Providence Deals Louisville Humiliating 90-59 Loss
I debated not saying anything until tomorrow, but I suppose that wouldn't be fair.
I know it's impossible to accurately gauge your present emotions in relation to how you felt at a previous moment in time, but I'm not sure I've ever been more embarrassed to be a Louisville basketball fan.
The Western Carolina loss a couple of years ago was atrocious, but it was in December and U of L was unexpectedly playing without a pair of injured starters. The Notre Dame loss in '09 was technically worse than this Providence defeat, but the Fighting Irish would have beaten anyone on that night, and I also never once remember thinking that those group of Cardinals gave up or didn't care.
I can't say the same for what just took place.
I have no idea what has happened over the past three weeks, but suddenly these guys don't appear to be having any fun, they don't appear to particularly enjoy playing with one another and, quite frankly, they don't appear to be very good.
Three weeks ago, Rick Pitino said he was having more fun coaching than at any other point in his career. One day ago, Pitino said this team was in a hole, but that there was "no other team he'd rather fight out of a hole with than this one." Tonight, I saw a team that didn't celebrate after made baskets, that didn't help each other up when one of them hit the floor and that didn't bother to compete after taking a shot to the jaw in the first half.
Let's get this out of the way right now: the talk of firing Pitino in January or him being on the hot seat is absurd. We've all seen what the man's been able to do in February over the past four years. That alone should be more than enough reason to put down the torches and pitchforks. Having said that, I must admit that it doesn't feel like there's that quick fix out there waiting to be found like there has been in year's past.
I think the reason it's so hard to locate a potential solution right now is that the current problem is equally difficult to ascertain.
How the hell did this team end up in this position?
Louisville just lost to what appears to be the worst team in the conference by 34 points. They are in the easiest portion of their Big East schedule and they're currently 1-3. They've gone from a fun-loving group eager to outwork opponents in every facet of every game to....whatever it was we just watched.
The best part about having Rick Pitino at Louisville has been that his teams have never been outworked. I've always taken great pride in that, because it's a feeling I didn't have watching some of those teams in the late '90s. Thinking that you care more than the players is a pathetic feeling, and one I haven't had (in basketball) since Pitino took over in 2001.
For the first time in more than a decade, the painful thought crept into the back of my mind Tuesday night.
It was painfully apparent when Russ Smith made his debut appearance on the court in the second half that he was upset. He jacked up a bad shot, didn't try on defense, threw a ball away without seeming particularly concerned, jacked up another shot and was promptly pulled out of the game for the last time. I'm not sure what sparked the rift between he and Pitino, but it was very obvious at the end of the game when the two were talking that something happened.
Then there were little things, like Kevin Ware not coming over to help a teammate lying on the ground virtually right next to him. Those things matter. Those things are the reason the 2010-2011 Louisville Cardinals finished fourth in the Big East and played for the conference championship inside Madison Square Garden. That team graduated a two-star recruit. This team brought in four (healthy) top 100 players. To me, that speaks volumes.
Before anything else - the shooting, the perimeter defense, the fouls - is addressed, this team needs to right its attitude and its mentality. If it doesn't, then this won't be the last embarrassment of the season.
UPDATE: Rick Pitino's postgame comments:
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Rick Pitino...he's not Steve Kragthorpe
Should be his new motto
Disgusting
Pathetic. Embarrassing. I wish someone would please explain why RP is so damn stubborn. 2-3 defense played right into Providence’s hands and let them run down the clock on almost every possession and gave up so many 3s. I screamed at the TV: guard Cotton already! Box and 1? Man to man? What happened to our changing defenses that we started out the year with? Siva is on Planet X. I hope RP figures this one out, but I, for one, am very discouraged.
i agree. that zone is whack as hell. we needed to go out there and press the living crap out of providence
You have to make shots to set up a press.
by James Sutherland on Jan 11, 2012 12:41 AM EST up reply actions
ok true but at least play some man to man. all providence did was sit out there and run clock
ALL GAME! limiting possessions, shortening the game, and that KILLED US!
What happened to that zone/man hybrid
they played so much at the start of the season, the defense that had the opponent eating up clock while they deciphered what D they were seeing?
by Unseld2Beard on Jan 11, 2012 6:37 AM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure we have the quickness for a good man to man
We may be short, but we’re slow!
I share your feeling, that was awful!
However, now we know what has to happen for Coach to call Angel into the game.
This team has never been in synch, fighting back to win against lesser opponents, and now the fight is gone too? Please Mr. Serling, let me out of here, I don’t like it in the Twilight Zone.
by Unseld2Beard on Jan 11, 2012 6:34 AM EST up reply actions
Someone find the Monstars and get our talent back.
Stout Out!
by tdstout on Jan 10, 2012 10:21 PM EST via mobile reply actions 4 recs
Embarrassed and worried.....
There is a cancer on this team, and my hunch is that is has to to with Ware. I have never ever liked the drama surrounding this young man, and for the last 4-5 games that he has played, he looked like a square peg in a round hole.
My 2nd hunch is with Russ Smith. Ever since the UK game, and his 30 point outburst this team has look disjointed.
Street ball does not fit this team, and I feel that Pitino is much likke Terry Francona of the Red Sox right now. His team is spiraling out of control, and Im not sure he knows how to regain control.
And to watch him on the sideline tonight….. something is eating at him and his early burst of anger an T tonight set the tone. He gave up.
His team quit on him. They quit on us. Our Cards are in disarray, and Im not so sure that Pitino has the tools to pulll teams together….just not sure that he or the players have the will to do so
Color me Embarassed and very worried
You hit the nail on the head
The season is far from over, but this game is definetly cause for alarm. Im surprised you were able to write an intelligent post. I honestly can’t put my emotions into words right now
by Cards86 on Jan 10, 2012 10:22 PM EST via mobile reply actions
You know its bad
When you make a comment on the UofL FB page about 75% of the team being abducted by aliens in the last 2 weeks and UofL likes it..
They need to figure this funk out and fast..
I am done with my graceless heart
So tonight I'm gonna cut it out and then restart
Mike,
True and True
If the team is reading this,
Please put your differences aside. Let’s man up and show the conference we aren’t a bunch of bitches. You get four years to play hoops and if you are extremely lucky you get to play for money after that. You guys better start thinking about the opportunities you have here and make the best of them. Being a UofL basketball Cardinal is a privilege. If you want to screw around go play intramurals!
Is Bryce Cotton still considering Louisville?!
Please?
by Cards86 on Jan 10, 2012 10:24 PM EST via mobile reply actions
It's gonna suck when Chicken does this to us
#bringcottonchickentothebucket!
by PS3theFuture on Jan 10, 2012 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
Best recent non-get recruit
Chicken Cotton?
by Unseld2Beard on Jan 11, 2012 6:38 AM EST up reply actions
Absurd to want a new coach?
Honestly…will you really miss him once he eventually is gone…the BS..the blaming everyone but him…relying on mid-major transfers and walk-ons, the condescending treatment of the press the few times he ever gets challenged, one final four in 11 years even though he makes the most money and has the best facillities to recruit with, the poor recruiting decisions, the sex scandal. Aren’t you tired of it?
by GlavCard on Jan 10, 2012 10:28 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Stop making so much sense
You’ll upset RP’s loafer licking minions.
by scorpiocard on Jan 10, 2012 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know what to say anymore
This may end up parroting Mike/get lost in the shuffle but I just want to get some stuff off my chest.
I’m embarassed to be a Louisville fan right now. It’s gotten so bad UK fans have actually asked what the fuck is going on with our team. I don’t know if the problem is with Ware, with Pitino, with Senior Leadership, or something else, but it’s blatantly obvious to everyone that this team is not right. I know it’s still early, but this is beginning to look like a lost season. One of the more heartening things tonight was seeing Bullet, Hendo, and Nunez work their asses off when they got in the game. If a Louisville team doesn’t win because they’re just not good enough? Fine, I can accept that. If a Louisville team quits, you’re not just letting your teammates down, you’re letting the rest of us down. I don’t say this to pour added pressure on the guys (if any of you are read…Hey Mrs. Henderson!), but I wish they knew how we feel.
It’s time to play for what is on the front of the Jersey. I know what it’s like to not like people you work with, but you’ve got to put your differences aside. We know you’re all better than this, we know what you guys are capable of, and I think that there is some tiny hope you guys will turn it around and give us all the season we had hoped for. If not, at least go down swinging.
by Chris Redman is my hero on Jan 10, 2012 10:28 PM EST reply actions
We had 5 guys playing for themselves against Notre Dame. Tonight we had 5 guys playing against each other.
by chango on Jan 10, 2012 10:29 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I was in attendance tonight
And on the (long) drive back to Boston, I was telling my wife literally exactly what I just read from Mike above: I was embarrassed to be wearing my Louisville shirt and embarrassed that I cared so much about this team. I’ve worn my Cards gear into all kinds of hostile arenas and walked out proud, even when we lost. But this was something different.
