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I was in the process of writing about my trip to Chicago and Bloomington today, but I was side tracked with more injury news about Louisville basketball and I couldn’t hold off on writing about it anymore.

This whole situation has long since surpassed ridiculous. There is a Saturday Night Live sketch where Will Ferrell is playing James Lipton and Alec Baldwin is playing Charles Nelson Riley. In the Sketch Will Ferrell begins talking about how amazing the game show Match Game was, which Nelson Riley frequented. This of course brought about the famed word, “scrumtrulescent” to help describe its utter perfection.

Whatever the antonym of scrumtrulescent may be; that is what I, along with most Louisville fan’s feel about this insane rash of injuries.

Injuries are nothing new to the Louisville basketball program. From the fall of 2005 onward, it seems that each year at least one key contributor found themselves on the shelf. From 2005-2008 you could count on David Padgett and Juan Palacios finding ways to tear their knees apart, but those guys have been gone for years so everything should be back to normal, right?

Not even close. The last two years are unlike ANYTHING I have ever seen in sports. The amount of injuries that have occurred and some of the ways they have happened blow my mind. Sure, teams get bitte by the injury bug every year, but nothing like this. With what Louisville has endured injury wise in the last two years, it’s remarkable they have even done what they have.

Lets look at the 2010-11 Louisville injuries:

  1. Prior to last season ever starting Russ Smith was ruled out for 8-12 weeks with a broken foot. He also suffered from a concussion, a strained foot and a sore knee and saw very little action.
  2. Jared Swopshire injured his groin while jogging with his father. The injury was something generally only hockey players get. He missed the entire season.
  3. Mike Marra missed two games with a sprained ankle and two other games with back Spasms. The back pain slowed him until early February.
  4. Elisha Justice missed two games because of a concussion and another because of a bone bruise in his right leg.
  5. Gorgui Dieng missed five games with a concussion and neck strain. He was also limited in the Kentucky game because he stepped on a ball during warm-ups and turned his ankle. (Seriously?)
  6. Kyle Kuric missed two games because of a concussion.
  7. Stephan Van Treese was very limited for a couple of games because of a stomach virus.
  8. Rakeem Buckles missed the majority of the season suffering from a concussion, a broken finger and a torn ACL.
  9. Terrence Jennings missed several games with a hip pointer.
  10. Preston Knowles, the heart and soul of the team missed a game against DePaul with a hamstring injury. He also left the NCAA tournament game against Morehead St., which wound up resulting in a loss.

That’s a crazy long list. While that is a long enough list for a decades worth of injuries, there has been no signs of it slowing down, and may in fact, be worse than last season when it is all said and done.

  1. McDonalds All American freshman guard Wayne Blackshear injured his shoulder during a practice prior to the exhibition in Chicago last spring. He was unable to practice until late October. He was on the court for one inter-squad scrimmage and the following practice he tore his labrum and has yet to make his season debut.
  2. Rakeem Buckles missed 9 of the first 10 games this season while still recovering from his torn ACL from last February. He tore his ACL in his other knee on Monday afternoon against Marquette and is now out for the remainder of the year and likely all of next season.
  3. Stephan Van Treese has only played in three games thus far due to a knee injury.
  4. Mike Marra tore his ACL in the second game of the season. He is out for the year.
  5. Elisha Justice has missed several games due to a concussion and other lingering issues.
  6. I’m not even sure why but Tim Henderson was injured for a solid stretch prior to returning against DePaul.
  7. Russ Smith missed a game because he had a sore neck from sleeping on it the wrong way.
  8. Peyton Siva has suffered a concussion and a sprained ankle. He only missed one game but has hardly been able to practice, which has shown in his game.
  9. Elisha Justice missed several games recovering from a concussion
  10. Jared Swopshire has played all season but will likely never be the same player he was prior to his groin injury. He lost a lot of muscle and was never exactly thick to begin with.
  11. Kyle Kuric has missed the last two games with a high ankle sprain. He also toughed through a slight knee injury early in the season.
  12. Freshman Kevin Ware was ineligible until the semester break. He has played ok since he came in however he injured his knee today in practice.

