Kentucky fans are taking this Enes Kanter news in stride
by Mike Rutherford on Jan 7, 2011 6:48 PM EST
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For the rest of you, buckle up, we're taking a field trip to crazy town as we look at the reaction of Kentucky fans (in particular their disdain for New York Times writer Pete Thamel) in the wake of the NCAA's denial of the Enes Kanter appeal.
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@petethamelnyt I hope your children are born paralyzed and they have to slither around like snakes in the grass like their fuckin' daddy
@topher859 @petethamelnyt I hope your fucking children suffer from dwarfism and autism
@petethamelnyt you fucking judas liberal I hope you become a blind mute paraplegic fuck the NCAA and fuck you and fuck your mother
Hope you're proud of yourself you vile inbred commie swine. you will choke on the scrotum of karma for your sins @petethamelnyt
The NCAA are a bunch of atheist duke fans to the committee that ruled enes ineligible I hope all of your first borns are slain in cold blood
@petethamelnyt you've successfully fucked enes how many more kids you gonna lube up and rape? You fucking pedophile
I'm savin up to hire Chris Hansen to bumrush @PeteThamelNYT before he can seduce another young boy with his unibrow/trunk full of free candy
@petethamelnyt I hope you get in a car crash tonight lose your vision and the use of your legs
@petethamelnyt I hope your wife leaves you for Mandingo and I hope you get caught for your child porn fetish you fucking freak
Will someone do some "behind the scenes" reporting on @petethamelnyt his likely-forged resume, and interest in child pornography?"
@petethamelnyt I wish plague and famine upon you and the #NCAA you all deserve swift nut kicks
@PeteThamelNYT fuck you!
you don't have to come and confess, we lookin for you, we gon fiiiiiiiiinnnd you @petethamelnyt
@PeteThamelNYT go to hell.
fuck @PeteThamelNYT I hope there house burns down and there homeless and get raped
@PeteThamelNYT boy-toucher.
Fuck the ncaa. They all hate uk bball. Keepin their noses up duke n nc's ass. Kanter shuld be able to play.
@fakegimel We're all fucking insane.
Feel the tradition. Feel the passion.
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The most vile, putrid, disgusting and embarrassing fan base,
HANDS DOWN. It’s not even close. UK fans make WVU fans look like goddamn MENSA members.
by uoflbezzle on Jan 7, 2011 6:53 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
That was special...
These people are beyond fucked up, and the saddest part is that they don’t even know it.
It's a sad story.
But some of our fans do suck, and these are apparently among them. Their behavior is unethical, unfortunate, and reflects poorly on us.
Let’s not lose perspective, though, I have several screenshots of Cardinal fans losing their minds over various things and posting similar. Karma, Card fans. Karma.
We all have our failures. These tweeters are apparently among them. As I say, it’s a sad story.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
Feel free to post them
People who say things along these lines behind the safety of the Internet deserve (at the very least) to be called out.
by Mike Rutherford on Jan 7, 2011 7:08 PM EST up reply actions 11 recs
Not my style.
Most are anonymous, anyway. Why “call out” an avatar?
Pity you couldn’t just ignore it. Too tempting, I suppose.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
THis is not something that should be swept under the rug
I know at UK it is the norm to lock the skeletons in the closet, i.e. eddie sutton, adolph rupp, rex chapman, eric bledsoe, eric manual, claude mills, joe b. hall etc etc
Don't understand why it would be your style to save screenshots but not your style to post them, but whatever
You know I like you and I love A Sea of Blue. These aren’t your guys…unless Kentucky Wild is on Twitter.
by Mike Rutherford on Jan 7, 2011 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
I have never seen
such filth spewed from even the most disgusting Cards fans on the internet. Good lord. This kind of crap only intensifies the nation’s hatred of these moronic lunatics.
by rmiles94 on Jan 7, 2011 7:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You haven't looked very hard then.
More likely, you just overlook it when you do see it.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
You could easily prove your point by just posting them.
Thus far, nobody has called you a liar. We just want to see the proof.
If you do have it, I would be thoroughly embarrassed to be associated with someone of such standards.
Yes, I surely could.
And violate my ethics for the convenience of those who would lump me in with a bunch of unethical folks merely because of my school loyalty.
I think not.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
Indeed not.
But I have learned not to publish the comments of others during moments of passion, anger, or frustration. I have often wanted to, and maybe have way back in the day. But I don’t anymore.
Idecided that it was rude and unfair, particularly for people who are not public figures or professional opinion-mongers. I would not want others to do that to me.
Considering what I would want done, and doing the same to others, is known as the “Golden Rule,” which is the cornerstone of the ethics I subscribe to.
So even if you were fine with it, I wouldn’t be.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
Wow.
Well, I guess it’s good you’ve decided to rise above everyone else.