I was watching eye contact and body language among the players/coaches, and what Mike wrote above showed up even more in person. Players weren’t talking. When they did talk to each other, they seemed to be bitching at each other.
And even when they weren’t bitching, no one was making eye contact. I saw Peyton trying to give some guidance to Chane — putting his arm around him, generally being brotherly — and Chane literally turned his head and shoulders away from Peyton while Peyton was talking to him. Chane couldn’t walk away fast enough.
That kind of interaction happened over and over among the players.
I’m still (strangely) not entirely hopeless about the future. Sometimes strange miracles happen once you realize that you’ve reached rock bottom. But this had better be the motherfucking bottom.
by BostonCardFan on Jan 10, 2012 10:31 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Very depressing about Chane.
I wondered why Rick took him out.
Just to be clear, I wasn't trying to single out Chane
He wasn’t the only one with these problems — they were practically team-wide.
That moment just stuck out for me as being emblematic of the whole night. Even when somebody (in that case, Peyton) actually WAS trying to connect, it just wasn’t going anywhere.
by BostonCardFan on Jan 10, 2012 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
No, I didn't think you were.
For some reason, I particularly didn’t expect Chane to act that way.
Well we also don't know what siva was saying either. it could have been
something not very constructive. Kinda like my older brother putting his arm around me and proceeding to tell me “I bet those girls love that bushy hair growing out your nose.”
Ball stops with Chane. ALL the time. It really is a big part of our offensive woes.
He would rather take two power dribbles then shoot a triple contested turn around hook in the middle of the lane than pass the ball 70% of the time.
by James Sutherland on Jan 10, 2012 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
Oddly have hope for a miracle too, but tonight was is going to define louisville BB for a long time...
either as the game that signalled the end of the pitino era or the game that sparked an inspiring turnaround that reasserts pitino’s ability to overcome insurmountable odds. Show us what you got left coach.
by WindyCityCard on Jan 10, 2012 11:23 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
He is trying
to speak calmly. I think there is a lot of emotion under there, that he is trying to keep in check.
I also think, just watching his face, that he isn’t sure what to do.
by Bruce in Louisville on Jan 10, 2012 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
yikes. that is the expression of a man that is holding in something big.. .
Like chatting with a co-worker who had just been told by his wife the night before that was leaving and taking the kids.
by WindyCityCard on Jan 10, 2012 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
He looks dazed
I don’t think he quite knows how to handle what is happening. This is not the 08-09 team we’re dealing with.
by cardsinindy2010 on Jan 10, 2012 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
Or maybe the guys told him whats up and he is completely shocked at
what they said. Maybe they hurt coach’s feelings ; ’ (. Looks like a guy holding in a big tear to me. It’s okay to cry big guy. Let it out.
I hate this team
Yes, that is Spike Lee.
by TheRealSlimShady on Jan 10, 2012 10:32 PM EST reply actions
I know, I dont
but i do not love this team like last year
Yes, that is Spike Lee.
by TheRealSlimShady on Jan 11, 2012 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
Then jump ship.
We don’t need this garbage.
ALL HAIL
by Cardinal_Pride on Jan 10, 2012 11:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah hate is a strong word man and I'm not ready to throw in the towel yet.
I know things are really screwed up but I think the problem is personality issues right now and if they can work them out they will bounce back. If the fix can be found it will work and the guys won’t look back.
Throw in the towel?
We may not be ready yet but the team sure did last night. I need to figure out how to get my laptop to put a tiny higher 2 following embarassed so I can square it.
Can we lock them in Minardi Hall and not let them out until they hug it out? (locking them in the gym to put up shots is step 2)
by 140sNotEnough on Jan 10, 2012 10:34 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Im afraid
we’ll end up being the exact opposite of UK, looking forward to football season while they look forward to basketball season..
I am done with my graceless heart
So tonight I'm gonna cut it out and then restart
by rockchickpeg on Jan 10, 2012 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
Excellent post
These losses are really nothing new. Remember getting blown out to TCU on the road in the C-USA days? The problem is, while Pitino has shown he can piece the team together in February, he has very little to show for it in March. I don’t like to judge a team based solely on its tourney showing, but if Pitino doesn’t make a deep run this year the calls for a replacement will be justified. #OccupYum
by centrecard on Jan 10, 2012 10:36 PM EST via mobile reply actions
33 points to ND in 09
Then a crash and burn in the Regional Final against a lower seeded less talented Mich St team.
Two consecutive first round exits.
Amazing so many are in denial about what the common denominator is…
Hint: Its not the players
by scorpiocard on Jan 10, 2012 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
We got it bro.
no need to beat the dead horse. The “Godfather” has UNDERPERFORMED here, but in fairness to him, he’s not the one out there missing layups/dunks/putbacks/putting them back in for the other team/missing rebounds/ etc. etc. etc. etc.
GO! CARDS!
BEAT!
PURDUE!
Yeah I know
Steve Kragthorpe was not the one out there not scoring TDs, missing field goals, and missing tackles etc. etc etc etc also.
We saw that too.
You’re right…lets do be fair.
by scorpiocard on Jan 11, 2012 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
seriously?
Football is a much more complicated sport with many more moving pieces and no less than 22 different players who must contribute to the team’s success.
If guys with this kind of talent cannot hit the gimmes, there’s not too much Rick can do about it. Sometimes it’s just not out night.
GO! CARDS!
BEAT!
PURDUE!
This team lacks LEADERSHIP
Not talking Pitino, but from within the team. Kuric is a mime, Chris Smith is worried about his bball future, Swop is Swop, Rock is not the same post injury, and I’m almost averaging as many points as Siva over the last few games.
"Right now, the light at the end of the tunnel? It’s not safe. It’s not safe. The future is coming, and if you’re in the way we’re going to roll right through you."
by Jurich 4 President on Jan 10, 2012 10:36 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Players' only meeting
is the right call. Either these guys look each other in the eye and fix it themselves or it ain’t gonna get fixed.
A coach can’t fix a group dynamic FOR you. This is gonna come down to the players and the responsibility that they take — or don’t take — for the direction of this team.
by BostonCardFan on Jan 10, 2012 11:12 PM EST up reply actions
the talk of pitino on the hot seat is very much justified
not only has he massively underperformed expectations here, he’s humiliated every single one of us with his sexual escapades. and yeah, we’ve all seen what he can do in february, but we’ve yet to see what he can do in march (aside from one good run in 2005). it’s time to start thinking about a change.
I don't have the first idea what you are trying to say here.
I meant you can have a legitimate gripe about failure to meet expectations on the court,
but the personal crap is over except for those who get some kind of perverse thrill out of constantly bringing up others personal mistakes. I’m can only suppose you have never made any poor choices in your personal life so you have carte blanche straight from Jesus himself to toss all the stones you want.
It ain't about Jesus
Its about job performance and consequences for being an idiot.
It’s about not being an egotistical stupid jackass that embarrasses your high profile employer and fan base, as well as the negative pressure and energy he brought
down on himself, and as a result the team as well.
Its not about stonings, or going to hell.
Why do you think it is a moral issue with me?
It’s NOT
by scorpiocard on Jan 11, 2012 12:16 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Well, because it hasn't been in the media for 2 years now, but we still hear it from you every time the team stumbles.
by James Sutherland on Jan 11, 2012 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah man it is time to quit brining this up. It is in the past. Our
faithful leader, Jurich, found it necessary to give him another chance so that should be enough right there to drop this. He admitted his fault, apologized and life has moved on. Don’t hold an open record book on life. That is a shitty way to live.I would hate to be the friend of someone who holds every mistake against me for the rest of my life.
His sexual excapade is in the past,
But so is his Final Four run, is it ok to bring that up? If now isn’t the time to fire Rick Pitino, than when will the time come? Two straight first round exits, recruiting sucks, and when he does get a good recruiting class he can’t keep them eligible, in shape, they get injured, or he just doesn’t play them. 0-3 against UK and now he is getting beat by one of the worse teams in the Big East by 31pts. Throw in the off the court issues that did leave the UL program with big black eye, and the fact the Rick is one of the highest paid coaches in the country, definately says it is time to move on. Tom Jurich needs to reach out to Brad Stevens and pay he what ever he wants to take over next season. Can you imagine what Stevens could do with these guys? Just a thought from UK fan. Not trying to offend anyone, but it does seem like it is time to move on.
some personal choices can hinder the focus needed to coach
the sypher thing did effect basketball guys ..no doubt about it but i agree its over now ,,,but still pitino needs to go, he is a stubborn coach who cant seem to change with the ever changing game of college basketball, he makes stupid line up moves the last few years and it is sad… this is from an outside point of view..i dont care how long pitino stays, it only helps my team but he def needs to go..the best thing for louisville’s future oppts is pitino to stay till 2017
here's the thing though
sypher isn’t in the past. it’s very much a part of our program’s present. every time i tell a new acquaintance i’m a fan of Louisville, their immediate question is something along the lines of “how about pitino and that crazy lady?” or imagine your son or daughter, who’s a big UofL fan, getting taunted at school because of “fifteen second ricky”. and if you don’t think other coaches are using that to recruit against us, that’s just naive.
sypher may be in the past for pitino, but its now baggage that comes along with the louisville brand, to the point that sypher is the lens through which outsiders view our program. most of the fans have sold their souls though, accepting “bridge years” and choosing to ignore the sypher thing because it’s “in the past,” while for the majority of everyone else, it’s a current event.