The topic of Pitino running the kids too hard has come up often this season and I find it kind of absurd. Pitino has continually expressed his frustration with this topic and quite frankly, I don’t blame him. While I may not agree with every move Pitino has made over the years on and off the court, there is no arguing that he is one of the best in college basketball right now.

This is big time college basketball we’re talking about. These kids know what they are getting into when they come to schools such as Louisville. It is a full time job and you also have to go to school and if you can’t handle it then there are plenty of programs where you won’t work near as hard, but you also won’t succeed at a high level.

Part of succeeding in sports is working tirelessly to get better. In this case, part of this tireless work is in the classroom and the 20 hours of practice time a week will be beyond exhausting. If it weren’t then these kids would actually have a better chance of getting hurt because they would not be properly conditioned.

These injuries the last two years have been nothing but freak accidents. Peyton Siva and Elisha Justice are wearing helmets in practice just to try and limit another concussion. You know it’s tough luck when a player sits out because he slept on his neck funny.

I have no idea why these injuries keep happening, but it is not because of the practice habits. In fact, this team can’t even practice the way they want because of the injuries which is certainly a huge factor behind them loosing five of the last seven games. When near half of the team has or was at one time injured this year, it’s virtually impossible to both build chemistry together and to properly practice a five on five scenario.

The news of Rakeem Buckeles tearing his other ACL following Monday night’s game against Marquette was crushing. The kid had just battled all the way back from the same injury in his other knee and now has to start all over again. Reports today of Kevin Ware injuring his knee was simply salt in the wound. Luckily it seems as though he won’t miss any game time.

This season has been so up and down with injuries I’m not even worried about it anymore. Obviously I want them to win every time they step on the floor, but realistically that will not and cannot happen with all of these issues. I am past the point of even being mad about it anymore. I just feel bad for these kids.

These kids give everything they have to Louisville basketball for however long they are part of the team, and to see this happen just doesn’t seem fair. To be clear, I am not intending to say other teams would be more deserving of these injuries. No team or fan base should have to deal with all of this.

These injuries for Louisville are simply bad luck. They are NOT the product of practice habits and they are NOT karma. Lets just hope whether or not these kids are going to be able to play this year, next year, or even farther down the road, they can stay healthy. Here’s also hoping no other teams, coaching/training staffs, or fan bases have to know what this type of stretch feels like.

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There are plenty of articles which state that over conditioning or choosing unrealtically low body fat percentages can lead to problems. The WHAS Radio Sports Pit has a series of stories posted today as to how Pitino may, and I stress may, be at odds with experts over his views on conditioning and the problems they can create.

http://www.whas.com/pages/Sports_Pit.html

by Whacker77 on Jan 18, 2012 6:09 PM EST reply actions  

The study I want someone to put together (I don't have the time)

Is Pitino’s track record with injuries at Louisville BEFORE last year. I know Padgett had knee issues before he even got here, and I know about Ellis and Palacios, but I don’t really remember us having a lot of injuries as a team. To me, that would seem to be evidence that Pitino doesn’t “work the kids too hard” (unless he’s changed practice habits, which I have no reason to believe he has.)

by Chris Redman is my hero on Jan 18, 2012 7:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't believe a word of it.

Some intern at WHAS? Really? Its nonsense. He doesn’t cite a single study. He doesn’t cite a single “medical professional.”

We live in a powerful information age. Bryan the Intern needs to learn you can’t trust everything you read on the internet. Hell, Clay Ables posts shit on the internet. Read something that’s peer reviewed.

I don’t know sports medicine, but if its anything like any other science, then there’s a whole lot of BS that we “know” and then there’s a whole lot of stuff that’s been tested.

A quick google search will tell you that periodization aims to prevent muscle injuries, not broken bones, ankle sprains, or torn ACLs, as he suggests.

by johnnyjoejohnson on Jan 18, 2012 9:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Bull.