I guess you’re just taking these screenshots and saving them for archival purposes, then?
No.
I take them in anger, thinking to post them, and then realize it would be wrong.
We are all tempted. :-)
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
you are certainly a class act then
what are you doing here now?
Wasting time, probably.
But that’s what the Internet is for, n’est ce pas?
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
Well, monsieur,
I must say your lecture would be taken a bit more seriously by the people here if you would tell us how much time you spend patrolling KSR lecturing them on ethics.
We can't choose our relatives ...
… or members of the Big Blue Nation.
I think you know how that works.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
Don't confuse Glenn or ASOB with Matt Jones and KSR
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71
"I would not want others to do that to me"
Yeah, but you’d never tell anyone (regardless of the situation) that you hoped all of there kids were born paralyzed, etc. No decent human being would.
by Mike Rutherford on Jan 7, 2011 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
Indeed. No argument there.
Although if I did, I wouldn’t want anyone else to post my careless statement made in the heat of anger on the Internet to embarrass me.
But that’s just me.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
BUT YOU WOULDN'T
Because you’re not an awful person. Awful people deserve to be embarrassed, especially when their actions are incredibly cowardly.
by Mike Rutherford on Jan 7, 2011 7:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I like to think ...
… that I’m not an awful person.
But I don’t agree that “awful people” who are not really awful, but sometimes do unimaginably stupid things, deserve to be embarrassed.
Just because a person makes an unimaginably stupid comment does not make them an awful person, just a momentarily deranged one.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
I can't see myself ever liking or being able to relate to anyone
who would ever say something like “I hope your children are all born paralyzed,” regarless of the extenuating circumstances.
But that’s just me.
by Mike Rutherford on Jan 7, 2011 7:43 PM EST up reply actions
To that end...
I can’t imagine myself ever saying things such as these, even in the “heat of anger.”
Let me get this straight, just so I understand.
If somebody said that, you would not like them. Even if they didn’t say it to you, or later apologized or were sorry for their comment, you would ostracisze them forever just for that utterance.
It my understanding correct, or do I exaggerate?
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
"I hope your children are all born paralyzed"
Nope, I think you’ve got it right.
I have not, nor could I imagine, any person I consider a friend saying anything nearly this hateful with any degree of seriousness.
I don’t think they deserve to be hung or anything…I just don’t ever want to hang out.
by Mike Rutherford on Jan 7, 2011 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
We see that differently, then.
Myself, I’m a “forgive and forget” kind of guy when it comes to statements made in the heat of passion. But I guess that’s not for everyone. Vive la différence.
But then again, why try to tar all UK fans with that unseemly behavior? Just askin’.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
We're not going to see eye-to-eye here, Glenn
I have almost as many good friends who root for Kentucky as I do good friends who root for Louisville. They are great people, as are many other Kentucky fans. That said, I think the proportion of Wildcat fans who consistently take things too far is higher than it is among most other fan bases.
Kentucky fans have a reputation. I think it’s justified. You obviously don’t.
I think that’s where things are always going to begin and end in conversations like this one.
by Mike Rutherford on Jan 7, 2011 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
The issue for me is more that anyone would make remarks like this over something as meaningless as a basketball player that will be (and has been) immensely successful despite the NCAA's ruling.
If someone would say things like this in this situation, you have to wonder how that person would react to something even marginally more personal. That’s a dangerous person with whom to associate.
this is probably going to simply make you more
frustrated than ever with UK fans, but calling that kid meaningless is something I find offensive myself
I am now and forever shall be The Cat In The Hat....The Artist formerly known as ABC!
by Greg Alan Edwards on Jan 7, 2011 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
The kid's situation is not meaningless
But it is (or should be) relatively meaningless to the person making the comments directed at Thamel.
I’m pissed Justin Coleman isn’t eligible, but it has not changed my life.
by Mike Rutherford on Jan 7, 2011 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
This won't change anyone's life, either.
It will merely be fodder for reprehensible comments which will later be used to illustrate fiction as fact.
Well, what can we do? Just like the Kanter ruling, we have to live with the unfairness of it all. :-)
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
No problem.
I’m out. Thanks for the great back and forth.
It’s been fun. And I mean that sincerely, to all of you guys.
Take care.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
Right
And those people hoping for Thamel to die in a car crash were doing so out of concern for the kid’s situation, not Kentucky’s loss of a talented recruit.~
"Screech, you CAN'T elope!"
"Who are you calling a cantaloupe, you melonhead?"
by rickmbari on Jan 7, 2011 9:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I never said the kid was meaningless.
If he is, in fact, innocent, then it’s a shame what has happened to him, and I feel bad for him. I feel bad for his family. What has failed to enter into this discussion thus far is how we feel about the NCAA’s rules, because they were clearly followed here. I personally think that the NCAA is corrupt and contradictory daily, but that’s not the issue here.