I disagree
I truly believe it is a major reason we have taken such a hit on the recruiting trail. How can CRP look a recruit’s mom in the eyes and tell her he will take care of her son and help him become a man?
This is even more of a problem with a single mother. She is very likely to think that CRP is the same kind of guy who got her pregnant and then went off to the next woman. And don’t believe for a minute that the Sypher incident isn’t hinted at by rival coaches when it is their turn to charm the recruit’s mom.
Sorry I was late to the thread
I was in the bathroom taking a Pitino.
by Whacker77 on Jan 10, 2012 10:39 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
I'm done defending pitino or this team.
I’m not going to say anything about the 10-15 incoherent “pitino and the team sucks” fanposts that will spring up between now and the next 12 hours.
Go for it, boys. enjoy it.
by johnnyjoejohnson on Jan 10, 2012 10:41 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
There is nothing fun or enjoyable about needing a coaching change
Why didn’t you tell us the same thing about Kragthorpe?
by scorpiocard on Jan 10, 2012 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sick of this shit.
Normally I’m cheery and upbeat, but this has taken the wind out of my sails…. This needs to be fixed now.
by Kegs N' Eggs on Jan 10, 2012 10:41 PM EST via Android app reply actions
I think it's relationship things
which aren’t as easily fixed as, say, shooting free throws.
by Bruce in Louisville on Jan 10, 2012 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
Everyone would just stand arond on offense
literally not moving and Siva took some questionable shots. It’s almost as if he said screw it if you guys aren’t even going to try to get open I’m just going to shoot
wtf
crp will be fine hes our rock and if theres any coach I would want to fight this out with it would be rick. We will have a 5 game winning streak before the season ends and true fans kno providence aint bout shit. even the sun shines on a dogs ass every known and again. yea we got smashed but we are way better then that. they were not missing any shots and we missed a crap load. come march we will see that this lost dosent mean as much as we think. siva siva siva…. does he not kno we go as he goes so play ur game and stop whinning of course 3 of the 5 fouls were bull but hey ur our leader so act like it.. and kuric may not be that guy Rick wants him to be. its time to be realistic rick. u gotta coach…..i love my team and my coach so give them a lil slack guys im head hunting too but at the end as we all see its the players. chris smith was doing way to damn much. deing….non factor last 3 games missing atleast 12 2-5 ft bunnie shots wtf come on man get aggressive like you do on D chane is the only player making progress but has to get a better attitude. i think we will get it together soon. most of ricks teams at l ville hit a skid…..then play there asses of the rest of the way so dont be worried my fellow card cardians we’ll get thro this and be fine like my man Mike said look at ricks teams the last few years in febuary!!!!!!!!! Awsome
by j.boy on Jan 10, 2012 10:46 PM EST via Android app reply actions
CL Brown asked Siva and Kuric what needed to be fixed after the game. Answer: They had no clue...
Chris Smith said everyone needs to come together and play harder. You would think being “together” would have happened by now.
but even the starters aren’t really getting it done
by midwestkids on Jan 10, 2012 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
No, I'm saying Siva, Kyle and Chris don't seem to be meshing well with Ware and some of the new recruits possibly?
Like mighty ducks 3???
ALL HAIL
by Cardinal_Pride on Jan 10, 2012 11:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
D3 references = auto-rec
Jesse Hall = Preston
Hans’ death = Chicken Knowles’ recruitment
by UL is my hot hot sex on Jan 11, 2012 2:10 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Of course none of us know what's going on,
but last year’s team was such a dynamic, all-for-one and one-for-all group, so closely knit, it might actually be that they think of the team as “theirs” and the new guys are put off by it. Or then it may be that some of the newbies think they’re God’s gift to the Cards, and the veterans resent it. Let’s hope they solve it.
Saying Providence "played harder" and that we need to "play harder" in the same minute
interview was pretty telling. He doesn’t seem happy.
by Mike Rutherford on Jan 10, 2012 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
from what I saw in person
Chris was the only player making any sustained effort to lead and communicate out there on the court. But it just wasn’t going anywhere.
by BostonCardFan on Jan 10, 2012 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
Loouhvul, maybe you are inferring more than I am able to. The only hint I get is that a problem exists and that he doesn't seem confident that it is being resolved.
Has he dropped more specific hints?
by WindyCityCard on Jan 10, 2012 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
I can answer that. Last game he said that players were listening to their families more than the coach.
Hence the ware facebook comments?
by WindyCityCard on Jan 10, 2012 11:27 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Yes, he referred to "outside influences"
and “families” and even tonight he said they need to come together and focus. I infer from that that they aren’t playing together as a team. Same message tonight, just a little more muted.
At a loss for words........
Charlie Strong will you please intervene? Or bust some heads? Its whichever at this point.
On a side note I sure am glad I didnt get them Louisville tattoos, wait……..fuck……… Looks like long sleeves till football, dammit. #boneheadecision
by ville 606 on Jan 10, 2012 10:49 PM EST via mobile reply actions
i was saying the same thing to a friend this morning.
we need charlie strong the one after the marshall loss.
Like many of you said
the players have to come together. There’s only so much the coaching staff can do. The guys don’t seem like they are comfortable with each other on the floor. I don’t know how that could change so much from the beginning of the year. It starts with Siva. He’s your point guard. He’s your leader. He sets the pace. If he’s clearly not interested and playing stupidly, the rest of the team follows. His 4th and 5th fouls were incredibly stupid. His 5th looked like an excuse to get out of the game. He looked like a spoiled brat on the bench after. I don’t know what’s happening. It’s up to the 15 guys or whatever to figure it out.
some AWEFULLY phantom calls out there too though...
wonder if Coach P had the zebras foul him out. lol
GO! CARDS!
BEAT!
PURDUE!
WTF just happened!
I could tell from the tip-off that we were not really there. I’m hate to say it but that’s not a good sign. I watched a couple Denny Crum teams that never could get it together. Flamed out in likewise fashion. Something changed recently. I ‘m not sure what it is but as a troubleshooter by nature it has to be one of the new additions or Pitino trying to make things fit when they are not ready. Anyway, I hope it straightens out or I may be watching a lot of wish-I wasn’t-here games.
hearing......
Kevin ware is a big contributor to the problem.. we are now 2-4 since his arrival. His father and him are blasting Siva on Facebook as well as crying about playing time… I am a card fan through and through but I must admit, sometimes it is rough..
by 859Cardguy on Jan 10, 2012 10:59 PM EST via mobile reply actions
go back to the bulldogs
im sure they will pay you…….i mean play you if you wanna go back home. him and his dad crying on FB for PT….if the story is tru leave we were good without out you. this is louisvile hommie not georgia st or wherever you come from so get on board or fall the fuck off. more TO’s then assist last couple weeks…….thats a sign of not having that togetherness. so make it happen thats why were the last laugh of the KY college basketball teams.
by j.boy on Jan 10, 2012 11:06 PM EST via Android app reply actions
I HAVE A SOLUTION....
Maybe Rick needs to look at what Charlie did with the football team…have them call talk about whats wrong, motivate each other and maybe we can finish strong…like the football team did.
i have no audio on the video??? the ad had audio..but rick is silent. help
i wanna get chocolate wasted!!!!!
Went something like this.
Blahblahblahblahblahblah. Same ol shit, Pitino speak.
by ville 606 on Jan 10, 2012 11:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I didn't know
The Walking Dead season premiered tonight on espn2
by PS3theFuture on Jan 10, 2012 11:21 PM EST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
There is only 1 thing this team needs.
A Meeting with Charlie Strong and Pat Moorer!
Change the line-up!
Bullet,Hendo and Nunez were bustin their ass trying to keep hope alive. Play the guys who wants to play and if you dont want to play ride the pine. The players didnt have the high energy they were not active and they completley gave up. LINE UP CHANGE PLEASE!
Go! Cards!
by Die hard CaRd! on Jan 10, 2012 11:25 PM EST reply actions
I figured it out!
Prov was playing with 6 players all game. I didn’t even realize it. It was the same ref that did the wku game last week. No wonder!
by PS3theFuture on Jan 10, 2012 11:31 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Time for a coming to Jesus moment
O.K. we just got our ass beat for the second time by an inferior team. It is not CRP who can’t make a layup or get a rebound or hit a wide open shot? However as Howard Schnellenberger once said “they are dogs but they are my dogs” Rick they are your dogs so get them in line or bench their asses. Play the freshman and get ready for next year!