Remember the Beef Bowl!

by HorsePig55 on Jan 20, 2012 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I partially agree

I don’t think that it’s any specific practicing or running, and it’s definitely not karma (let’s just be real), and Pitino is one of the best coaches around but you can’t ignore the statistical data/aspect of the situation. I’m not proposing an answer, but I dont think it’s ridiculous with the un real amount/frequency of injuries these teams have experienced to question whether there are factor/factors that may be contributing other than simply “bad luck”. Whether it be exercise/lifting/conditioning/bad nutrition or God knows what else, the amount of injuries has seemingly surpassed the point of a statistical anomaly or coincidence.

by LouisvilleSklardinalFAN02 on Jan 18, 2012 6:14 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

But

I do think that there is definitely an element of very very very bad luck mixed in as well

by LouisvilleSklardinalFAN02 on Jan 18, 2012 6:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

well said

Finally somebody with some sense

"As long as we win, I couldn't care less; my average can go down to four points and zero rebounds. As long as we win, I don't care."
- P!K

by J!B on Jan 18, 2012 6:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Great post!

It’s very frustrating to hear about another injured player every day, but blaming the coach is not going to help.

by cardcorefan on Jan 18, 2012 6:24 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Excellent Post

Happy to hear some good solid reasoning.

by coobay123 on Jan 18, 2012 6:35 PM EST reply actions  

I guess it could be bad luck

ie coincidence. Plenty of teams bust their asses working out and many sports are much more physical than basketball and players done blow their knees out every week.

So it’s probably not over conditioning. BUT if this is all bad luck statistically it can’t continue for much longer. This stuff continues to happen next year, I don’t care what anybody says its something related to our program. Maybe casual gamer reed poisoned our Gatorade. Who knows.

by Jason G on Jan 18, 2012 7:37 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

It could be technique related too.

Sports which require weight training (e.g. football/wrestling) probably have more knowledgeable people overseeing said weight training and techniques. Additionally, athletes in those kinds of sports also start weight training from highschool or sooner… I don’t remember ever seeing my highschool’s BBall team in the gym w/the exception of multi-sport athletes who also liked the gym or staying fit.
IMO, I also damaged my knees For recreational BBall doing squats for baseball when I started lifting in highschool. Most likely due to improper technique amd locking out the knees. We were turned loose on the gym and I didn’t know any better. I’d think examples such as this would be unthinkable in college athletics and especially a program like Louisville Basketball, but it could be possible – even if very minute… Nah, couldn’t be. Not here… right?!
There does have to be some other explanations other than just bad luck though. Has to be.

GO! CARDS!
BEAT!
PURDUE!

by 4ul4life on Jan 18, 2012 8:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

F'ing phone...

Hell, if I was TJ, there would be some OSHA level type inspectors that specialize in Kinesiology/Orthopedics/ (FUDGE, even Neuroscientists to reduce concussions) evaluating any and all activities being executed by UofL Baskeball Players (to include sleep studies) to minimize this crap. It’s getting out of hand!

GO! CARDS!
BEAT!
PURDUE!

by 4ul4life on Jan 18, 2012 8:41 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Another way of thinking about it is:

What are the chances of this happening to any D1 school two years in a row? Probably close to 100%. Why does it have to be us is another question entirely.

by johnnyjoejohnson on Jan 18, 2012 10:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I still refuse to believe that his "practice habits" and how much he conditions his players is why they get injured.
  • He legitimately worked his players harder at Prov& UK than he ever could here because of the new NCAA rules.
  • He never had a rash of injuries like this before now
  • His practice habits have never been put into question until now

I don’t know what it is, but I refuse to believe that suddenly after years of coaching at the highest levels his methods are mysteriously getting players hurt. I don’t believe in luck….. good or bad. Luck is when preparation meets opportunity and you take advantage of the opportunity because you are prepared to do so.

There is no “bad luck” and there is no magical voodoo doll tucked away under a prison mattress causing all these injuries. You wanna say it’s Karma? Fine, keep believing that shit but that’s not how Karma works.

Karma doesn’t make other people’s lives miserable, and certainly doesn’t hurt innocent people like Marra, Blackshear, or Buckles, to punish one person’s misdeeds.