What I meant was that this kid is going to go on to be very successful in basketball, and already has been in Europe. For some fans to react this way over a (by the rules) correct ruling on a kid that they do not personally know and may never even meet or hang out with, is disturbing. The point is, this would scare me as to how they may react if something of this magnitude happened to someone they knew or themselves.
I know this is wrong.
So you’re right. We are not going to see eye to eye.
Kentucky fans have a reputation, but its mostly a good one, at least for a fan base. The problem is, too many Cardinal fans are willing to ignore reality in order to nourish their fantasy. That’s too bad.
But for me, I will speak for those who cannot speak for themselves. It’s thankless work, but I don’t mind.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
Well there you go
All I’ll say is this isn’t the first time you’ve had to come here and “speak for those who cannot speak for themselves” and defend the Kentucky fan base’s “mostly good” reputation. I’ve never had to do it on your site or any other one.
by Mike Rutherford on Jan 7, 2011 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
Heh.
More accurately stated, you’ve never deigned to take the trouble. :-)
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
No, that's not more accurate at all
KSR has “Louisville Hate Day.” They create all the posts themselves, they don’t take words or pictures posted by Louisville fans themselves. A couple of other Kentucky blogs also had similar “hate” posts leading up to the game last week. That’s cool.
I have not seen a situation on the Internet analogous to the one here, and therefore have had no cause to “defend the reputation” of the Louisville fan base.
by Mike Rutherford on Jan 7, 2011 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
Glenn is also not trying to make a career
out of enjoying aggravating people. Jones is.
I am now and forever shall be The Cat In The Hat....The Artist formerly known as ABC!
by Greg Alan Edwards on Jan 7, 2011 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
defending other people is a choice Mike....
just because you didnt choose to do it, doesnt mean it would not have been a good gesture
I am now and forever shall be The Cat In The Hat....The Artist formerly known as ABC!
by Greg Alan Edwards on Jan 7, 2011 8:22 PM EST up reply actions
This sort of reminds me of my debate on 4/16/10 with BlackWatch
The first time you posted the UK fan convo, though we (me included) were not nearly as civil or mature as Mr. Logan.
We disagree...a lot
But Glenn’s a good dude.
by Mike Rutherford on Jan 7, 2011 8:32 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah
I have no doubt he came in peace, but even when expressed calmly, I can’t agree with what he’s saying.
Also, this is all over a guy who has never played, on a top 10 team, for a program that has THREE top 6 guys coming next year. Maybe I’m naive, but I’d like to think that in similar circumstances, Cards fans could see the forest from the trees and have some perspective. Maybe not.
Shame on you, Mike!
Get out there and “defend” us!
We already have
We just need to get Glenn to post the screen shots
by Cardhoopster on Jan 8, 2011 7:25 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Well said Mike
I’m in the same boat and fortunately for me my UK friends are of the ‘sane’ variety. Heat of passion or not when you start spewing about paralysis of one’s kids I believe that reveals a pretty significant character flaw that isn’t just brushed aside by a simple, ’ My Bad’.
that's not really a choice of yours
people who do this deserve to be made an example of
agreed
but still….i mean holy sheet. look at some of those comments. I have tons of UK fans and we both agree that both fan bases can be red/ignorant/passionate etc…but I have never even thought to say some of these things. If my best friends had said some of these things we would part ways.
It’s a matter of principle and dignity. I have had to cut people out of my life for less, a lot less, than stuff like this…and I am by no means a pillar of ethics.
If the roles were reversed I would seriously have to consider who I associate with.
it’s a dangerous combo when you defend hostility with ignorance
Look, I have seen similar for years.
From Cardinal fans, from Yankee fans, from … all sorts of fans. Many people from every stripe use situations like these to indulge their basest fantasies. Sad, but a fact of life.
If you have not seen it before, consider yourself fortunate. Hang around the Internet long enough, and you will. I am not defending these people. To the contrary, I agree with you that it is absolutely loathsome.
Where we part ways is the idea that it’s alright to post other people’s comments not intended for you in order to mock them, and use them to demonize an entire group of people whom they do not represent.
If you don’t see the problem with that, I simply cannot help you.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
I think where we part ways is the idea that you consider yourself “above” re-posting these statements (which have already been posted; it isn’t as if you are exposing private conversations never intended to be public), but you aren’t above discussing that they exist or archiving their existence for whatever personal use.
by CARD_G6 on Jan 7, 2011 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Saying I consider myself "above" anything are your words, not mine.
I consider it a violation of my ethics to do so. I also consider it incredibly rude to attempt to tar an entire fan base by the actions of a few. Not just rude, really but offensive.
Yes, I know it is done all the time. That’s known as the “Golden Rationalization.”
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
You'll have to forgive us
In the past year we’ve had more than a few Kentucky fans register under several different user names and not represent the program in the most positive of ways.
by Mike Rutherford on Jan 7, 2011 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
I know.
