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What does everyone think about the bomb that the Pac-10 dropped this weekend that they plan to destroy the Big 12 and expand by 6.  I for one think it is good for us (and possibly great), and here is why:

The Big 10 expansion would have ruined the BigEast.  Their proposed plan would have pilfered us but not totally dismantled the BigEast.  It would have left the rest of the conference looking to fill the holes left by losing Pitt, Rutgers and possibly Syracuse with the likes of Memphis, ECU, UCF, or even Delaware.  That many directional schools in one conference means lots of tuesday and thursday night games.

With the Pac10 blowing up the Big 12, the two big remaining East Coast confs (SEC and ACC) will probably be forced to expand as well.  That means there will be 4 and possibly 8 spots (highly unlikely though) to fill in those two conference and we would definitely get the call "up to the big leagues" at that point.  In this hypothetical situation, assume that Pitt and Rutgers have already bolted for the new Big 10. 

The ACC seems much more likely to want to expand than the SEC, so lets just assume our worst case scenario that the SEC stays put (cause they can) and the ACC adds 4 to match up with the other 2 superconferences that have magically formed.  Since The big 10 has taken Nebraska, Mizzou, Notre Dame, Pitt and Rutgers, that leaves the Big East with UL, UC, WVU, Syracuse, UConn, and USF.  Out of that group, who do you think would fit best in a new ACC?  My first sentiment would be Syracuse, UConn to solidify their New England base that they broke into by grabbing BC 5 yrs ago. 

That leaves two more spots for either UL, WVU, Cincy and USF (I'm assuming that the ACC won't consider any other programs because they wouldn't have the football clout any of us would have.)  I think the two gems out of this group would be us and WVU.  WVU is natural rivals with Maryland, UVA and VaTech, and we are the strongest standalone program out of the group. I really think UCs lack of facilities, tradition, class, etc. will leave them on the outside looking in and I would say that the USF experiment has failed (they are not a sleeping giant, they are just a giant commuter school in Florida and inserting them into a major conference has done nothing to change that. Oh and btw Tampa is an even more apathetic sports town than Miami - see Rays, Devil). 

With that said, there are still more possibilities out there.  What do you think are the possibilities of the SEC expanding (our dream scenario) and taking UL and  WVU?  Or what about another quasi-CUSA with the remaining BEast schools picking up Kansas and Memphis?

I know there are a million possibilities, I just want to see if any of the crazy ones flying around in my head seem plausible to any of you.  All I do know is that our captain, Ol' Tommy Jurich, is going to make us a player.  He's seen us this far and as the end of the journey draws near you know he's going to get us to the finish line.

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I know all of the big money people dont agree, but I really hope you guys get into the SEC

I will always believe that Louisville is a natural fit for the SEC, both in location and branding. Put you guys in the West, or in a newly formed other division ( the experts think if the SEC realigns it should be in 4 divisions) and bring y’all in. I think that UL, WVU, Kansas and K-State would be great for the roundball side of things. Not a ton of football there yet, but all have respectable programs. Besides, a conference with Kansas, Kentucky, Louisville, WVU, and Florida and Tennessee would be the single most powerful basketball conference out there.

I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Jun 7, 2010 10:29 AM EDT reply actions  

I've always thought

That would be our biggest roadblock to the SEC…Big Blue nation. The animosity for anything Louisville in this state may be enough to keep the Cards out of the SEC.

But it’s nice to see a Cat see past the rivalry and say that we really do belong there more than anywhere else.

by drhustle on Jun 7, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Alabama pretty much owns the state

in terms of fandom, but somehow it works out OK with Auburn down there so it can be done. SEC is a nice conference, but I struggle getting my head around things. I know it’s all about money and making a super conference is the way to do that. SEC is generally small college towns and not urban area universities which is unlike most Big East schools (such as UofL). I guess none of that matters (nor does the names of the conferences-Pacific AC 10 with 14 members and some closer to Gulf of Mexico, WVU is in the Southeast?).

At any rate I think we are very attractive to any conference. We have great facilities, an amazing AD, great fan base, big state school, urban location, etc.

I’d be happy with things staying they way they are in Big East (minus South Florida-still don’t get that one even with the ‘large alum’ base argument).

Maddie in PDX

by kentuckybred on Jun 7, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly I dont think you will have too many members of the BBN complaining.

The problem here is money. And TV markets. And as much as I hate to admit it, I really do understand the need behind all of these mergers. I don’t like them, but I understand them. The somewhat prevailing opinion is that the SEC should be looking to add 2 schools right away, and maybe 2 schools in 2-4 more years. I know that West Virginia is a prime target for fans, as well as Florida State, Virginia, and maybe some others if they cannot land the Texas group and the monstrosity that goes along with it.

I honestly believe the SEC will act sooner than later, because they are not going to want to be left picking over what teams remain, but I could be wrong. I really think the PAC-10 and Big-10 divide up the Big 12 and The SEC and ACC split up the best of the Big East. Anyway it happens, some will be running for the cover of a BCS conference, in whatever manner they can get there.

