didn't realize the excitement was for THAT shot and WHO made it. Your comment came across condescendingly. And, it was a horribly officiated game and the shot to put it away was a relief to a crowd that had been on edge all game. Yes, it may have seemed over the top. But, there were circumstances I'm guessing you didn't know. And, any conf win is huge. Anyway, thx for explaining yourself. Still think it came across differently than you intended. Thus, the backlash. Fair?
AG: Sure, that's fair. Thanks for discussing.
I've also seen similar Twitter "discussions" between Mr. Glockner and our own Chick Stratino, among others. I do find it interesting that the guy cares enough about how the fans react to respond so thoroughly. Maybe he just doesn't have anything else to do. Wait. Maybe I don't have anything else to do. But, I digress
Develop your own takeaway from Glockner's comments. We know we have a top 10 program all-time. But, do we really have an inferiority complex?
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We're aware that we're a top ten program
It just blows my mind that Glockner acts like premier programs don’t celebrate big shots against average teams, and implies that golf-clapping is the proper reaction in such a situation. Look at how Rupp Arena exploded when John Wall hit a game-winner in the final minute against a bad Miami of Ohio team a few years ago. There are countless other examples.
Also, he continues to use “little brother” during every spiel, which is just blatant baiting.
by Mike Rutherford on Jan 30, 2012 12:18 PM EST reply actions
Exactly, and I'd like to see examples of Glockner mocking those other top-10 programs in similar scenarios
Should IU fans not be excited about beating a mediocre Iowa team because they are an all-time Top 10 (probably top 5) program? Or should they be ecstatic to break out of a difficult losing streak after a series of seasons when they missed the NCAA tournament?
The examples really could go on and on.
by cardsinindy2010 on Jan 30, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
Possibly disagree
By the above post only, I can see where he may have meant that in a somewhat positive way for the fanbase.
Some Lville fans gave reasonable answers. Some acted like little brother caricatures. My point was …That I don’t get, globally, why Lville fans have such an inferiority complex.
Keeping it within the context of the overall paragraph, I interpret him to mean “That defensiveness [by some] itself makes the little brother moniker self-fulfilling.”
Again, I’m only interpreting the above, not any other references he has made, as I don’t think I ever read his stuff.
I mean, yeah, that's definitely what he's saying
It’s just a point that could easily be made without using a term everyone knows the fan base doesn’t like.
by Mike Rutherford on Jan 30, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
I've made similar comments to Glockner's.
And, every single time I was 100% trying to bait someone.
Criticizing a celebration is ridiculous.The only exception is rushing the court/field-IMO, that’s a clear admission that the team you just beat is historically way better than you. (exception to the exception is the final game in freedom hall).
Maybe glockner should read some CC game threads. Half the comments are “I don’t care if we win or lose, we suck ass for this even being a game.”
by johnnyjoejohnson on Jan 30, 2012 12:45 PM EST reply actions
I agree completely thast rushing the court is a different thing altogether
And BTW was he at the game, cause I didn’t think that the crowd was that particularly fired up. The comeback against Marquette last year was insanity, and UConn game last year as well was very loud. But for the most part, that was us just “golf-clapping”.
I’ve heard the YUM twice as loud as Swop’s shot so for him to dog on us for that response just shows his ignorance. That is what it sounds like when 22,000 cheer simultaneously. He should get out of his mom’s basement and actually go to a few games before he opens his big tweet.
Apparently he's giving us (CC) a "shoutout" in his bubble watch this week
In all seriousness, I do appreciate his willingness to have discussions with ordinary fans, but the constant “little brother” jabs and things like that make it almost not worth it.
by Mike Rutherford on Jan 30, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
Yes. The discussions with him, Goodman, etc. are cool. But, I have to stop taking the bait.
I just like to win arguments. I’m guessing there’ll be an opportunity to not take the bait in this “shoutout” that’s forthcoming.
Stout Out!
What you say is true
But I have to ask this. If half the comments are “…we suck ass for this even being a game.” why are so many people who say that called haters?
Half was probably an exaggeration.
10% maybe? 5%? The loudest 5? The point is, we’re awesome enough that a sizable minority of our fans think our players suck even when we win BE road games and lead wire to wire.
In Glockner’s road, that’s how fanbases should act, apparently.
by johnnyjoejohnson on Jan 30, 2012 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with your 5-10% number but I would like to make an important distinction.
Many of us make the bulk of our comments on the things we think the team needs to do better, and often do not give ample credit to the things we do well. I guess as ardent fans of a perennially ranked team with 4 and 5 star recruits, we sort of expect them to perform relatively well and therefore don’t get too excited when they do just that. And when they do not perform well, we can be critical.