Honestly, I would seriously consider a reciprocal ban on posters like that. I know some of those you speak of.
I am not happy about it, and have often thought on the matter of banning anyone who came over and baited you guys. I consider it a character flaw, and I could easily be persuaded to write it into the rules.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
Semantics are irrelevant.
The connotation of “violation of my ethics” is that you are of a higher moral fiber.
In either case, I think the issue here is that we, on this board, understand that you reposting said statements is not a matter of trying to rationalize what has been posted here, rather, evidence that Mike may have made a mistake in generalizing based on statements of a few because we have the same issue in our fanbase.
In any case, these statements should be public already on the Internet. You could just point us to their respective locations and let us judge them for ourselves.
No regular poster on this board would dispute that we have crazy fans
But even when some are willing to condemn the idiots in their fanbase, the immediate “well everyone has people like that” is flat out lazy. There are degrees of idiocy and classlessness, and to group them all together is unacceptable in any rivalry or sport.
Why is it lazy?
Is it not true?
Furthermore, what is the good in trying to claim these particular fools as representative of the UK fan base?
Is that fair? Is that what “rivalry” means to you? Just askin’.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
Again, to go back to what Mike and G6 have said
We are going to have to agree to disagree here. No one is offended that you won’t post stuff you think is equally terrible.
Maybe it’s as bad, maybe it’s not, but it’s just weird that you come on and claim that then refuse to disclose the info because it’s rude to the individuals who originally posted it. If it’s THAT bad, what’s rude are the original posts themselves. Surely you can see how we think that?
Nobody is saying that all UK fans are like this, obviously. I have a lot of friends that are perfectly rational, and some really irrational fans are UL friends who are fans. We can speak in generalizations all we want, but the bottom line is that I have never seen UL fans post anything this despicable in any forum, even though I know they HAVE posted despicable stuff. Calling Matt Jones an insufferable dolt and wishing paralysis on someone’s children are different. You say you have examples of the latter from our fanbase, but that you’re not at liberty to disclose them. Like Mike said, red and black, blue and white, those a-holes deserve to be outed IF IF IF you’re going to claim you have that kind of evidence.
Weird?
Not at all. In a thread designed to claim ethical superiority over a much larger number of people by mocking the representations of a few, I can hardly be faulted for being honest.
Nor can I be faulted for not doing what you wish.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
Semantics ...
… are what we have. We are not communicating in person, you know, but by the written word.
The connotation of "violation of my ethics" is that you are of a higher moral fiber.
So what your saying is that my ethical code defines yours? Because that’s what would be necessary for me to be “above” you on this matter.
People look at things differently. You challenged me to do something that I find distasteful and unethical, and now you call me out for trying to live by the standards I profess to live by.
How is that offensive to you in any way?
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
Relativity needs no reference standard.
Neither of our moral standards need to be defined for one to be higher (implied or otherwise) than the other. For instance, a moon is always smaller in size than that of its respective planet. I don’t need to know the size of the moon or the planet for that statement to be true.
Additionally, we did not challenge you to make the case that Louisville fans are just as egregious as these UK fans. You made that case yourself, we merely asked you for the evidence to support your claims. Taking the “higher road” would have been to never mention it in the first place, but you did that with no provocation. And now you seem reluctant to prove your case, which in essence, means you are libeling anonymous Louisville fans. Which, ironically, is at the core of your “ethics” argument.
Well, perhaps ...
… I never should have mentioned it.
Of course, in a thread designed to mock all UK fans by holding up some radicals as representatives of the mainstream, I forgive myself. :-)
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
Nobody you're currently debating with thinks these people represent UK fans
You keep saying that, and it just looks like you’re not reading our posts.
What we are saying is that this is more prevalent in your fanbase than you think, and that merely saying every fanbase has people who say stuff THIS vile crap is, in a sense, explaining it away. I know you’re not like that, I know most UK fans aren’t like that. But the passion which SOME of you have used to anoint yourselves as the best fans in the game often has a dark side, and this is that dark side.
by doctorofdunk on Jan 7, 2011 8:26 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
you make a good point
re: the re-posting of the comments….maybe they should be removed, I dunno maybe not
we would all be singing a very different tune if the tables were turned….however, that’s another place where we part ways. I never have to be concerned that some yahoo from nowheresville, USA that i have an affiliation with would actually say things like this to someone that they have never met.
This sort of behavior has certainly become very acceptable by the rest of the sane UK fans that I know…we’re passionate about our big blue, is the excuse, usually.
The Free Enes movement = a free pass for any UK idiot to threaten a journalists life and the lives of his children….what’s next, chopping his head off on a CCTV with blus bags over the executioners heads because the journalist wrote a derogatory piece about the UK God that is?
