The Problem is not Will Stein, It's the O- Line....
by frankpos on Sep 10, 2011 3:19 PM EDT
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The problem is not Will Stein, it's the O-Line.
Stein steadied himself after the early Pick 6, and threw for over 300 yds and two TDs and no further INTs, hitting on 30 of 43 passes.--while running for his life most of the time, since he was sacked 6 times!
He was forced to throw, the other team knew he was going to do it--yet he was able to do it. And, while running on a bad ankle on top of it.
It was, in retrospect, a truly heroic effort, spoiled by poor O- line protection and production with the running game.
Note: After the initial punch in the mouth 21-3, Stein and the Cards steadied and "won" the remaining game 14-3. I lay the blame for that on both the coaches and the players to not have a strong initial strategy to contain the one man that could beat them--and did.
IF Will and the Cards can stay steady in the initial going at UK next week, I believe we will win by 3-7 pts.
Teddy Bridgewater? I think it's important to give Will ---and our season-- our best shot at least until hope is truly gone for a winning season. Because Will right now is without a doubt the most consistent of our QB's. Only when hope is gone do I think you give Teddy more snaps. (Mind you, hope could be gone as early as losses in the next two games.)
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Exactly right
This is the correct analysis. We’re going to be a good team when Mario is back and the OL gets settled. Will played very well.
I Agree
i think the defense is alot better than people might think.
and is it just me or should our offense be throwing more than running??? our WR are LEGIT!!!
by Michael Miles Shults on Sep 10, 2011 3:49 PM EDT reply actions
Experience...
…we lack it in several areas (not just the O-line).
The problem with experience, (as my Grandfather would always) is you only get it one day at a time.
I think we’re in for a rough one, so tighten your seat belts, grab your favorite beverage, and hang on…the 2011 Cardinal Express has left the station and where it’s headed no one knows. But it will be a WILD ride. (I just hope I don’t throw up)
Spot on Frank, with respect to Teddy.......
I think it’s way more important to the future of the program for us to not finish under .500 this year, as that would be viewed as a big step back by recruits.
I’m pretty sure Teddy wouldn’t have performed as well as Stein last night with the way the line played.
by Chick-Stratino'sUrDaddy on Sep 10, 2011 4:20 PM EDT reply actions
Actually it is Will Stein....
He’s a great quarterback ….except if he’s 5’9 and the Offensive Lineman are 6’2 than he probably has a hard time looking over top of them……. And thats why all of the suspecting bootlegs were thrown in and is also why other receivers never received the ball….
He is too short to look over lineman , down the field to make a play……
Where’s 6’2 Teddy B-Water?? (he’s a freshman but all we got is time)
U of L ALL DAY EVERYDAY--WHAT MORE CAN I SAY?!!
We can't truly judge the QBs with such a horrible offensive line.
Yes Will is short, but most of the roll outs and bootlegs are because the pocket is collapsing as soon as the ball is snapped. Same reason we couldn’t even reach 100 yards rushing last night. IF the O-line can improve this season, then we can start to evaluate the QBs. It’s pointless otherwise.
by CardinalDude on Sep 10, 2011 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not saying Will is great...just the best we have by far right now, and our best QB hope for ....
a non-losing season.
With better protection, I think he could lead us very capably -no star power, more Lefors like
I just think the "he's short" argument is stupid.
Stein was 30-43 last night for 349 yards. If only he was 3 or 4 inches taller, he could have completed those 13 other throws. I mean, he only completed 70% of his throws last night. And how can you argue he isn’t spreading the ball around? 10 different players caught passes from him last night, and 6 of them had 2 or more catches.
by CardinalDude on Sep 10, 2011 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
If I could rec this three times, I would green it all by myself
"...and the present, for us, is something that we really look forward to."
- Rick Pitino
Admittedly
It’s difficult to really evaluate him with such a crap o line. He’s doing well with what he’s got. But we have NO deep pass threat right now I don’t know if it’s just him or that he has no time to throw.
No time.
Did you see our attempts at play action? Fake hand off….then Stein turns to look down field….and he is hit before his receivers were 15 yards down field. No protection= no time for routes to develop. When we threw it deep, 30 yrds. being deep here, Stein had to throw it long before the receiver was ready and hope they could get it. If he waited for the receiver to actually be open Stein would have already been on the ground.
This is what I saw at the FIU game anyways.