You wanna believe in any of that crap then fine, but I believe you play the way you practice and we’ve seen more evidence this year that a the LACK of practice is causing shitty play than anything to the contrary. This line of logic flies into the face of anything remotely resembling reason.

Rick is open to criticism for beign a stubborn old Italian man who won’t change the way he wants to do things. He’s open to criticism for not landing “big time” top10 recruits. He’s open to criticism for his personal conduct and his lack of tournament success. But blaming him and his “practice habits” for what has happened to a bunch of good hearted/ kind/ caring/ innocent kids is about the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard.

And before you ask,… no, I don’t have an answer for why this has happened. Sometimes in life, it just is what it is. Sometimes bad shit happens to good people and there’s no real explanation for it. Sometimes people just have to deal with it instead of having some glaring/ obvious reason for why it happened.

Good post,… peace

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by Chick-Stratino'sUrDaddy on Jan 18, 2012 8:08 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

IDK, and haven't read this completely yet, but

In my profession, supervisors often want you to do stuff that we often equate to stuffing 20 lbs of kaka into a 5 lb paper bag…
Coach P could be cramming more practice than realistically feasible into those 20 hrs…

Before he was able to extend practices until his goals were met. Now, he could be trying to cram well over 20 hrs of practice into the 20 hrs alloted.

GO! CARDS!
BEAT!
PURDUE!

by 4ul4life on Jan 18, 2012 8:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

additionally

The rediculous BMI/body fat shit he requires means these guys have to do extra work on their own – GUARANTEED. Not to mention possibly dieting and not getting all the required nutrients. Just another thought.

GO! CARDS!
BEAT!
PURDUE!

by 4ul4life on Jan 18, 2012 8:54 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

BMI for a 19 year old kid is nothing, additionally... if they're getting their asses kicked for 20 solid hours/ week...

I can almost gauruntee that if they’re working on their own to shed fat it’s not gonna be nearly as tough as what they go through in practice. Most likely sauna, bike, tread mill time.

Someone show me a study that says a low BMI makes you more injury prone and I’ll start buying this theory, immediately.

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by Chick-Stratino'sUrDaddy on Jan 18, 2012 9:10 PM EST up reply actions  

20 hours of physical activity= 20 hrs of physical activity. You can't go balls to the wall for the whole 20hrs, that would leave no time to practice specific plays/sets for the opposing team's system.

Most of the time you’re playing at least 2 games/ week. That’s just too much to preparation that can’t be gone through at full speed,… all the time

Fool's names are like their faces, often seen in public places.

by Chick-Stratino'sUrDaddy on Jan 18, 2012 9:06 PM EST up reply actions  

They must go "Balls to the wall" for 20hrs straight,

cause judging by their half court game, they don’t practice specific plays/sets

by cardchomp on Jan 18, 2012 9:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Thank you.

Rec’d.

"I am willing to donate to the charity that is working on the prevention of whatever the hell Dick Vitale has." - noobmaster

by rickmbari on Jan 18, 2012 9:22 PM EST reply actions  

Like I said,.. you can bash him for plenty of things but I don't think this is one of them.

You could make the argument that….

#1. There’s not enough “Elite” talent on the roster to make up for the losses (which is honestly pretty weak since I don’t think there are many teams that could make up for all the losses)

#2. You could make the argument that he didn’t play the younger guys enough when the injuries started happening, which was pretty early.

#3. You could make the argument that he hasn’t adjusted in the right ways to keep winning (see explanation for weakness of #1).

People are mostly frustrated by the lack of what they perceive as a lack of success over the last few years ie: recruiting, regular season 2yrs ago, and tournament for the last two years. Those frustrations are all justified and I feel them too.

I just think it’s wrong to blame serious injuries to good people on someone because you’re frustrated with their overall performance. But, at the same time I don’t think you can put this year in a vacuum and forgive away what has been a very lack-luster couple of years when this one is shaping up to be the worst of the three. Injuries or not,.. Louisville fans deserve better than the results they got the last 2 seasons, and what it looks like they’re gonna get this year.

Fool's names are like their faces, often seen in public places.

by Chick-Stratino'sUrDaddy on Jan 18, 2012 9:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I loved last year.