Steve Kragthorpe couldn't...
score touchdowns, kick field goals, and make sacks either.
We saw that too.
by scorpiocard on Jan 10, 2012 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
Do you ever have anything constructive to say or do you just like to whine and cry?
No one wants to listen to you whine about CRP. We got your point in the other 8000 fucking posts you made about not liking him. Either say something half way constructive or quit hitting the reply button.
-Dustin
by Civicman86 on Jan 11, 2012 9:12 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It's going to be a struggle for this team even if they overcome the outside influences
Because we don’t have much offensive firepower, even at our best. With our murderous upcoming schedule, the chemistry problems need to be fixed ASAP.
by cardsinindy2010 on Jan 10, 2012 11:35 PM EST reply actions
Fans have every right to be pissed at Pitino...
I have supported this guy since day one, and have found myself running out of excuses. Never have I seen a coach blame more reasons other than himself for the way a team is playing. He is a mastermind when it comes to media manipulation, and has an unbelievable ability to make his fan base believe the BS that is coming out of his mouth. Fortunately, I think people are finally starting to catch on.
It begins with in-game coaching. I credit much of the success of last years team to Ralph Willard. Pitino had a go-to assistant every time a difficult adjustment had to be made during a game. Granted Pitino had to replace a number of coaches on staff from last year, he failed to replace Willard with a proven “in-game” coach. Instead, he opted to hire 3 recruiting oriented coaches, which has yet to pay off. Our half court offense is literally the worst I have seen from a UofL team. It was especially noticeable during the Notre Dame game, when players just seemed to stand around. I noticed numerous occasions during that game where C. Smith and Kuric were content with standing five feet from one another on the perimeter hoping someone would pass them the ball. As for the UK game, Pitino blamed Kuric’s poor shooting performance on the length of Kidd-Gilchrist. Maybe if he had Kuric move out of the perimeter corner a few times a game, he could create some open shots. This aside, he may want to draw up another play other than Siva driving the lane and shooting a ridiculous contested shot every time the game is on the line. I think everyone in the arena knew what was going to happen at the end of the ND game. To conclude my point, there are about six teams, regardless of talent level, that Pitino will never get passed in March due to superior “in-game” coaching (See Michigan State in ’09).
My second point has to do with Pitino distancing himself from his players. A week or so ago, when asked about the return of Blackshear to the lineup (potentially our best offensive player), Pitino stated that he would serve at best as a quality backup due to the fact that he hadn’t been able to monitor Wayne’s diet. ARE YOU KIDDING ME?! A program that brings in over $30,000,000 and pays their coach $7,000,000 a year can’t hire a dietition to monitor the player’s diets? I don’t buy that one bit. If Jim Tressel was held responsible for monitor his player’s tattoo art, I think it is fair to hold Pitino to the same standard in regard to his player’s diets.
My third point is short and simple: Recruiting. Even with the injury to Marra and Wayne, Pitino should not be able to excuse our offensive woes on lack of athleticism or shooting ability. With Pitino’s background, our facilities, and fanbase, the guy should bring in a top five class every single year.
Lastly, Pitino is selfish. During this entire conference realignment, all Pitino was concerned about was himself. He could not handle the idea of not being able to make his annual trip to MSG and associate himself with the northeast. Not once, did he say anything about wanting what was best for the entire athletic department. Secondly, I found it odd that Pitino decided to make his VERY early retirement announcement on the same day the football team was playing its bowl game. It would have been nice if he could of kept his ass out of sight and let the football team and Coach Strong have their day of recognition.
These issues, along with one Final Four in eleven years and an embarrassing sex scandal, should allow every Card fan that is not content with an elite eight trip every 3-4 years to be pissed at Pitino. If a deep run is not made this March, Pitino should be placed on the hot seat without question.
Sorry for my rant and goodnight.
by dejuanfingerroll32 on Jan 10, 2012 11:39 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
Awesome work dude
And much harder to argue with than my couple of years of ranting.
My hat is off to you.
by scorpiocard on Jan 10, 2012 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
Good arguments.
I may not agree with everything, but they are at least well articulated arguments with solid foundation.
I also made mention of the loss of Willard earlier in the season and that it was being severely overlooked. Pitino himself said last year that he brought Willard in because he was a great X and O offensive coach. We seem to be sorely missing that now.
Damn!
What a bargain we are getting for what RP is getting paid!
Who would expect him to actually be able to still coach amd win?
Obviously we are unreasonable with our expectations.
by scorpiocard on Jan 10, 2012 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
You're a child.
I wasn’t even arguing with you or supporting Pitino. That’s why nobody can take you seriously.
by CARD_G6 on Jan 11, 2012 12:01 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
This.
He only shows up when the team is struggling. Where were you during the first month of the season? Can’t be bothered to show your support for your team, but can definitely find the time to bash our coach the second the opportunity presents itself?
by CardinalDude on Jan 11, 2012 7:50 AM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Dude...
Like I said in my post, I have supported pitino in the past. But, if the play in the first 12 games was worthy of your support, you either don’t know much about the game of basketball or you don’t have very lofty expectations for this program. Sure the 12-0record was great, but all indications led to a dropoff of decent magnitude.
by dejuanfingerroll32 on Jan 11, 2012 3:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He gets it!
dejuanfingerroll32 has said it best and I’ve said the exact same thing. Pitino is selfish. He’s worried about him and thats it. The football game/ announcing retirement was complete bullshit. You sound like some little spoiled bitch. Sorry Rick but the bottom line is you can be replaced. i’m sure without question some young and inspired coach would take lets see: One of the highest paid jobs in the country, incredible fan base, The freakin KFC YUM, Best facilities, tons of revenue, ESPN broadcast every game, tradition, etc,etc. IMO lets give Brad Stevens a call at Butler. He’s done more in 2 yrs than Rick has done in 11yrs. Plus he develops players and we can have a season for once without drama or hearing about our players fat/body mass index and there out of shape every week being the cause of poor play., There freakin 18-22 yr olds. GO CARDS!
+1 Id love to see Brad Stevens get serious considersation whenever the time comes
by Cards86 on Jan 11, 2012 10:09 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Basketball is an emotion -momentum based game of five on five. You have to have leaders and this game is lead most successfully when lead by the point gaurd,“Siva”. I have my most full patience and respect for my man Siva and I hope that eventually he gets it together and returns to the man that went at kemba walker thwrice last year..these guys are lucky, because I remember the old days when Pitino would have done went f*ckin Bobby knight on somebody by about halfway through the wku game,,Get it together guys
by HaHaSypher on Jan 10, 2012 11:42 PM EST via mobile reply actions
He needs to stop coddling Peyton
Sit him until he can get his shit together because currently it is nowhere near where it needs to be… Coming out of his rear instead of his head.
Love the guy, but he is playing nowhere near his potential over the past several games. Get it together Peypey!
GO! CARDS!
BEAT!
PURDUE!
It's times like this
When I need to walk away from it all for a while. It is amazing how much I can let our team impact my mood. Going to step back from the site for a few days to try to garner some perspective.
by Remote Cardinal on Jan 10, 2012 11:46 PM EST via mobile reply actions
The LA Clippers are up-and-coming this year.
Still time to get o
by Justin Gingey Smith on Jan 10, 2012 11:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions
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If you put on your 3D glasses it’s all one post.
by Justin Gingey Smith on Jan 11, 2012 12:04 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
3D
Thank goodness the CARDS are not in 3D! could you imagine watching us suck in 3D. Watching a group of players pout in 3D. We shot so mant bricks last night i thought i was watching extreme home makeover.
by CountryCard on Jan 11, 2012 8:38 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe I'll drive up to Springfield, Mass.
That should cheer me up. Preston’s playing there.
This is horrible on so many levels
Not only did we get hammered by a sub par team.
We are not improving
We have regressed
The players seem to not really like one another
Rankings will drop through the floor
This is the easy portion of our schedule.
and what I feel is the worst issue… FUTURE RECRUITING…If things are not corrected asap and we have another early exit from the tournament, no top recruit will want to come here. Do we not think these recruits dont talk to one another and say “hey dude why you going to LVL you wont get to play” Do we not think coaches are saying " hey why do you wanna go to LVL, they get knocked out of the tournament early and get no exposure "
Didnt CRP say “Denny Crum never lost his ability to coach.. He lost his band” Well this isnt the brand we need my friends.
"Winning gets you where you want to go"
-CS5-
was laying in bed alone last night, checking on my phone.
made me laugh heartily.
by Justin Gingey Smith on Jan 11, 2012 9:36 AM EST up reply actions
Same
Didn’t click last night. Happy I did today
ALL HAIL
by Cardinal_Pride on Jan 11, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
This team needs a "brotherhood" retreat. Pitino needs to send them to a
place where there are no outside influences. Only the guys and their sleeping quarters. Next you get them plastered and put them in a cricle. Every guy gets a chance to go to the middle of circle and get whatever they want off their chest. They get their chance to talk about whatever they want. These dudes need to open up to each other and build some trust and unity. Fucking cry to each other. Whatever it fucking takes!