Another point is that the fan base here is pretty knowledgeable about the game. As such, they see more than just what happened, but also precisely how it happened and why it happened. Many CC’ers don’t just see the opponents score, they see a failure to switch, a missed blockout or a defensive mismatch. This better than average knowledge of the game, coupled with the passion that we have is what I enjoy most about the site. (And the humor too, of course.)
However, to me this is not at all the same as “thinking our players suck”. Speaking for myself, when I watch the games, I tend to focus on the things I think we can do better to improve. This is what nearly all coaches do. In fact, a very famous, Hall of Fame coach once specifically said that it was not his job to tell the players how great they were, but rather to identify the areas in which they needed to improve for the team to get better. I think this is similar to the approach many of our fans take. But again, that does not mean that we “think the team sucks”, and anyone who derives that opinion from this site, does the great majority of us a disservice. I will grant that there may be a few who are guilty of this. But to paint even a fraction of this group with that brush is simply not accurate.
by Carolina Cardinal on Jan 30, 2012 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
point taken.
I agree that my comment, and probably many before it, is an oversimplification that ignores the complexity of comments seen here.
by johnnyjoejohnson on Jan 31, 2012 9:08 AM EST up reply actions
Who is Andy Glockner?
Seriously, I don’t know.
by Chris Redman is my hero on Jan 30, 2012 1:01 PM EST reply actions
He's either TweedleDee or TweedleDum at SI
Seth Davis is the other. They are so relevant I forget which is which.
They don't have a TweedleDee.
They have TweedleDumb and TweedleDumber.
"I am willing to donate to the charity that is working on the prevention of whatever the hell Dick Vitale has." - noobmaster
I didn't know either, and found this
http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2011/12/16/q-a-with-sports-illustrateds-andy-glockner
World Cup over March Madness? Really?
Just to play devil's advocate
We do spend of lot of time griping about how we don’t get proper respect – the most recent example being just last month when many pundits – rightly, it turns out – remarked that Louisville was not truly the fourth best team. And to even engage Glockner is, in a way, to concede his point. I can admit that it’s reallyimportant to me that Louisville basketball get proper respect because it somehow impacts my self-understanding. It makes me mad, for instance, when I take sporcle quiz like, “Most NCAA tourney appearances” and fewer people respond Louisville than teams like Oklahoma or Stanford. We may indeed have an inferiority complex, but reall, what fans don’t?
I dont think we have an inferiority complex as a whole, altho
the uk/ul dynamic has always and will always solicit resposes from the ul fan base. certainly, individual resposes from ul fans (especially those that inacurately diminish uk’s historic success) do exhibit an inferiority complex. Yet the majority of our base’s contribution to the debate simply asserts our pride in our historic success independent of uk or any other team — which is clearly not indicative of an inferiority complex.
As much as the uk fanbase perpetually exhibits many of humanity’s most offensive traits, the uk/ul dynamic is a primary reason for college ball being so special to both fan bases and the state in general. UK fans are a constant reminder of who we are and who aren’t (and who we never want to be). Without such a rivalry between neighbors much of the passion dies for both teams. We define each other to a great extent, and that definition is one of the clearest reminders of why I want to be in red and black win or lose. To the extent we respond to the uk/ul discussion by asserting pride in who we are (rather than who uk is) than it is not an inferiority complex; but those who respond with delusional comments about uk’s historical record do exhibit an inferiority complex. The experience of being a UL and its culture has always felt like home to me and no amount of UK success could ever make being a member of their fan base look appealing.
by WindyCityCard on Jan 30, 2012 2:28 PM EST via Android app reply actions 3 recs
Most people are still pissed and stuck on the tweet.
The tweet was stupid. No denying that.
The question is, “do we as a fan base have an inferiority complex”?
Funny how the vast majority of posters totally avoided that question.
No fan base is made up of people who all feel the same of course, but I would have to say the answer for a substantial number of U of L fans is most definitely YES. There is an inferiority complex.
Even the U of L homer Tony Vanetti has said as much on many occasions.
Many people seem to think we cannot expect greatness of our program and our coach, or we are “like UK fans”.
Well Duke and North Carolina and Indiana and UCLA and Kansas fans all expect greatness out of their programs AND THEIR COACHES. Its not just UK. They are just more obnoxious due to their personal inferiority complexes.
For whatever reason many here are satisfied, and even defend, less than Top 10 performance.
Its nice that we are still considered Top 10. There is no doubt that if you look at the last 20 years we have been slowly sliding downward. Pitino was hired specifically to reverse that trend, and he has only slowed it slightly so far. We are still slipping.
Duke and UConn, once behind us, have now passed us by. Michigan St has argueably moved slighty ahead as well.
For some that is okay. For me it is not.