Yeah.
That’s unfortunately true. I wish I could offer an excuse for that behavior, but I cannot.
I can only say that most UK fans are not those guys. But I can hardly blame you for not taking my word.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
Opinions vary./blockquote>
Classic Roadhouse quote. Great job on that.
by Canaan Schladale-zink on Jan 7, 2011 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
The golden rule
If I posted some of this stuff, calling me out would only be doing the same thing that they’re doing to Thamel, only not as bad.
by Chris Redman is my hero on Jan 7, 2011 7:47 PM EST up reply actions
But it's OK to save them up and tell people you have them.
I smell something… is there a cattle ranch near here?
"Screech, you CAN'T elope!"
"Who are you calling a cantaloupe, you melonhead?"
I’m calling your bluff
Mike Marra is the worst Division 1 Starter in college basketball
by TheRealSlimShady on Jan 7, 2011 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
if we are playing poker
then these idiot cohorts of yours just put all UK fans “all-in” on a 7 deuce off suit.
How/why you are still here trying to make whatever point you are trying to is beyond me. I understand that there will always be a few bad apples in all realms of life especially sports. But seriously WHY ARE YOU HERE TRYING TO DEFEND THESE IDIOTS?
I’ve been in many a situation where my friends are getting arrested and the best thing to do is walk away before you get involved and try to learn something form it.
then please, enlighten me
why should I not be offended at these UK fans?
Enlightening those ...
… who have already made up their minds is usually an exercise in futility, is it not?
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
no, I am trying to figure out what your position is
are you one of these people who are trying to defend themselves? do you think this is appropriate behavior? are you just in the mood for arguing?
do you seriously think this (the comments made by your fan base) is humane/ethical?
The only people I am defending ...
… are the 99.9996% of innocent UK fans who have never said anything like this from being tarred with the brush of a few who have.
That’s the purpose of this thread, is it not?
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
Glenn Logan... I'm 56 and I know a lie when I hear one....
Put the "evidence" out there…or go away and shut up.
It’s real simple…
You can’t—no Louisville fan says this kind of insane sh*t. Yet, as Mike says, we endure a variety of this stuff at CC regularly. And we get guys like you constantly coming over and trying to defend the fan base.
Mike never has to do that, as he has stated. There is NO need to…
This is some of the most disgusting , vile filth I have ever seen spewed—anywhere- and that’s saying A LOT after 56 yrs of Rupp era UK fans screaming F-ing N-gger every other sentence, to WVU fans cursing and spitting on me and my wife, to Memphis fans—who are rabid, but docile in comparison.
Put it up …or shut up and go away …as a liar.
Umm…
Mike Marra is the worst Division 1 Starter in college basketball
by TheRealSlimShady on Jan 8, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
yes, please Glenn Logan
lets see the screen shots.
This is beyond efffed up. wishing paraplegia upon someone’s kids?
Glenn Logan should be worried about the Karma he/she may face for defending the actions of these fools…
I'm not just saying this to rile up UK fans...
but I’m seriously embarrassed for the image that these fans give the commonwealth of Kentucky, a state that I am extremely proud to call my birthplace.
Just sad.
by quiet cardinal on Jan 7, 2011 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
As passionate as I am about Louisville sports
I just can’t comprehend someone being so outrageously consumed and vindictive by an NCAA ruling about one player who they’ll forget about within three years.
You’d think Pete Thamel’s reporting led to the permanent closing down of UK’s entire athletic department…
Five Memorable South Florida Bulls
Is TOTALLY getting overshadowed.
by Mike Rutherford on Jan 7, 2011 7:24 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
i know you worked hard on it too
it’s a shame; I really enjoyed the piece and could only come up with ferguson, dominique
Holy shit.....
Those people are insane, and I’m a UK fan….
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71
*SMDH*
I can’t believe how many UK “fans” really thought the NCAA would rule him eligible. I’m a UK fan and I knew he wouldn’t be. The outrage shows that yes some UK fans are completely out of touch with reality. I’m glad that they will let him stay on and have his education. I mean, afterall, if basketball doesn’t go through anyone (regardless of school) should have that to fall back on.
by Melissa 'Bickett' Smith on Jan 7, 2011 7:38 PM EST reply actions
Agree
Although I think he just may still have a future in basketball.
by Mike Rutherford on Jan 7, 2011 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
I agree...
…there are rumors flying about that he could be a top five NBA draft pick but honestly I doubt that. I’m not doubting his talent, but with that “cloud” so to say hanging over his head will make him have that need to work that much harder. I just would like since he and his family fought so hard to make him eligible that he would at least try to work on his schooling but as I know money speaks alot louder than anything.
by Melissa 'Bickett' Smith on Jan 7, 2011 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
The NBA doesn't really care about amateur status or overseas eligibility status.
