Strong's name Kragged to the bottom
by Mike Rutherford on Jun 15, 2011 10:03 PM EDT
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PrintDespite overseeing the most successful academic semester in recent Louisville football history, Charlie Strong now has his name attached to the lowest six-year APR number in Div. 1 football.
CBS compiled the APR averages for the 109 eligible football programs between the 2003-2004 and 2009-2010 academic years, and the results highlighted a distant last finish for Louisville.
| Coach, School | Rating |
| 1. Charlie Strong, Louisville | 869 |
| 2. Rob Ianello, Akron | 900 |
| 3. Larry Porter, Memphis | 903 |
| 4. Neil Callaway, UAB | 904 |
| 5. Ron English, Eastern Michigan | 918 |
| 5. Howard Schnellenberger, FAU | 918 |
| 5. Jeff Quinn, Buffalo | 918 |
| 8. Paul Rhoads, Iowa State | 919 |
| 9. x-Todd Berry, La.-Monroe | 920 |
| 10. Mike Price, UTEP | 920 |
The exercise included any head coach if they were in place at any point during an academic year from Aug. 1 to July 31 and were assigned that team's APR for that year. Each coach's average APR ranking included all years they were a head coach between 2003 and 2010, even if they were at more than one school in that time frame.
So now even though Strong has, by all accounts, done a complete 180 on the football program's academic performance, he has his name attached to this national piece of bad publicity.
*Grabs CBS article*
Charlie, you see this, all this shit?
*Drops article on official Card Chronicle desk*
It's not your fault.
Look at me, coach....It's not your fault. It's not your fault.
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His lingering presence
What else can you do?
by REALISTICCARDSFAN on Jun 15, 2011 10:39 PM EDT reply actions
i love the fact
that they dont’ include in there that…….“not that charlie strong has only been with louisville for one season…just now a full year..if that. so it does not reflect him as a head coach” racist bastards
Let's save the racist labels for situations where it actually exists.
This ranking may be a lot of things (bizarre, unfair, skewed, etc.) but it’s not racist.
by Carolina Cardinal on Jun 15, 2011 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
yeaaah.
This is a little misinformed. Racist? No. I hate to see that thrown around.
by James Sutherland on Jun 16, 2011 12:32 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Except for Mike Price at UTEP
Those are all new Coaches, or within 2 years of coaching.
by ville 606 on Jun 15, 2011 11:08 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Would have been nice (and fair) if the article at least mentioned this fact. But hey, it is CBS. Can't expect fairness from them.
Also, how can Kragthorpe have such terrible academics and STILL have such bad teams. This is a new low, even for Krag.
by Carolina Cardinal on Jun 15, 2011 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hahahaha
This breaks all of football rules.
Wow
3 coaches on here have connections/had connections to the Cards. HCCS, Ron English, and of course Schnellenberger. The only one at fault, however, is Schnellenberger…
There might be another thread between English and Schnelly in that they both operate within impoverished athletic departments, and I would speculate neither have the academic support staff they would like.
"Let me tell you a story. I was a political prisoner for two years. The instant I was released I ran to McDonald's. I had a Big Mac and a Coke.
It was fantastic."
-Toyama Koichi, US Presidential candidate from Japan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGZqOkeYbB0
Krags didn't give the players time to do their homework.
They had to read the books for his book club instead.
by CardinalDude on Jun 16, 2011 6:45 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
The really pathetic thing is not only that Krag was last, but by a huge margin.
There is only 20 points separating 2nd and 10th place and Krag was 30 points behind the second place team. Incredible.
by Carolina Cardinal on Jun 16, 2011 8:39 AM EDT reply actions
So, our APR was great prior to 2007?
Looks like this data reaches back to 2003. I guess anything better than “worst” prior to Krag justifies stone-throwing, huh?
Stout Out!
No
It may have been bad with Bobby Petrino but he won football games and it was just good enough to keep us from losing scholarships. Plus when Krag came he talked about cleaning up the program and focusing on the classroom as well as the field. He robbed U of L of 3-4 million dollars during his time here, plus fans of great football moments that we were starting to get used too. I don’t know what LSU was thinking. Les Miles could have hired Jamarcus Russell to come be offensive coordinator that that would have been better. “Its 3 and 15 and LSU runs a draw for the 4th straight play.”
I'm not defending Krag, to be clear.
I’m just saying that the trend may have been started well before Krag with players with “less than stellar academic ability” that remained through Krag’s tenure. That’s why I’m curious where our APR was in the several years prior to him showing up.
Stout Out!
This is from the NCAA APR site.
2004 – 2005 952
2005 – 2006 947
2006 – 2007 943
2007 – 2008 930
2008 – 2009 926
2009 – 2010 908
Wait a minute - with these numbers how do we get an average of 869?
The numbers above average 934. Granted that the year 2003-2004 is not included but it could not possibly be low enough to yield an 869 average. What gives?
by Carolina Cardinal on Jun 16, 2011 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Article above says.......................
“CBS compiled the APR averages for the 109 eligible football programs between the 2003-2004 and 2009-2010………..”
by Carolina Cardinal on Jun 16, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions
These are our single year scores
2003-04 970
2004-05 930
2005-06 938
2006-07 935
2008-09 912
2009-10 869
Good data. Thanks.