That’s the most exciting team I’ve ever followed in college basketball. The Morehead game didn’t undo the season.

by Loouhvul on Jan 18, 2012 10:07 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Amen and rec'd

"I am willing to donate to the charity that is working on the prevention of whatever the hell Dick Vitale has." - noobmaster

by rickmbari on Jan 18, 2012 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Didn't undo it for me either. It was a dam shame it happened but I'll always have a special place in my heart for that team.

That said, there are plenty of people who did feel like the season was “undone” for them and they’re entitled to feel that way.

That season was awesome, but it was also the second year in a row that we got bounced in the 1st round and you’ve got to take that into account when talking about legit vs. not legit gripes about Pitnio.

Lack of tourney success= legit
Buckles hurting his knee= not legit

Fool's names are like their faces, often seen in public places.

by Chick-Stratino'sUrDaddy on Jan 19, 2012 12:43 AM EST up reply actions  

You're the one who said

“Louisville fans deserve better than the results they got the last 2 seasons” and “I don’t think you can … forgive away what has been a very lack-luster couple of years” and “Louisville fans deserve better than the results they got the last 2 seasons.”

It is a matter of opinion whether I’ve “got” to take into account people who agree with that “when talking about legit vs. not legit gripes about Pitino.”

Gripes about last year are not “legit” in my opinion, and I’m entitled to it, and I’m a “Louisville fan.” I request that you at least take into account that “some” Louisville fans are not “griping” but remain supportive. I think “you’ve” got to take that into account. Your blanket generalizations don’t do that.

My heart may be breaking for these kids, but negativity will never cure the problem, and certainly acting as if last year was an abuse of the fanbase (when it most certainly was not, Morehead or no Morehead) is unfair as well as inaccurate.

by Loouhvul on Jan 19, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Deserve?

Let’s be honest. We don’t DESERVE anything. But we want more. Pitino owes US nothing.

by TCUCard on Jan 19, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions  

For what we pay him, what we're paying for the YUM!, and what we expect our program to be,... I think we do deserve better.

Symantics really,…. we should all want more. But I disagree. Pitino owes us a lot; especially the way he was forgiven by the administration/ some fans after what happened.

If you ask me he’s the one who’s lucky to have us, not the other way around. He could’ve very easily lost one of the best jobs in the game over Sypher. When you get paid like he does, you’re expected to deliver more than he has.

When you get paid like he does, and have the suppor/ resources he has at his disposal, the goal should be to compete for a championship every year.

Not “we live to make the tournament” like he said in his coaches show. If that’s what we’ve fallen to then our goals are mid-major.

Fool's names are like their faces, often seen in public places.

by Chick-Stratino'sUrDaddy on Jan 19, 2012 9:34 PM EST up reply actions  

You pay Pitino?

UofL pays Pitino to coach its man’s basketball team. You pay to watch them play. You don’t pay Pitino to win games, and he doesn’t owe you championships.

"I am willing to donate to the charity that is working on the prevention of whatever the hell Dick Vitale has." - noobmaster

by rickmbari on Jan 22, 2012 9:31 AM EST up reply actions  

It didn't "undo" the season for me and I had a great time watching it.

But it doesn’t take away the fact that we’ve been out in the 1st round 2 years in a row.

You can still enjoy the ride and not be satisfied with the end result, no?

I don’t think you would find anyone who didn’t enjoy the hell out of last year; just like I don’t think you would find anyone who has been satisfied with the bitter way the season ended

Fool's names are like their faces, often seen in public places.

by Chick-Stratino'sUrDaddy on Jan 19, 2012 9:29 PM EST up reply actions  

So, I finally got of my lazy ass and plugged "overuse and injury and basketball" into google scholar

it sounds like an “overuse” injury is defined as something like muscle or ligament soreness, but not what we’d refer to as a freak accident (they call this an acute injury). So, for example, an ACL tear is not an overuse injury. But, strangely, Russ’ neck injury could have been. So, how many of the injuries have been acute vs. overuse?