Every year, players are taken from Europe without a second thought, even ones that never tried to play in the US.
The NBA doesn't care about clouds over peoples heads
Just saying
Then it comes to be that the soothing light at the end of your tunnel, is just a freight train coming your way...
@btcoop71
Barring something catastrophic occurring between now and this summer
Kanter will be a lottery pick.
by Mike Rutherford on Jan 7, 2011 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
I realize you guys feel a need to bring this to light
and that’s fine, even understandable. But refusing to acknowledge that this group of people to which you refer is such a small part of UK’s fanbase is really an undefensible position.
I am now and forever shall be The Cat In The Hat....The Artist formerly known as ABC!
by Greg Alan Edwards on Jan 7, 2011 8:15 PM EST reply actions
Isn't the fact that you've been over here like 20 times after UK fans have incited riots evidence to the contrary?
by Mike Rutherford on Jan 7, 2011 8:27 PM EST up reply actions
I was not aware of any UK fans inciting riots??
Something on CNN I missed?
You guys have let Matt Jones and his ilk get your group torn up like there is no tomorrow again. He lives for that stuff. If you don’t make such a case over it, he would have just gone away. Now all the hits and publicity he gets have managed to snowball into a TV show, AND a radio show IN LOUISVILLE. Listened to his stuff lately? He loves to get UL fans on the air and carve them up…..
He is an overgrown teenager with a law degree and you guys are turning him into a cult figure.
I am now and forever shall be The Cat In The Hat....The Artist formerly known as ABC!
by Greg Alan Edwards on Jan 7, 2011 8:33 PM EST up reply actions
I was not aware of any UK fans inciting riots?? Something on CNN I missed?
Yeah, we’re done.
by Mike Rutherford on Jan 7, 2011 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
Being overly dramatic wont change a thing, I get the angst and the volatility
but as the guy who runs things arpund here, don’t you feel a bit of responsibility to be above some of this stuff?
I am now and forever shall be The Cat In The Hat....The Artist formerly known as ABC!
by Greg Alan Edwards on Jan 7, 2011 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
You're right
I’m the issue here. It’s shameful.
by Mike Rutherford on Jan 7, 2011 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
I didnt say you were the issue Mike.....
but given an opportunity NOT to further the hate, you seem to be choosing to do the opposite. Would a post on acting appropriately not have accomplished the same thing without seeming so negative?
If I am wrong, my apologies.
I am now and forever shall be The Cat In The Hat....The Artist formerly known as ABC!
by Greg Alan Edwards on Jan 7, 2011 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
No offense to either of you personally
But even if I was a UK fan, I wouldn’t read A Sea of Blue. A lot of us enjoy Mike more because he is just one of us, not an implacable voice of reason above the fray. If I wanted to be preached to, there are plenty of print publications that would be only too happy to oblige.
We're not turning him into a cult figure
UK fans are doing that. We’re taughing at him.
"Screech, you CAN'T elope!"
"Who are you calling a cantaloupe, you melonhead?"
The smart-ass in me can't help it
To answer #3 in the pic. If $9000 = 9 games then $33000 = 33 games or roughly one season. He is most likely entering the draft next year no matter what so in his case that is forever.
and if the NCAA would have just said that very thing, then I would have had zero problem with it.
I am now and forever shall be The Cat In The Hat....The Artist formerly known as ABC!
by Greg Alan Edwards on Jan 7, 2011 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
So you think the NCAA was wrong to rule him ineligible?
"Screech, you CAN'T elope!"
"Who are you calling a cantaloupe, you melonhead?"
I honestly have mixed feelings about his eligibility. The money concerns me, but the NCAA opened the door, so they have no one to blame for their pathetic stance in this.
What I do not have mixed feelings about is the NCAA and their hypocracy when it comes to this kind of thing…….
Cam Newton is playing for an NC in football.
Enes Kanter is going to have to work as a coach to get to work with a collegiate basketball program.
I guess you can get a “little bit pregnant” afterall.
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by Greg Alan Edwards on Jan 7, 2011 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
As sad as this is, the circumstances behind this is even worse.
This is over a kid who is not allowed to play basketball because he violated a rule. They are not denying him an education. Whether he was ruled eligible or not he would be entering the draft next year no matter what so one year education is all he was going to get. If he was not a top-5 NBA caliber talent these fans would not react near this way. If he was a Justin Coleman type player they would be upset, as we were, but not near this upset. All it shows is selfishness and lack of class.
no, they did not deny him an education.....they denied him an opportunity
and actually, I wouldnt care if he was the waterboy, the underlying NCAA hypocracy is what is the true culprit here. Reactions of idiots do nothing to make it any better though, you are right.