LOL and I just realized Bryce Cotton dropped 25 on us tonight
LOL
Someone get Austin on the recruiting staff… Screw Fuller we have Austin M
"Winning gets you where you want to go"
-CS5-
Yep. The Bryce Cotton odyssey just got real.
by James Sutherland on Jan 11, 2012 12:23 AM EST up reply actions
The Bryce Cotton meme is no longer entertaining
If Chicken does this to Louisville, I don’t, I just….I don’t know.
Everyday I'm Russelin'
This is NOT Pitino's fault
Did you not watch that video? Pitino is stunned. This team’s problems are way beyond him. Let’s Recap…
-Siva is named Top PG award semifinalist and now finalist (whatever it’s called)
-Chris Smith has a brother in the NBA and like most college bball players, wants to go to the NBA as well
-Kevin Ware comes in late and Pitino gives him more and more playing time each game
-Russ is russelin’ and takes minutes from Chris Smith
Siva and Smith both hope for a future in basketball outside of college and inside of the USA. Those dreams are slowly disintegrating because their minutes are being taken away by underclassmen. Both feel like they have something to prove on the court so they make dumbass mistakes that are fatal to this team.
Then to make matter’s worse, apparently Ware’s dad called for the benching on Siva on Twitter.
Russ isn’t the problem. It’s Ware.
Why Pitino puts Ware in the game when he’s clearly no where near ready to play…that’s not Pitino’s game, so there’s our “outside influence” on this team. Ware is the only freshman (besides Chane, but let’s be real, Chane is a fucking beast) who’s getting any playing time at all. I’m in the pep band and I have a front row seat (literally) to watching our players. Ware is no better than Zach or Angel who haven’t seen playing time in quite a while. He looks confused and uncomfortable with the ball. He’s too lanky to be a point guard, and I rarely see him take shots. Yet, he’s on the floor. And no one knows why…
Two of our team’s three Captains are pissed, and Kyle can’t save this team. This team loved each other before the season, remember Gorgui letting Bullet down the middle because “I don’t want to hurt Bullet, I love him”…where is that now. Ware joined the team the day of the Memphis game (or right before), coincidentally that’s when we started almost losing to Western and CofC…
Don’t blame Pitino, In Russ we Trust
Go Cards
You just completely contradicted yourself...
You say don’t blame Pitino. Well, who is to blame for playing a freshman “Ware” who is clearly not ready to play. Is that not Pitino’s decision.
I do however agree with you in the fact that Ware is nowhere near ready to play.
by dejuanfingerroll32 on Jan 11, 2012 12:30 AM EST up reply actions
That’s what I’m saying. Ware is the only freshman who isn’t ready to play who gets minutes, I feel like there has to be some outside source almost forcing Pitino to play Ware.
by bandofcards on Jan 11, 2012 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
So what are you saying?
Pitino is now Nick Nolte from Blue Chips? Except these aren’t “blue chips”. Pitino is the hall of fame coach, not Kevin Ware Sr. So I dont blame outside influences, thats just one of several excuses he keeps trying to cram down our throats.
by ville 606 on Jan 11, 2012 7:34 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Know who I don't envy?
The 20-year-old amateur athletes who have a whole fan base on their asses as though they’re getting paid. Everyone is frustrated, but for God’s sake, have some perspective. If some of you have solutions to real life adversity that mirror what you type in this forum, I’m really glad I don’t actually know you.
by doctorofdunk on Jan 11, 2012 12:27 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Let's get one thing straight
You’re absolutely allowed to judge someone by what they post in a comments forum on the interwebs. That being said, I also like a hard-earned hug.
by doctorofdunk on Jan 11, 2012 12:33 AM EST up reply actions
Oh I don't care if you judge others
Just don’t judge me!
I CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
Everyday I'm Russelin'
I feel like we reached a point of agreement, noobmaster
I don’t really know how, or why, or where I am, or if you’re actually Tracy Morgan…but I’m satisfied.
by doctorofdunk on Jan 11, 2012 1:05 AM EST up reply actions
This warms my soul
You’re a good person doctorofdunk.
You have earned that hug!
Everyday I'm Russelin'
I've only seen a few people completely out of sorts on here. Everyone else seems to just be searching for answers.
I’m starting to think some of you like to cry outrage more than anything.
by James Sutherland on Jan 11, 2012 12:36 AM EST up reply actions
"Some of you"
Not everyone. There’s a difference between being pissed and shitting on our players like they personally owe you something. I’m talking about several threads I’ve seen since Saturday night. A much larger portion of the people who come on here are reasonable and well-informed, but I’m not talking to them.
by doctorofdunk on Jan 11, 2012 12:40 AM EST up reply actions
MY personal opinion
is that the only thing the kids owe us is to play hard. Other than that CRP is being paid millions and results need to follow. Time will tell
"Winning gets you where you want to go"
-CS5-
I actually envy the players
they are getting a free education… Not to mention have you seen KK’s girl friend….
"Winning gets you where you want to go"
-CS5-
tanstaafl
I hate when people say the players are getting a free education. Really? you think it’s free? Sure, they don’t actually write tuition checks, but they have to work their asses off for a demanding basketball coach. And ohbytheway, that demanding basketball coach gets to decide if each player gets to come back again next year.
Do you (did you) have to work your way through college? Hold down two, sometimes three jobs, to cover your tuition, housing, etc? Do you (did you) wake up early every morning, go to work, then dash to class, then back to work, then home to study? Because that’s basically what these guys are doing in exchange for their scholarships.
by JohnTongEchoesinmyhead on Jan 11, 2012 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
Do you (did you) have to work your way through college? Hold down two, sometimes three jobs, to cover your tuition, housing, etc? Do you (did you) wake up early every morning, go to work, then dash to class, then back to work, then home to study? Because that’s basically what these guys are doing in exchange for their scholarships.
…Yes?
by James Sutherland on Jan 11, 2012 10:36 AM EST up reply actions
and you never once thought it was a free education, did you?
J.S., you can relate to these guys—sure, you may have worked worse jobs than practicing basketball and studying scouting reports, but you worked your @ss off for your education, just like college athletes do. (Granted, many of them get more perks, but there’s still a lot of work involved.)
The college students worth envying are the ones who are there on mommy & daddy’s dime. Their only responsibility is to study and enjoy “the college experience.” That is the sweet life.
by JohnTongEchoesinmyhead on Jan 11, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
ditto scorpiocard & fingerrolls comments , go cards
by jamesc11 on Jan 11, 2012 12:35 AM EST via Android app reply actions
I'LL NEVER STOP BELIEVING..
we gon’ make it ppl. its rough out here right now, but as fans we HAVE to hold our team up while they’re down. if we quit on them, what excuse do they have then? No Retreat, No Surrender.
by BiGMeeCh502 on Jan 11, 2012 12:51 AM EST via Android app reply actions
From Lachlan McClane's email inbox tonight,... pretty telling(and some insightful) stuff
I got a TON of emails on Tuesday night after the UofL loss to Providence. I read many of them on the air but not all. so I’m reprinting every email I received, unedited and in the order I got them. enjoy!
Got Pitino? I wish Louisville didn’t.
This team is a pile of crap and there is no one to blame but Mr. 15 seconds. He recruited these jokers. Don’t let anyone tell you this team is deep either. The only reason he can play 10 tens is due to the fact they all have the same level of suckiness.
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OMG!!! What a clown show. All we need is to see Siva, Buckles and Swopshire in a little car with a bucket of confetti and an exploding cigar!!! 11 years of Pitino and this is the best he can do? How can any of these guys earn a college scholarship?????
When does Spring football practice begin?
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Would love to hear you address a few things on the show tonight:
1. Sosa……I mean Siva what happened to him?
2. Why do Zach Price & Angel Nunez get no clock at all even when the rest of the team looks lost?
3. Why would any good freshman EVER come to Louisville after watching what happens to freshman here?
If I were any team recruiting against Louisville my only line would be:
“Show me the last freshman that went to Louisville and had a great first year”
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Was that a promise when Pitino said he wouldn’t coach after his contract is up? What a bad product to sell to the public.
After U of L’s abysmal game tonight, I’m thinking of taking Coach Pitino’s advice and start drinking more wine and going to bed earlier. Do you have any good books you’d recommend I read to pass the time? And please don’t say Rebound Rules: The Art of Success 2.0.