I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Jun 7, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would much rather be in the ACC

I would rather compete regularly with UNC, Duke and Maryland in basketball. And also compete with VA Tech, Miami and BC in football on a regular basis. The SEC has been down in basketball for many, many years, and there aren’t any teams (besides UK) that shows that trend will be changing anytime soon. I think there is much better competition regarding both baskteball and football for us in the ACC.

by $1Kcard on Jun 7, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Tennessee has been pretty decent in basketball.

And let’s not forget that Florida won back to back championships just three years ago. If Donovan can get things back on track, the SEC can be decent in basketball. No Big East, but certainly on part with the ACC in my opinion.

The problem with UofL in the SEC is that it doesn’t open up a new market. UK pretty much has the state covered. We don’t bring any extra regional coverage to the SEC like we would to the ACC or Big 12.

by CARD_G6 on Jun 7, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is the thinking of the Big Money People at this point.

It sucks really because it puts a natural rivalry out in the cold, when it could be so much more with multiple meetings per year (at least in basketball).

I do wonder one thing though, what is the BCS going to do when it starts having title games, or bowl games that are simply one more conference game for the participationg teams??

If these big time bowls are ok with that then fine, but who wants to see Florida and Texas battle it out for the third time in a year? Or Tennessee/Oklahoma??

I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Jun 7, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's the problem with these super conferences.

If Texas-Florida or Oklahoma-Alabama or whatever combination happens during the regular season, they wont’ meet in the BCS championship until there’s a playoff season. Some of the big teams will lose during the regular season. What’s going to end up happening in this situation is that you’re either going to get the SEC champ vs the Big Ten champ or vs the PAC10 champ (or some combination thereof), or they’re all going to beat up on each other and you’re going to end up with an undefeated ACC team against Boise (or TCU or Utah or whoever that year). I don’t think the BCS is looking forward to that being a recurring possibility.

by CARD_G6 on Jun 7, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I feel like this football season will determine our fate.

If we show that we are on the rise and can win some games then we will get attention from the SEC and the ACC and we should be able to join them.

by yep_yeppers on Jun 7, 2010 10:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Its all Krags Fault

if this conversation were taking place 4 or 5 years ago when UL was winning high profile games and making bowl appearances, then we would already be getting offers from the other conferences, but since 3 years of Krag-ball we have slipped significantly. Even with our basketball tradition, the conference realignment is all about football and the money it brings in. If CCS can turn things around this year that will give us a leg up on other school as conference realignment talks continue.

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Go Gards!

by ULcardsfan502 on Jun 7, 2010 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Absolutely.

If this were 2006, I think the Big 12, SEC, and ACC would be looking very strongly at us. To be able to get a recent Final Four and BCS bowl-winning team would be hard to pass up for any conference. I still think the Big Ten snobs would turn their noses up at us, but eff em.

But yes, we’ll have to see how this season goes. If we can turn it around in both sports we’ll be an attractive proposition, especially if we can keep all our other sports on the upside as they currently are.

by CARD_G6 on Jun 7, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought this was a place for Cards fans to voice their opinions??

by I miss Wheat! on Jun 7, 2010 1:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Hey, ABC is being really positive

and he’s not spreading any propaganda or slander. I frequent aSoB (among other sites) and as long as people are respectful they should be able to post wherever (no rules against it). We need more of this instead of the walls we try to put up. If you notice he’s seems to be writing some supportive comments. Ever see some of the other stuff commenters write?

Maddie in PDX

by kentuckybred on Jun 7, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

ABC is nice contributor on this topic. Please think about contributing to the topic at hand yourself before being rude.

I for one value the opinion of someone from a SEC or ACC school on this subject.

by Remote Cardinal on Jun 7, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

didnt mean to butt in.....just think that if the peoplr at the top could see past the

almighty dollar for a change, UL in the SEC is a good fit…..please forgive the intrusion

I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Jun 7, 2010 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Easy there, killer.

If he’s not trolling (which he’s not), then I think we can have a civil conversation with him.

by CARD_G6 on Jun 7, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I promise, the only thing I troll for is Stripers.......

20-50 lb range…..this is one thing we should all be united on in this state. I think your guy TriviaGeek may be closer to the truth than anyone (although I am not so sure about Texas being a lock to go to the SEC), I dont necessarily like it, but I think he is really close.

I AM THE CAT......The Cat In The Hat!!!

by ALLBLUCAT on Jun 7, 2010 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sure there are other things we can be united about...

Kentucky bourbon, Derby, country ham, beer cheese, Keeneland, Red River Gorge, women in spring dresses, Ale-8-One, etc.

Maddie in PDX

by kentuckybred on Jun 7, 2010 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

As long as we end up in a major conference (BCS guarneteed) after the dust settles...