I am now and forever shall be The Cat In The Hat....The Artist formerly known as ABC!
by Greg Alan Edwards on Jan 7, 2011 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
I hate what the NCAA does as much as anyone
They are a complete joke. They cheat so many people through so many things you can’t even count. With the BCS, eligibility, the way they punish people and so on, college sports have become a joke. The point I was making is that if he was not such a talent the reaction would not be as large. You say you would care about a waterboy, and you might, but 90% of people wouldn’t. They care more about the success of they’re team than the individual players.
by indianacardfan on Jan 7, 2011 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
agreed.....and I understand the loathing.....
I am now and forever shall be The Cat In The Hat....The Artist formerly known as ABC!
by Greg Alan Edwards on Jan 7, 2011 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
As far as I know, UK can still give him a sholarship.
They just can’t let him practice or play with the team.
So since UK fans’ concern is for the kid, they should be all over Calipari to give the kid a scholarship and get a walk-on to take his place on the team.
"Screech, you CAN'T elope!"
"Who are you calling a cantaloupe, you melonhead?"
He is keeping his scholarship. Cal already made that clear.
I am now and forever shall be The Cat In The Hat....The Artist formerly known as ABC!
by Greg Alan Edwards on Jan 8, 2011 5:07 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
THen what opportunity is the NCAA denying him? All he was promised was an education, not playing time.
"Screech, you CAN'T elope!"
"Who are you calling a cantaloupe, you melonhead?"
Bull......and to be honest, coming from a Louisville fan I expected a better understanding
of the experience of playing college ball. You know, for some people, not all but some, there is more to this than the money and the job it gets you. Yes, Enes Kanter is going to be a very wealthy man in a year or two. He will be rolling in the cash, riding in limos and getting his name on a shoe contract.
And yet, even knowing all of this, he AND his parents wanted him to get the experience of playing college basketball. Things like that hang with you for the rest of your life. The experience of playing with a group of kids who are playing because they love the game, not because they are making 100K a night to do it.
Louisville is supposed to also be about traditions, or at least that’s what I am told.
Alumni from your school get together and relive things they did and games they played that will be remembered forever. Most kids just want to be a part of that. Calipari has said he will make sure the Enes is denied nothing from Kentucky and that is the honorable thing to do, and I applaud him for it. But it does not replace the experience of being on the court, playing in big time college games and what you get from those moments.
I am now and forever shall be The Cat In The Hat....The Artist formerly known as ABC!
by Greg Alan Edwards on Jan 8, 2011 11:20 AM EST up reply actions
And that's wjat all the UK fas are upset about. Kanter is not going to have the college experience.
Bullshit.
"Screech, you CAN'T elope!"
"Who are you calling a cantaloupe, you melonhead?"
LMFAO @ UK Way to represent your school!
Seriously though, I feel your pain cat fans. A few racist nazi redneck blood bags post a bunch of hate speech on Twitter, and everyone thinks UK has no class. In the same vein, Louisville fans get tired of being stereotyped as wearing line beards.
I bet Mr. Logan even has pictures of these line beard wearing fans, out in public disrespecting our university with their urban gear. Thank you for not posting sir.
Typical B/S from a sUcK fan, trying to claim some sort of moral high ground when defending his fellow fans. Why are you trying to use the “Your fans do it to” argument? It’s not valid. The jerks who posted the vile comments deserve to be outted and if you really did have some ethics when a UL fan or anyone elses comment is that are like that then out them or you’re no better than they are because the world judges you to be in agreement if you say nothing.
by CaryluvstheCards on Jan 7, 2011 8:52 PM EST reply actions
So, on a college sports blog, you are saying that ignorance is the answer,
instead of trying to educate those involved?
I am now and forever shall be The Cat In The Hat....The Artist formerly known as ABC!
by Greg Alan Edwards on Jan 7, 2011 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
If I had any information
that would out these morons, I would do it instantly. As far as I am concerned these tweets are terroristic threats and should be punished. I am a UK fan but this crosses the line and is not defensible.
I woke up feeling BLUE this morning. It's gonna be a great day.
by kywineman on Jan 7, 2011 8:54 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
This is hilarious
it is friday night and we are all (myself included) wrapped up in this ridiculous twitter drama. If you go and actually look at this @ChaseBowling ‘s profile, you will see that he and his friends were making these ridiculous posts as a joke – and while that doesn’t make it OK to wish harm on another’s family/children – it is really sad that you guys are turning them into “horrible people” and implying that all Kentucky fans are acting the same way (which you did imply in the very title of this post). They are obviously young guys that don’t realize that on Twitter what you say is not just between you and your buddies, it is for the whole world to see.
Except they're bragging about "being famous," "getting talked about on ESPN"
and “standing up for big blue nation.”
Other than that…
by Mike Rutherford on Jan 7, 2011 9:12 PM EST up reply actions
Somebody call a time out!
Time is out on the field!!!
Do you guys realize that you’re missing a very good Cotton Bowl between LSU and Texas A&M? I’m just sayin’….