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I am not as concerned with the loss as I am what happens next. The season is now 14 games long plus Big East tourney. How Pitino responds to changes that have to be made, how this team rises to the challenge, and whether he gets Nunez, Ware, and even Blackshear in sooner to help with the scoring will tell us what we have. I will be happy if we win 10 of the last 14 and at least 2 in the conference tourney. Hopefully a 4or 5 seed in the dance. If we can’t get those goals then I will give Pitino 1 more year for a final four or he’s out. This team was over rated early, found where they should be at 14 and now this is where the whole season is in balance. Bottom line there is no reason, no reason for keeping offense on the bench. I would trade 3 for 2 all night long. I think Providence just proved that. I still think the pieces are there for a special team and Rick is a special coach now lets see him motivate and create and think outside the box where he used to be. Glenn from Georgetown KY. P.S. I am a cards fan when they are good and bad they are my team emotion aside they can be really good if they figure out what they are doing they look lost, fatigued, and afraid to lose instead of playing to win.
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I have never called or emailed but am a season ticket paying fed up fan.
Anyway, in 11 yrs Pitino has yet to come close to putting point guard in NBA. I am very curious to see what UNC. UK. KU DUKE etc have done. Not siva or sosa problem… Pitino system problem Bottom line is Pitino has lost ability to get top talent and consistently produce offense.
All that coupled with numerous miscommunication such as he will be out all season, UL will never be out of top 10, xyz player is not ready, so in so doesn’t know scouting report (who cares, can he play and SCORE!).
Grade for 11 yrs when we all were thinking championship when plane landed 11 yrs ago. C- a gift
Porcini’s. At the end of the day, how much did that night cost us-HONESTLY?
12 tourney wins in 10 years….1.2 wins per year….
This team is done with him. The fans are done with him. It’s about time.
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Do you still insist that this a NCAA tournament team? As a 44-year Cardinal fan, I have been saying since last year that this is the least talented group of players since Denny’s last team. Last year’s 25 wins were based on many lucky bounces. This year, those lucky bounces will fall the other way. The worst part of this is the ridiculous hype by local and national media even as the Cards stunk up the place. Kudos to Dick Vitale and myself for calling a skunk a skunk from the beginning.
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Tonight’s Game: Simply an OLD FASHIONED ASS-WHIPPING
Tailspin Tommy, rock bottom, no way to go but up; wait, maybe they’ll stay at the bottom and drown.
I have no ideas.
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Muhammad Ali, Michael Jordan, Brett Farve. All of these men were the best in their sport when they were in their prime. But all of these men could not retire when they should have, and tried to stay in their sport much longer than they should have.
So my question is… IS Rick Pitno in the same position? He was great in his prime, but his prime is past and it’s time to move on?
… Turns out Karen Sypher is the lucky one. She doesn’t get to watch Pitino-ball in the penetentiary!!!!!!
To me it seemed like Rick the game away for Providence in honor of his 1987 Final Four. His tie was gray and black, Providence colors. Pitino’s body language and expressions even seemed different. Its like he gave up coaching going into the second half. Its ironic that yesterday during his press conference he was going on about how his Providence team made him believe he can come back from any deficit and yet tonight he gave up coaching the guys in the first half. He sat on the bench most of the game like a bump on a log.
Louisville fans have no reason to worry. Eric Crawford assured us last April the program is in the best shape it’s been since 1986. Stay calm. There’s nothing to see here.
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Lachlan Rick has lost this team his negativity is ridiculous. I believe his system is wearing on the guys especially siva. When siva made that 5th foul I knew the team was fully done. I’m tired of the excuses 1 final four in 11 years doesn’t cut it and 12 tourney wins total doesn’t either. Before the season it was elite 8 an as cardinal fans we should stick with that. If people believe think Rick is guaranteed to be here then your wrong if Denny can get forced out so can Rick.
This team has shown zero passion lately and their home performance has been shaky against solid teams. They are 13 – 4 and 1 – 3 in the Big East.
Where will the wins come?
Depaul – W
@ Marquette – L
@ Pitt – L
Villanova – W
@ Steon Hall – L
Rutgers – W
UConn – L
@ WVU – L
Syracuse – L
@ Depaul – W
@ Cincy L
Pitt – W
So.Fla – W
@ Syracuse – L
That’s 6 – 8 the rest of the way. 19 – 12 and 7 – 11 in the Big East. That’s not much room for error.
Thoughts?
P.S. – if they lose to DePaul, they’re done.
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Lach Pitino has not forgot the game. You know when they tell someone they are over qualified for the job? Well Pitino has tried to become an “innovator” with stats, scouting reports, deflections & so on. His mentor HUBBIE BROWN does all this stuff in the NBA. Pitino should understand the big difference though? 80something games vs 30something? OVERKILL INNOVATOR!
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It’s obvious Rick’s prime has past him by. Once upon a time Michael Jordan was the best player in the game but he did not know when it was time to move on; I believe that’s where Rick Pitno finds himself now. He was great in his prime, but his prime has past.
Pitino’s favorite quote: “players and fans live in a microwave society”. May be true, but I don’t recall a microwave taking 10 years to cook anything….
Re: Pitino’s Post Game Audio]
Compare that attitude to the attitude of Charlie Strong after the loss where he was furious and ranted about how bad the team was playing and how furious he was with the performance.
Maybe Pitino needs to take losses as hard as Charlie Strong does!
Whoever wants it more will get it and it is obvious that Pitino doesn’t want it bad enough.
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I haven’t heard any of your callers mention the possibility of big locker room issues amongst this team. Didn’t Kevin Ware dad post something on Facebook about “getting Siva’s bum ass off the floor” during/after the Notre Dame game? Of course it’s Rick’s team and I am so frustrated seeing this horrible offense game after game, but the locker room issues (if they exist) may be something even a head coach can’t fix.
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Hey Lach, What will the Louisville fans think when Ky. plays in the Yum center in the NCAA and U of L plays at Freedom Hall on the Ky. painted floor in the NIT.
Re: New Louisville Slogan
“Louisville First, if you turn the Big East standings upside down.”
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The Louisville offense looks like a Gillispie offense with Siva playing the role of Joe Crawford running into the lane and praying that he either gets fouled or finds an opening.
Tubby had this problem at Kentucky. He got good players but they didnt always amount to their full potential. Tubby wanted his style no matter what and ruined a guy like Rajon Rondo that liked to go full speed but instead had to play the half court offense. Rick seems to be doing this with his players. He wants his style no matter what even if its at the expense of a win. This was borderline Gardner Webb for Louisville and with all the players getting hurt im beginning to wonder if Billy Gillispie snuck in the door somewhere.
He has no plays on offense the game has flew by him, hes got to go. This is not an ncaa team and hes got knocked out in the first round two years running if they make it, it will be 3 years. Thats the truth. Kragthorpe jr. He has got to go
-Please take perspective on this year’s team. Dieng is still learning the game of basketball. Buckles knee has never fully healed from his initial injury. Siva is forcing things as well as R. Smith doing the same. We are seeing now how much Preston Knowles meant to this squad. Our fan base got excited off a weak pre Big East schedule. Quit trying to campaign aganist 19 and 20 year kids who play their hearts out every night. They just aren’t finding chemistry. This team requires a team meeting by Kuric and C. Smith to discuss putting their heads together to right the course of the ship. Let Pitino shake up the lineup and things may come with letting Siva come off the bench and start Russ Smith again. Pitino has produced two final Eights and a Final Four in 2005. Being provactive by saying “Pitino is getting negative in his old age” (paraphrased) is just you stirring the pot. He works hard and wants good things. You will being eating crow come March Wahoo. Your alma mater has not seen any Ralph Sampson or Curtis Staples in a few have they…..
You seem to be at your best when you can criticize U of L….it’s like you really enjoy kicking them rather than supporting them…but you know what, I and many many others really enjoy simply turning you off the radio…go back to where you belong A C C
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Crums last ten years at UL and Pitinos tenure at UL are no different. If he did not do what he did at UK he would not still be at UL. Pitino runs the UL.
I’’m a huge fan and I love your show because you cover both teams very well. First off I’m a huge UK fan but at the same time I hate this for UL. Rick has to stop recruiting upper east coast point guards. The reason is the great point guards have developed in other areas and they aren’t all from the streets of the Bronx. Not to be a typical cats fan but Rick would have never looked at John Wall since he was from NC. My second point is Rick devolps a game plan and refuses to change whether his team is up 20 or down 20. Honestly he is a better coach than that but he has to be able to “role with the punches.” I’m sorry but this is the one and done era. Pinto has to realize that UL is not a premiere acadmic institution nor is it a place where a player that is a one and done wants to play because it’s not a place where he will let them play. Coach K can do that becaause he develops players over for years and he has also won a gold medal with pro players in the Olympics. Rick tears them down where they can’t handle 4 years at UL. Is Coach Cal the greatest coach? No, he is no, but at the same time he realizes what he has on his squad and he uses them for the time that he has. Thats why he recruits them because he has execpted this time in college basketball and he can deal with that.Take for example, Daniel Orton’s year. He was a second string 5 man last year and was a first round pick. Players these days wants the money lets be real and if Rick can’t addapt to that then the people of Louisville are going to push him out of the city. If he wants to win THEN PLAY RUSS SMITH he gets them their points. I love your show Lach and I love how you keep a medium in this state
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by Chick-Stratino'sUrDaddy on Jan 11, 2012 1:01 AM EST reply actions
I stopped reading at
“This team is a pile of crap and there is no one to blame but Mr. 15 seconds.”