1) Wayne:Acute
2) Rak:Acute
3) SVT: could be either, I don’t know what he did.
4) Sexy Bullet: Acute
5) Marra: Acute
6) Hendo: No idea
7) Russ: Overuse, maybe?
8) Siva: Acute
9) Sexy Bullet: Wait, What?
10) Swop: Acute
11) Kuric: Acute
12) Ware: Could be either, I don’t know.

This doesn’t rule out the explanation that pitino exposes his players to acute risk by making them practice more. But, (a) our two most significant injuries happened during games, (b) there are limits on how much anyone can practice, and © grow a fucking sack, you sissy.

When we talk about overtraining causing injuries, we’re basically saying that because his players practice hard, Pitino’s players are more likely to pivot wrong, or step on an opposing players foot and twist an ankle. I didn’t see any evidence of overtraining leading to acute injuries.

by johnnyjoejohnson on Jan 18, 2012 9:43 PM EST reply actions  

Number 8 should read

Siva: So baby.

Also, no one made a “acute” joke. C’mon, dudes…

ALL HAIL

by Cardinal_Pride on Jan 19, 2012 1:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Just a thought or another theory,

It sounded like before the additional practices prior to the Bahamas trip I seem to remember reading quotes from Siva and Kuric talking about how Russ was going HAM in the SAC and looking good preparing for his desired role at the 2 spot. Now I know Russ in particular hasn’t had any major setbacks aside from a sleeping disorder, but I wonder if everyone else who has suffered injuries this season (to knees in particular) were working so hard in the offseason on their own and picked up some bad habits. Am I making sense? Like if they were doing something in particular, repetitively, and the coaching staff wasn’t present to correct their form or something. Russ seems to play one way (erratic) and the coaching staff doesn’t seem to want to fool with changing that so he seems less likely to get injured. There seemed to be a lot of pressure on these guys for dominance this year and I wonder if playing basketball non-stop since the debacle against Morehead could be making them buckle at the knees now.
pun intended

by cardchomp on Jan 18, 2012 9:54 PM EST reply actions  

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"I am willing to donate to the charity that is working on the prevention of whatever the hell Dick Vitale has." - noobmaster

by rickmbari on Jan 18, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

really?

that’s okay, I didn’t make it to Wednesday Afternoon Notes yet and it was already posted there.

by cardchomp on Jan 18, 2012 10:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it's ironic that the ad above this post

is about meniscus injuries. Even the internet is against us.

by nyltiak22 on Jan 18, 2012 11:40 PM EST reply actions  

might not be ironic

I don’t know which ad service I’m blocking with my web browser, but some of them have pretty sophisticated algorithms for picking what ads they show. If there’s a lot of content on the site dealing with injuries, they assume people on the site are interested in that topic and they run related ads. Could also be why we you who don’t use an ad blocker wind up seeing ads having to do with a certain school down the road. Those ads are telling us we talk about the puddy tats too much.

"I am willing to donate to the charity that is working on the prevention of whatever the hell Dick Vitale has." - noobmaster

by rickmbari on Jan 19, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Talked about the injuries with a coworker tonight

and she said what I had just started thinking earlier today. Should we be looking at the trainers? I think, in Buckle’s case, maybe we should. I think I’ve heard that someone who tears their ACL becomes more likely to tear their other one, because rehab is really focused on the injured leg. After a little very light reading, I saw that after an ACL tear, that ligament should actually be stronger than before. So if you want to look at the bright side, Rakeem should basically have robot legs by the time he’s able to play again. Or maybe like Henry’s arm in Rookie of the Year.

Not trying to start the blame game and if anything I’ve said here is untrue, feel free to set me straight. But not on the robot legs. That is true.

One last thing that I’m pretty pissed about… I bought the “Louisville always Buckles up” shirt this summer in preparation of his triumphant return. Why the fuck did this have to happen? I guess I can wear it in memory and use it as motivation to work on the parts of my fandom that aren’t as strong. Maybe like learning more about football.

This was long-winded. Apologies.

ALL HAIL

by Cardinal_Pride on Jan 19, 2012 2:08 AM EST reply actions  

We can rebuild him

We have the technology.