The "he's a midget" argument is weak at best
Yes he’s only 5’9 and all the linemen are 6’whatever, but seriously, how often are they standing on their tip toes when down there on the trenches – they want to stay as low as possible so that they can get the best leverage and everything…
Will can see over the line just fine. They just let the defenders get to him before he can get a good read on the situation that’s going on downfield…
Truth.
How tall is Drew Brees? And how many times did we have to deal with Brohm throwing into the line even though he was ‘prototypical’ height? It’s all about throwing into the lanes the O-line opens up for you. Stein is a serviceable quarterback who can and will manage the offense effectively if the line can give him enough time/space to operate.
Dave Ragone
6’4" 225lbs. and promoted for the Heisman. That worked out well his senior year. Similar situation with that OL, they were green. Heck even the headline from losing from Kentucky mentions young offensive line.
yes...there are many old-timers like me that still ....
have knee jerk reactions at times to bad O-Line performance
because of the terrible beating Ragone took his senior year—-a year truly ruined by a bad, bad o-line
We should do a poll
Don’t know everyone’s exact ages on CC but I have a feeling the majority of Louisville fans over the age of 25 think Will Stein should remain the starter and the < 25 crowd Teddy.
by UL is my hot hot sex on Sep 10, 2011 9:10 PM EDT reply actions
I'm over 25 and vote
without question for Stein. But then I’m a Trinity grad and maybe should have recused myself.
Under.
And right now, Stein. I know the 50 something year old 2 rows behind me at games wants Teddy. He yells and complains every chance he can.
by CardinalDude on Sep 10, 2011 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I was over 25 over 25 years ago
Stein is the guy. And I’m a St. X grad.
"...and the present, for us, is something that we really look forward to."
- Rick Pitino
I think the real deciding factor...
Is that fans with a middle to high Football IQ want Stein. Fans with a low football IQ/think they are watching basketball want Teddy. From where I am siting there is a clear correlation of people wanting Teddy combined with these same fans making comments that clearly show that they are football illiterate.
Example: Fan behind me leading the bullshit chant after Chi’s catch out of bounds in the end zone. I turned to him and said that Chi was clearly out of bounds. He said I know but the ref’s call was bullshit. I face-palmed HARD. This same fan was one of the loudest guys calling for Teddy.
I know I am generalizing but I was very irritated.
I admittedly have a low football IQ when it comes to several aspects of th game
but can see others as plain as day.
I know enough to know I don’t have what it takes to be a head collegiate football coach. I’m also pretty sure HCCS’s deicision to play Stein OVER TB has a lot more to do with both tangibles and intangibles than those screaming for TB can think of. Will is doing better than fair to midland back there. If he was doing horrible, I’d be screaming for TB too.
Sure TB is a 5 Star recruit too, but HCCS and company see him daily and if he’s not ready, he’s not ready – I’m sure the best man for the job will get that job when they’re the best man. Right now, it appears to be Will Stein. I’ll take HCCS’s decision over any armchair quarterback any day.
I agree
I totally agree except for the TB comments…its hard to be analyzed when your only in for one set and then taken back out….can’t gain experience by standing on the sidelines…gotta get them hands dirty sometimes.
If you never learn to understand failure, how could you recognize success?
Unless the coaching staff is still not seeing everything they want out of practice.
I personally want to see Teddy in for more snaps during the game (2-3 series, even if a majority of those snaps are hand offs). Will has had a few bone head mistakes so far, but overall I still think he should be our main man.
Everyone remember that the staff is trying to get us to a bowl game this year, that is priority number one. To do so you must win games which Stein gives us the best chance to do. Unfortunately I’m also a realist and realize that there are a few games on the schedule that could get ugly really fast (UNC, WVU). I think these will be the times that Teddy will get much more PT to gain experience.
Just my $0.02
-Dustin
We need a different OL, not a different QB
We just don’t have them yet… because they aren’t experienced yet.
by guyngreen on Sep 12, 2011 9:06 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Yes the OL is green, next year they will be better, but still not where we need them to be. The C and G postions will be fine but our tackle spots still have some catching up to do. Right now Kupper is playing C in place of Mario but when Mario comes back he will move back to the LT spot and he’s undersized for an AQ level tackle. For the future at the tackle position we better hope that Epps and Mack make big strides this coming offseason in the weight room. All the other young OL on our roster all seem about the same size: guard sized.
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