I don’t care if he brought up the best points anybody has ever brought up on this issue, I cannot take anyone serious who leads off with that. That is UK fan bullshit.
Or typical Lachlan.
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Why would you post this a Kentucky paid channel? Why Louisville fans even listen to lachlan is absurd,,that’s where all this pitino bashing cones from. Your an ignorant Louisville fan if you waste your time listening to that show, dumb enough to listen in to our team getting bashed, our coach gettin bashed, and our conference getting bashed,,they take a small number of the ignorant pitino haters and try to make it sound like that’s how the whole fan base feels.IT’S NOT
by HaHaSypher on Jan 11, 2012 10:46 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Funny how both UK and UofL fans both think Lach hates their team. Couldn't have anything to with the fact that he is critical of both when they deserve it, would it?
Also, Clear Channel owns both 840 and 790. Also, the last time I checked, I didn’t own an ignorant but,….. Oh, I see what you were trying to do there
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by Chick-Stratino'sUrDaddy on Jan 11, 2012 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
And I posted it saying it was telling in the sense that it is very telling about how people feel about Rick right now
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by Chick-Stratino'sUrDaddy on Jan 11, 2012 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
Quit calling Peyton ' Sosa '
It’s insulting to Edgar.
Yes, that is Spike Lee.
by TheRealSlimShady on Jan 11, 2012 1:05 AM EST reply actions
I really hate to see anyone insult the players
These are kids, and it really shows what type of person you are if you do such. Would you want anyone doing something like that to your son or daughter????
I personally feel there is a lot of talent on this team. Enough to make a final 4 run if everyone was playing together like they did last year. I have no idea why they are not, but it needs to be corrected quickly.
Something has changed…. I really felt this year was going to be a breakout year. With Siva and CS5 both having NBA hopes, along with KK in his senior year I felt there was no way this could end up bad.
So far Siva and CS5 have both played themselves right out of the NBA.
"Winning gets you where you want to go"
-CS5-
I always thought that the Siva leaving early for the NBA talk was just plain silly
He’s a 6 foot point guard who can’t shoot from outside. And that drive the lane, crazy lay up play ain’t working very often against NBA level big men down low. Don’t get me wrong, I love the kid, but he is a long way from being a early jumper to the NBA.
by Carolina Cardinal on Jan 11, 2012 8:40 AM EST up reply actions
Siva=over seas
The kid will never see the NBA. no jumper, no 3, to small. I mean really could you see him trying to play against Rondo, Westbrook, Chris Paul. NO! What really gets me though is the kid plays BBAll every day and has been at UofL for 3 yrs and has not developed a drive,stop and pop jumper from 10-15 ft.
crazy..this team has no heart
very pathetic display of basketball….i do think louisville will get better but man this is year with the expectations of elite 8 to final 4 is back to hoping just to get to the tourney.. again pitino has to go… jurich is a great ad who can get someone in there that can get u guys back on track… pitino is done.. argue it if u want but the man simply is past his prime
Scott Drew
Brad Stevens
Wojo
Steve Robinson
7.5 million a year? You dont think we cant get a coach in here? Please.
Drew would be like hiring Calipari.
We would need a coach who would play our historical style. Brad Stevens does not. I would rather see Sean Miller or Billy Donovan (I don’t want a new coach though).
Remember the Beef Bowl!
Drew is beating us in recruiting in a high school gym
On a lousy 1 mil a year
by Chip Constant on Jan 11, 2012 8:16 AM EST up reply actions
from what I hear he has the second biggest slush fund in college B-Ball
Ohio State is # 1
I've seen this pop up a few times about the salary, and just to clarify we are not paying Rick 7.5 million a year.
He made that 1 year because of a loyalty bonus, and he gets money from his radio show, ect…
His University salary is more like 3 million FWIW.
by James Sutherland on Jan 11, 2012 9:12 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
So what's the difference
It all ends up in his pockets. What diff is it that $3.5 M is in one and $3.0 M is in the other? I should have that problem.
The difference is 3.5 million dollars.
by James Sutherland on Jan 11, 2012 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
Not if he gets all of it
If UofL wasn’t paying him $3 M why would he get the other $3.5?
There is a difference between getting paid 3 million dollars a year, and one year getting a one time loyalty bonus. That's what I'm saying. Pitino doesn't make 7 million dollars a year.
by James Sutherland on Jan 11, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
Give it up James
This person doesn’t want to understand, or acknowledge a point of view other than their own. Straight from the facts be damned, I know what’s right because it feels right crowd.
James, we are at cross purposes
I never said CRP was being paid $7.5 annually. I only agreed that is what he got one time. But it’s still money received. The point I should have made is that regardless of the bonus he is one of the top ten coaches, perhaps top five, in earnings and I believe that with the faciltities we have and the fan support we have one Final Four, one Elite Eight and two straight one and dones in the NCAA including a loss to Morehead we are not getting our moneys worth.
"7.5 million a year? You dont think we cant get a coach in here? Please."
Reads a lot like you meant it to read 7.5 million per year.
if you really meant 7.5 million one year…
GO! CARDS!
BEAT!
PURDUE!
UL= urban school...
no way Stevens goes there…talk about a fish outta water
Lets get it on!!!!
by Magnoliacat on Jan 11, 2012 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
+1
Hope everyone wakes up in a better mood wed AM and takes a step back from the ledge…. It wasn’t 2 weeks ago every1 was talking about how this team didn’t drop any “head scratchers” like teams in our past. well here is our head scratcher.
Trust me, the safety is off! But its not time to push the panic button.
by BirdsWithTeeth! on Jan 11, 2012 7:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Two head scratchers in a row
PC was lights out shooting, yeah… but an undermanned, injury depleted, undersized ND also. Something is up. Not sure what, but its something…
I left the game with a headache
I still love our basketball program and support the team, and I did not expect to drive 90 minutes to watch crap on the court. It was the saddest excuse for a basketball game as I’d ever seen. I’d have rather watched a high school runner compete against Usain Bolt because that high school runner would probably show more effort than the UofL basketball team did last night. I saw effort from Kuric, C. Smith, Justice, and Henderson.
The only player I saw show any life on the bench was CS5, but that quickly died when no one else showed any. I’ve never seen a team care so little about a game, and that broke my heart. I rushed over to the tunnel as the first half ended and yelled at each and every player to get his head up, but they all just looked sullen and defeated. Heck, Fr. Bradley showed more life than most of the team did.
I hope they, the coaches AND players, are all embarrassed.about that game. They should all have to run until their legs fall off today. They should have their jerseys taken away to have their last names removed. They need to get this crap figured out one way or another, and they need to do it quickly. This was a failure of epic proportion, and if some players aren’t going to play, then sit their asses down with an open book in front of them. They need to make an effort somewhere.
Chris Smith was definitely trying hard
Talking on the court; shouting out tips on defensive positioning; clapping on the bench when teammates did “the little things” like a deflection or a made free throw.
by BostonCardFan on Jan 11, 2012 9:16 AM EST up reply actions
That would be a hell of a statement if Pitino took all of their names of their jerseys!
It would definitely be a good start in restoring my faith in CP
by Cards86 on Jan 11, 2012 12:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I've been a card fan for 30 years, and this is the worst game I can remember attending.
I’m not pointing fingers (frankly, because I don’t know who is to blame), but even during the Crum era I was never this embarrassed leaving an away game. I’ve traveled icy roads every couple of years to see Louisville play basketball, but to see them stand around on the court looking sullen is something I will never forget.
Is there no way to edit?
One other thing I was going to mention is that if this an attitude problem, we need somebody like Coach Strong out there, who can both inspire and discipline at the same time.
I don’t know if Pitino still has the passion he needs to bring the best out of his kids. I know he looked heart-broken in the post-game video, but still I can’t shake the feeling something about him has changed recently.
by CurtisJasper on Jan 11, 2012 8:34 AM EST up reply actions
It was.
I know I really shouldn’t get this upset about a damn sports game, but I can’t help it.
by CurtisJasper on Jan 11, 2012 8:42 AM EST up reply actions
this is good news...
& I already shared it w/ my bummed out buddy’s last night.
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by tnatburks on Jan 11, 2012 9:25 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I have never been burnt by any venereal disease...
This burns so bad like that one time I got gonnerhia, however I still feel like we will right this ship, surprise some people & EARN an at large nom. to the tourney & at minimum, make Sweet 16. How? Not sure, but this is my positive spin on negative shit.
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by tnatburks on Jan 11, 2012 9:24 AM EST via iPhone app reply actions
speaking of VD
I have a friend who was a big shot at KFC. CRP used their plane when he went to the Cleveland Clinic for his urology problem. It was VD.