Basically, we were trending negatively before Krag and he didn’t reverse it in 3 years.
Stout Out!
True but look how much higher the Petrino years were (2003-2006) compared to Krag's (2007-2009)
Petrino 4 yr avg – 943
Kragthorpe 2 yr avg – 890
by Carolina Cardinal on Jun 16, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
So we may be unfairly blaming Krags for this
He barely got the kids to class and still managed to lose a lot of games. Petrino should take more of the blame, but winning softens the blow a bit.
Strong looks to be the best of both worlds. Winning, and getting them to class. Has is it been mentioned just how awesome Charlie Strong is?
So you're saying you pretty much bogeyed that post eh?
Been there.
by Carolina Cardinal on Jun 16, 2011 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Didn't I just bust you for that yesterday?
When will you ever learn? (sarcastic eye rolling tongue in cheek with a chuckle emoticon)
Stout Out!
LOL
No! Wait! I mean, um, that was quite funny.
by Leeroy Jenkins on Jun 16, 2011 9:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
YES
I think the descriptions of the emoticons are better than the emoticons themselves, not to mention less gay… NTTAWWT.
ALL HAIL
by Cardinal_Pride on Jun 17, 2011 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm secure enough in my heterosexuality and manhood to post any and all emoticons
They’re cool! On Y!Messenger there used to be tons!
Somebody needs to
blindside Krapthorpe on the LSU sideline (or in the box upstairs, which would be even better).
He's awesome but Petrino, Smith & Schnelly are my Top 3
…until Strong wins the Big East in ’12 & ’13.
by UL is my hot hot sex on Jun 16, 2011 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions
No doubt that it's the resultts that count.
Bu there is very little doubt that Coach Strong is a WINNER. From the way he checks in on the players in class, to the way he attracts and sells both recruits and coaches, to the way he motivates everyone around him, there is every reason to believe that he will produce on the field.
by Carolina Cardinal on Jun 16, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I dunno about John L
I don’t have the facts in front of me, but I remember thinking at the time that the biggest thing he did to improve our record was water down the schedule.
And Charlie hasn’t proven it yet, but Gary could be right. THe next few seasons will tell.
"...and the present, for us, is something that we really look forward to."
- Rick Pitino
Fair enough. He did discover Stefan LeFors though
Smith was the only D1 coach to offer LeFors a football scholarship. Good enough to make my Top 3. Plus, he consistently took the program to bowl games & helped set the stage for Petrino (his off. coordinator in ‘98 at L’ville).
by UL is my hot hot sex on Jun 16, 2011 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
This just goes to show what an EPIC-GINORMOUS-COLOSSAL-ASTRONOMICAL-WHOPPING FAILURE Krags was as a head coach.
All I can think about when I see this is how he used to talk about “doing it the right way” and how he was throwing Petrino players under the bus left and right, when it all started to go south, and labeling them as “Problem Guys.”
What a tremendous P.O.S. that guy was. All talk. No Walk.
This also makes me think of a story Eric Crawford told in one of his articles during the immediate aftermath of Krag-1-N1 epidemic that our program is apparently still feeling the residual affects of.
He talked about how he was in the lobby of the Trager center one afternoon talking to Bobby when Mario Urutia walked in with a ball cap on his head turned sideways.
When Bobby saw him he stopped the conversation with Mr. Crawford, walked over to Mario and escorted him out the front door, got right up into his bubble, and made him take the hat off and come back in the door without the cap on his head because under Petrino Baseball caps were not allowed in the Trager center.
Now, we might not have had a bunch of choir boys on the roster when Bobby was here, but they all walked the line that he had clearly defined and, if they didn’t they had to answer to him.
It’s good to know that HCCS has brought that kind of accountability back to our program, in more ways than one. It’s a shame that the lack of control Krags demonstrated is in anyway attached to the tremendous job Charlie is doing now.
by Chick-Stratino'sUrDaddy on Jun 16, 2011 10:34 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Krapthorpe
didn’t understand that he wasn’t there to be their buddy. They’re KIDS. Yeah yeah, I know that most are legally adults, but anyone over 30 understands that you’re still a kid at that age. And a lot of them come from families without strong male role models or father figures. The myth is that they want freedom and to do whatever they want to do. The reality is that most of them crave someone to impose reasonable rules and give them some direction. Guys like Krapthorpe don’t get that or it’s too hard for them to do it. Petrino was in many ways a jackass, but he got that part right. I think Strong might even be better at it. I seriously wish bad things on Krapthorpe. I want the Cosmos to pay him back for what he did to our program. If I ever saw him in person, I’d walk up and slap him. I really would. Not say a word… just slap his smug face and walk away. I’m 6’4" and 270… I doubt he’d come after me. F him. F him in the other ear, too.
by CardsRuleBE on Jun 16, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I had a press pass and was on the field
for the Louisville/Cincinnati game in Krags first year. If I knew then what I know now, I would be a Louisville fan legend, cause I would of knocked that mother fucker out cold!
by ville 606 on Jun 16, 2011 10:58 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
The gift that keeps on giving
HWSNBN at LSU-I give it a year. Back to high school in 3. Or retirement, he does have that million dollar buyout. Sweet.
Just when you think your detest for Krag can't get any worse
Chode.
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