"I am willing to donate to the charity that is working on the prevention of whatever the hell Dick Vitale has." - noobmaster

by rickmbari on Jan 19, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Absurd

“While I may not agree with every move Pitino has made over the years on and off the court, there is no arguing that he is one of the best in college basketball right now”.

REALLY? You lost all credibitly with this statement. The truth is that the facts of his track record taken as a whole over the last decade simply does not back this up. At least not to the point of him being paid between top five to #1 during that time. He is performing well below top ten on average.

Can you get me some of what you are smoking?

Bad luck huh?

Why is it that when the football team was struggling and recruitng was going badly nobody had a moments hesitation to lay the blame at Kragthorpe’s feet, but when the basketball team is struggling and recruitng is less than it should be for a school of Louisville’s basketball stature, it is not Pitino’s fault at all?

Any decent basketball coach should be able to do what Pitino is doing at Louisville. Football here is MUCH tougher to build up.

Why do so many feel the need to kiss Pitino’s ass while they did not hesitate for a second to throw Kragthorpe under the bus?

It is because he won an NC at UK? That’s great…for UK.

Remember how everybody bashed Kragthorpe because he never took responsiblity on himself for what was happening? But Pitino gets a fee pass to do THE SAME THING. In fact posts like this just support blaming anyone and everyone but him….including “bad luck”. What a crock.

Its like a lot of people are in a state of denial and just do not want to accept he has become a bust of a hire.

WHY?

Do you love the bullshit sandwiches he serves up year after year that much????

by scorpiocard on Jan 19, 2012 11:31 AM EST reply actions  

Correction Scorpio, he lost credibility with *you*

You don’t speak for everyone, so you cannot accurately state he ‘lost all credibility.’

In fact, I daresay that since you opted to compare Kragthorpe and Pitino, you might try that credibility-loss statement on yourself and see if most don’t agree.

by 97E3LPL on Jan 19, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Nicely said.

It never ceases to amaze me that the negativity merchants on this site presume that “everyone” agrees with them. Just because those of us who don’t agree don’t have the time or energy to respond to every negative post, doesn’t mean we agree.

If I wanted to read this sort of abuse of the Cards, I’d trot on over to a Kentucky board. It’s emotionally exhausting to read attacks on our kids, our team, and our coach. The adversity this year would have thrown anyone – even SC’s mythical supercoach – for a loop. Oh, oops, I forgot – last season also stank, and Pitino’s causing all the injuries anyway.

GOD.

by Loouhvul on Jan 19, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

+1

It’s gotten to the point where, after any bad news – missing a recruit, losing a game, an injured player, failure to cover the spread, anything that can even be spun as a negative – I dread coming to CC because I know of all the negativity I’m going to be exposed to. I still read Mike’s posts and some of the fan posts, but others I just click to so it will stop telling me there are new comments there, then go back to the front page.

There are individuals here who claim they don’t hate Pitino, but spend 90% of their energy tearing him down. It gets old.

Always with the negative vibes, Moriarty…

"I am willing to donate to the charity that is working on the prevention of whatever the hell Dick Vitale has." - noobmaster

by rickmbari on Jan 19, 2012 2:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Personally, I thought Kragthorpe should have been given another year.

Does that help or hurt my credibility. haha. seriously though, I lost a little faith in myself after that one.

by johnnyjoejohnson on Jan 19, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Same old same old scorpio.

You never are around to support the team but are here immediately to bash the coach. That’s not a true fan (from what you show the public).

Please, nobody will miss you…

Remember the Beef Bowl!

by HorsePig55 on Jan 20, 2012 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

i think we

Are practicing on an ancient indian burial ground

by Cardfan63 on Jan 19, 2012 2:16 PM EST reply actions  

Kevin Ware's injury

I heard this injury happened in practice on the team’s day off. Did I misunderstand this?

by cardsnation on Jan 19, 2012 7:15 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks for that clarification!

Everything I saw said it happened Wednesday, which was their day off. That makes more sense that it happened earlier in the week.

by cardsnation on Jan 20, 2012 1:52 AM EST up reply actions  

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