Okay…time is back in!
Let ’er rip!
Exactly!
its a big joke to them. Do you REALLY think they meant, in their heart of hearts, everything they said??? I mean you think they are truly evil people? Its TWITTER for shit’s sake. And they’re normal guys, as in NOT sportswriters/bloggers, so of course they think it’s cool they’re getting mentioned on ESPN
I'm not
saying what they said towards Thamel is OK. I’m saying you guys need to chill the fuck out on condemning them and the rest of the fan base to hell.
by Bluegrass_Brad on Jan 7, 2011 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
I don't get it
Pete Thamel is a reporter for the New York Times, not even a columnist.
His job is to find the facts and report them.
I will admit the ‘sexier’ side of the story is anything he can find negative on Kanter, but journalists are in place in many ways to police society.
Thamel did nothing different than the reporters looking for information on Pryor or the reporters looking for information on Newton or the reporters looking for information on Selby.
He found facts…reported them…and the NCAA followed up on these facts, verified them, and made a ruling.
How is Thamel to blame?
Have you no shame?
Have you no morals?
by Mike Rutherford on Jan 7, 2011 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
Kentucky fans are taking this post in stride
by Final4Galore on Jan 7, 2011 10:10 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
Glenn Logan... I'm 56 and I know a lie when I hear one....
Put the “evidence” out there…or go away and shut up.
It’s real simple…
You can’t—no Louisville fan says this kind of insane sh*t. Yet, as Mike says, we endure a variety of this stuff at CC regularly. And we get guys like you constantly coming over and trying to defend the fan base.
Mike never has to do that, as he has stated. There is NO need to…
This is some of the most disgusting , vile filth I have ever seen spewed—anywhere- and that’s saying A LOT after 56 yrs of Rupp era UK fans screaming F-ing N-gger every other sentence, to WVU fans cursing and spitting on me and my wife, to Memphis fans—who are rabid, but docile in comparison.
Put it up …or shut up and go away …as a liar.
I think he's already gone
he got tired of people asking him to put up or shut up.
"Screech, you CAN'T elope!"
"Who are you calling a cantaloupe, you melonhead?"
If you knew even one iota about Glenn Logan you would know that he despises
lying in any form……from any source….and your labelling him a liar is more a testament to your ignorance that his. I can understand your experiences in the last 30-40 years in this sport. I understand that you feel a seething hatred for people that I would not give air to if I had them in a jug, but lashing out at Glenn Logan solves nothing. And frankly, if you are the kind of fan I am giving you the benefit of the doubt that you are, it is beneath you.
There are idiotic Kentucky fans. There are moronic Boston fans. There are psychotic LA fans. They are an embarassment to the vast majority of good fans that are out there. It is a fact. I wish it were not, but it is. But there are also fans in your fanbase that are for lack of a better term, “less than honorable”. That is also a fact that I wish was not.
I am now and forever shall be The Cat In The Hat....The Artist formerly known as ABC!
by Greg Alan Edwards on Jan 8, 2011 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
I knew this was going to happen.
Too much glee from the guys in blue after beating us last week. They are caught up in a swoon of false superiority that is sending them over the edge.
Or the meth is starting to run bad. Wow-nuts. I don’t remember death threats over Muhammad Lasege. Or Telfair. Or even Teague.
this thread was incredible
and scene…
by Cambroni Cardinals on Jan 8, 2011 9:50 AM EST reply actions
William Jennings Bryan v. Clarence Darrow
"Screech, you CAN'T elope!"
"Who are you calling a cantaloupe, you melonhead?"
They should have a poll on ESPN for Worst College Fans...
UK would win in a landslide victory. #2 would be West Virginia.
Duke would be up there
"Screech, you CAN'T elope!"
"Who are you calling a cantaloupe, you melonhead?"
but you guys are a class act.........
I am now and forever shall be The Cat In The Hat....The Artist formerly known as ABC!
by Greg Alan Edwards on Jan 10, 2011 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks, we like to think so.
"Screech, you CAN'T elope!"
"Who are you calling a cantaloupe, you melonhead?"
@golfmanky1982
Hmm, let’s see; maybe because Kanter was paid over three times more than Selby?? Just maybe????
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by LORD KAYOSS on Jan 8, 2011 11:14 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Wow...
Out of all things to be pissed off about. All this because some asshole they’ve never met or really care about can’t play basketball for Kentucky. Talk about a pathetic existence. Losers.
and that is why you, my friend cannot be a UK fan......players are not to be referred to
that way for any reason
I am now and forever shall be The Cat In The Hat....The Artist formerly known as ABC!
by Greg Alan Edwards on Jan 10, 2011 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
Because UK fans are so genteel.
Give me a break.
"Screech, you CAN'T elope!"
"Who are you calling a cantaloupe, you melonhead?"
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