I DON"T have an inferiority complex. I am competitive, which is why a bitch so much about paying a coach the top pay in the nation to continue to slide.
you can make anything be about your dislike of Pitino
"I am willing to donate to the charity that is working on the prevention of whatever the hell Dick Vitale has." - noobmaster
You know, I posted some time ago how that WE ARE LOUISVILLE!!
We should expect Final Fours every 2- 3 years & a National Championship at the least every 10 years. Inferiority is just being happy with a “Sweet 16” year in & year out. We’re not Northwest Southeastern Podunk State. We are (in my opinion) a top 5 program and should have that kind of mentality. Not only should our fanbase expect that, but our Athletic Department and the UL Coaching Staff should expect the same! We should be more than what we are because we are to expect that. We have the finest facility in the world as OUR home court. We have a rich tradition, and great University. We should expect greatness because Louisville is greatness. We just need a Coach who’ll take that mentality. We are Louisville!!!
by ruralvillefan on Jan 31, 2012 9:09 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Andy is just a weenie-head. He uses the smiley more times than not.
Who care. We The Ville.
by GOCARDSATTITUDE on Jan 31, 2012 10:08 AM EST reply actions
Yes, I "discussed" the same issue with Mr. Glockner.....
This convo was a few days after I had already engaged him in a similar convo to what Tdstout had, and after Mike referenced him being an attention whore (my words not Mike’s)…….
AG: @cardchronicle You’re getting a link in Bubble Watch! It’s part of my ongoing campaign to take shots at passionate fan bases for attention.
(Glockner seemed annoyed that Mike had made this point in a post, but I’ll bet he loved the attention it got him)
Me: Well, you gotta go with what you’re good at, I guess?
(^^Eating dinner in a study room of the Library and entertaining myself)
AG: It’s funny that you and others think I care one whit about Louisville or any other team besides Penn. Flattering, I guess.
Me: Sorry, what? U don’t care “one whit” yet hv an opinion on how our fans should behave in a win, ect. U obviously care enough to comment.
AG: You mistake my caring about how Lville does or what fans think for doing my job, which is to provide my opinion. I think Lville should act like a big program and think its fans have an inferiority complex. Many disagree. That’s fine, no?
Me: That would be like me saying I don’t care “one whit” what some national writer from SI says about my team, no?
AG: Lville winning the natl title or missing the NCAAs makes no difference to me. That doesn’t mean I shouldn’t discuss them.
Me: I just think it’s funny how you don’t care “one whit”, yet make commentary on how fans react, ect? That statement makes no sense
AG: I just don’t like dishonest spin. I never said Lville fans shouldn’t cheer, but that’s the easy way to feed fan site frenzy. I think you should work on your own reading comprehension. It seems to be falling short here. Thanks.
(Again, a reference to, IMO, Mike calling him out in that post the other day. Also, he kind of insults me, which didn’t really bother me as much as it delighted me because I hadn’t done any such thing to him, and this was a sure sign that I was annoying him and he wanted to end the discussion with the “thanks.”)
Me: So thinking we fans should/ shouldn’t think something isn’t caring “one whit”,… Ok? Look up the definition of a whit& get back to me.
AG: Go back and read what I tweeted and get back to me.
ME: You didn’t say it, but you definitely implied we shouldn’t be excited, to now back-track and act like you didn’t is dishonest, no?
AG: I said I didn’t understand the over-the-top frenzy for beating the 12th place BE team. I’m happy to engage with fans, but at least critique me for what I said, not what fanboys claim I said.
(Again, here I felt like he was back peddling pretty fast, and if you haven’t figured it out yet about me,…. I can be persistent ass-hole sometimes.)
Me: Did you not insinuate that our fans weren’t acting appropriately when Swopshire sealed the Nova win with a three?
AG: I asked why they were so over-the-top excited for beating a bad team, yes. And I got some answers that made sense to a point. My overall implication (all season) is that Lville is a great all-time program and the fans don’t act that way sometimes. But people are too busy calling me an idiot to realize I’m actually supporting/defending Lville as a program. Then ppl compared it to Baylor vs Texas, when Baylor’s most notable basketball moment involves a player murder and cover-up
(Now, he sent me like 4 tweets in a row here, which is the equivalent of getting mad and typing in all caps, to me. I’ve always believed that in a discussion/ debate, if the other person gets mad or bent out of shape,…. just stop becuase you’ve already won/ made your point well enough. Now I’m satisfied that he knows he’s a douche and knows he was wrong for trying to call out our fans for being happy about a win/ good moment for Swop.)
Me: You win Andrew, you don’t care“one whit” Took me a while but you’ve definitely convinced me;-)
AG: Good, now we can go back to discussing the Cards civilly. :)
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