I'm shocked to hear this
What other inside info does your friend have? Big Foot? JFK? c’mon dude, spill. You seem to have the straight story on a lot of things, mostly on the seedy side. What’s that say about you?
His wife who also worked there scheduled the flight and was told why
and what it says about me is I have been around a long time and know lots of people.
oh his wife?, well ok then.
I’m not debating the truth, I, like you, have no way of knowing that. I’ve been around long enough to learn not to throw this kind of anonomous gossip around.
It is your privilege to disbelieve my source
It is also my privilege to believe it. And my comment about chemistry was in regard to personal attacks on people posting on CC as you have gone after me. It’s OK to disagree with me but please do it with civility. That is all I ask.
If you really don't think I have been civil in calling you out
then I am at a total loss. I believe that spreading rumors about anyone’s personal or medical issues is irresponsible and I said so.
I never called you a liar, just irresponsible in your comments. I honestly don’t see how anything you have said up and down this thread is productive, or doing anything but continuing to harm the chemistry you seem to care about. I thought you might like to know how it is being received by others since you are lamenting that loss of unity we should have as Card fans. I have many friends with whom I disagree, but we have common ground on our love of the Cards.
And yes, I believe you are throwing bombs when you drop your Karen one-liners and innuendos about Pitino and other coaches. I agree we disagree about that , but because I do, and say so, does not make me uncivil.
peace
Forgive me if I perceived that
I realize there is no “in your face” font but that is what I read. And let’s face it, the Karen Sypher episode is fact. It was in national newspapers, on national TV, on many, many web sites. It did embarrass the University of Louisville and all of its supporters. It certainly is not one of the top scandals in sports but nonetheless it cannot be denied. And unfortunately it will never go away. That part is cold, hard fact.
Total lack of talent
Half the roster should not be at a high level D-1 school, also just because a player has played in your system for 3 or 4 yrs does not make him a leader, You can’t force someone to be a leader, and the three captains are not leaders
What bothers me the most - the apparent lack of effort
And I know that CRP doesn’t want to hammer his guys after such a humiliating loss, but it worries me that he didn’t seem more disappointed in their effort in the postgame interview. This was not a “one-off” event that you can just write off and move on. The effort was not there, and I wonder if CRP isn’t calling them out because he is worried that he has lost his team. If he has lost them, this is going to be one hell of a long year.
by cardsinindy2010 on Jan 11, 2012 9:40 AM EST reply actions
I don't want to blame the team the coach any of that
Losing by 20 is embarrassing
Losing by 31 when your team obviously doesn’t even want to play the game is downright laughable.
I can’t even be serious when I talk about this squad anymore because they obviously don’t want to play. I don’t know what happened to the team I saw back in October/November that had some scoring issues but enjoyed the game they are playing. This team eerily reminds me of the same mentality our football squad had during the 3 years of Kragthorpe.
It seems like the Memphis game was the last game this team honestly showed up to play. Yes we have some wins but there’s no bench hype, no excitement. The press doesn’t work if the players don’t have their heart in it.
I’ve said before, something is going on behind the scenes, this team probably doesn’t like each other. Their passing shows this their bench mentality shows this. Looking away from the huddle shows this. This right now for the last 6 games is a team than I don’t care to watch because it’s a team that doesn’t care. If they don’t care why should we?
Chemistry
It seems the lack of chemistry on the team has led to a lack of chemistry at C.C. Crap, the disease is contagious.
AS A YOUNG GUY WITH LONG TERM LOYALTY
Everybody is so short term now days, no respect what so ever, that you guys, some of you fat lazy unemployed and bitchin about the cards from your broken down recliner and ain’t never played a minute of competitive sports what so ever or anything athletic for that matter,,what gives you guys the sense of entitlement to say you deserve better than pitino or Siva or any of our guys. You personally don’t deserve shit! I love my cards team, my coach and players. I got their back and I’m still proud enough to wear my Louisville shirt proudly today. Today I’m completely over this humilating loss, and I’m actually more dissapointed to be part of a fan base like this. This is why Kentucky fans hate us,,not the school, the fanbase. Today I’m ashamed at blogs like this and honestly being represented as a fan by u guys. This is disgusting. Go Cards,,,try to work on coming together as a team and please block out and ignore this stupid unappreciative fan base.
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You're ashamed at this blog? Your name is HaHaSypher. I'm ashamed of you.
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by noobmaster on Jan 11, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Furthermore
This is why Kentucky fans hate us,,not the school, the fanbase.
Are you fucking kidding me?
by James Sutherland on Jan 11, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
We're gonna need heart.

Miles and Miles of heart.
by Justin Gingey Smith on Jan 11, 2012 11:03 AM EST reply actions
Btw, I will NOT be cancelling Depaul Day.
Unlike Mike. I think we’ve seen that even faced with the pressure of breaking the gnome, Depaul Day will not falter. It may not be pretty, we may only win by a few points, but it’s Depaul Day, and it’s our holiday.
Depaul
might start having a Louisville day :(
by midwestkids on Jan 11, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
I keep Hearing people say we have the same team as last year just without Preston Knowles
This team isn’t even close to the team we had last year. We might have a lot of the same players but that is where the similarity ends.
Good Changes from Last year
Chane Behanen
Bad Changes from last year
1. Preston Knowles – Huge hole was left when he left. Our whole way of playing offense changed when he walked out the door.
2. Terrance Jennings – We actually had a back up at the 5 with Gorgui and Van Trese, this year we have no 5 back up and when Gorgui gets in foul trouble we bring in two 4’s to take his place. I see this as a huge deal
3. Mike Marra – Say what you want about this guys shooting being on again, off again but he was a very athletic long player that was a great passer and knew Ricks System really well. He was the back up to the 3 spot and now we have none. Not to mention the heart and passion he played with every game, this team is missing him alot.
4. A point guard that can shoot the ball – Big hole left by preston. Coming in to the season we thought Siva had this down, but this is far from the case. When the Point is not a threat to shoot it makes everything else about our Offense easier to handle by even the basic Defense. Prestons ability to shoot the 3 and the Midrange jumper is what made it possible for guys like Kuric and Chris Smith to get open looks. Those 2 guys don’t have the ball handling ability to create their own shots, but they thrive when shooting off the pass from a point guard that draws the defense. Teams have learned that to stop the cards half court offense all they have to do is stay home on the shooters, force siva to drive, and play physical on the 4 and 5 spot.
5. Coaching – Sorry to say it, but I thought last year was the best coaching job I had ever seen. This year I feel like it’s the worst. Our players don’t seem motivated. Our incoming guys aren’t getting any playing time to develop, we haven’t developed Price into a back up 5 or Angel into a back up 3. Are defense went from looking really good to looking terrible. Our new all star badass recruit was allowed to gain 15 pounds in 2 months. Ware needs experience and confidence at the point and Rick keeps saying Siva needs time to heal his ankle. So why not sit siva to heal and take our lumps with Ware (we are taking our lumps anyways). It really seems like we are getting out coached in a lot of these games (I thought we were against Western also).
Starting to have a bad feeling
I am friends with russ on FB (which is awesome not trying to brag though) and his last few posts have some made me think there are a lot of chemistry problems with this team. Not only that but what chris smith is saying about listening to people outside of the coaches seems to be happening too. Two posts that have been alarming to me were when russ said “Not gona believe wat i was just told smh..” and someone commented on it saying “From what I have seen, let me guess: The team needed a leader, and the guys back you. That man doesn’t want that, so he’s singling you out to make THEM behave and it’s not working. I remember he said before the season that he’d thought you would transfer, and he brought that back to you?” The other post that was really alarming was “Ima just stop ..” not 100% sure what he is talking about but it seems pretty obvious, I mean it happened yesterday after the game.
Another thing I have learned from Louisville players on FB (take that for what it’s woth haha) Wayne is expecting to play I know it’s not up to him but if the kid thinks he is physically ready why not put him out there? He even said he was hoping he would get to play against ND.
Ignore the Wayne statements as I was looking at the page it was just a fan page and it said it was not the real Wayne Blackshear
by dirtybirds32 on Jan 11, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
As painful as last night was, if there are chemistry issues, that ass-whooping might have been necessary to sort things out
There is no covering up the fact that there is a problem that has nothing to do with our talent level or offensive limitations. Whatever the source of the chemistry problem, a loss like this provides an opportunity to address it.
If we get those issues straightened out, and if we get WB in the rotation by early February, there may still be a chance to salvage this season.
by cardsinindy2010 on Jan 11, 2012 12:14 PM EST reply actions
Anyone know the +/- of when Dieng is in the game and when he isn't?
Or where I could find it? I thought ESPN used to show that but I guess I was mistaken.
New starting lineup based on effort
Justice, Russ, Chris, Kyle, Gorgui.
Yes Kyle is the 4 in this lineup.
I just want to see us Fight.
Go Cards
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