I don’t really care. SEC or the ACC would be leaps and bounds better than a broken and duck taped Big East or a CUSA v2.0

by Remote Cardinal on Jun 7, 2010 1:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Only brand I use!

(I know it’s duct tape, just a mental error there)

by Remote Cardinal on Jun 11, 2010 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

Better than the other duct tapes I’ve come across.

by guyngreen on Jun 11, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Louisville is not joining the SEC, even though UK wants us to

Look, the spark that started this realignment fire is the Big Ten TV network, which was mocked when it began but now pours literally ten times as much money into the Big Ten as does BCS Bowl revenue. The Big Ten Network has turned non-revenue sports into revenue generators (not big ones, but still, more than they were) by giving them a TV outlet and ensures that even third-tier Big Ten hoops and football games get nationally televised. The reason the Big Ten wants to expand is to expand the reach of that network. The Big Ten gets higher subscription fees from cable providers in markets where there is a “home” Big Ten team.

Painful though it may be to admit, Louisville is already a “home” SEC market because of the following UK has here. This is the same reason why Pittsburgh — as a natural a fit for the Big Ten as ever there was, given history, rivalries, geography and academics — isn’t highly mentioned for inclusion in the Big Ten. Penn State already gives the Big Ten Network the Pittsburgh market.

Missouri, meanwhile, gives the Big Ten half of Kansas City and all of St. Louis. Some combination of Rutgers, UConn and Syracuse gives the Big Ten the New York City market (they hope). Notre Dame has a national following, but don’t doubt that the Big Ten inviting the Irish is as much a play for the New York “subway alumni” audience as anything else.

UK — contrary to conspiracy theory — would LOVE to have Louisville in the SEC. First, the Louisville/Kentucky football game becomes a conference game, which means UK can keep reaping the ticket and TV revenue from the Governor’s Cup game AND free up a spot on their football schedule for an additional patsy nonconference opponent. That’s having their Wildcat cake and eating it, too. Second, UofL and UK in the same conference means at least two and possibly three Dream game hoops matchups each year (depending on the conference tournament). While that might “devalue” the games in fans’ eyes, it would be a cash cow for both Kentucky and Louisville, and would finally generate nearly as much TV interest (revenue) in the rivalry as the ESPN-flacked Duke/UNC rivalry.

Louisville is in good shape for the coming realignment in that we have great revenue generation, fans willing to travel, some national cachet in basketball, growing cachet in baseball, and the chance to recapture cachet in football. Adding us means you can grab lots of eyeballs for those second-tier revenue generators like baseball, women’s hoops, and volleyball, and you can get plenty of sellable hoops and football games given our head coaches and their storylines. What hurts us is that Louisville is the #48 TV market in the country. Greenville, SC, Harrisburg, PA, and Birmingham, AL all bring more TV households than us.

Eyeballs are all that matter in this realignment mess, and we haven’t got that many to sell. Moreover, the viewership Louisville can bring to the table is already available to the SEC by virtue of Kentucky. The Big Ten won’t have us because we’re not academically compatible. It seems naive to think academics would matter when this is clearly all a decency-be-damned money grab, but the Big Ten wants at least the illusion of academic excellence, and Louisville doesn’t have the TV market to override that need for classroom cover. That leaves the ACC. If the Atlantic Coast Conference doesn’t make a play for Louisville, then we’re stuck in whatever is left of the Big East, or we get demoted back to C-USA.

That said, I believe we will end up in the ACC.

For all the talk about dismantling the Big East, the Big 12 is the conference in trouble. It’s TV contracts run through 2015 with ESPN, so they can’t maneuver. The Big 12 is one of the worst major conferences at earning TV revenue, largely because their schools are stuck in flyover country and flyover time zones that don’t accommodate East Coast TV schedules. And, most importantly, the Big 12 has Texas, the biggest prize of all in this realignment war. Texas is the most profitable sports program in the country. They command the most eyeballs, bring in the most money. It’s Texas that every conference wants.

That’s why the Big Ten has mentioned Texas, even though it makes no geographic sense. That’s why the Pac 10 leaked a possible expansion scenario that included half the Big 12, particularly Texas. That’s why it’s been made known that the SEC almost brought in Texas during its 1991 expansion, and would be willing to do so again. It isn’t the Big Ten that control what happens in conference realignment; it’s Texas that holds all the cards.

And Texas will pick the SEC. The Southeastern Conference is the place where Texas can earn the most money, period. But Texas will require that Texas A&M come along, for tradition’s sake and for political reasons. If they truly had their way, they’d get Oklahoma and OK State to come too. The first to preserve the Red River Rivalry, the second to appease Oklahoma. Those four schools, incidentally, are the jewels of the Big 12. This expansion takes the SEC to 16 teams, which split into 8-team divisions and play a title game. Arkansas, LSU, Mississippi and Ole Miss go west, the remainder stay East. The new SEC TV network gets rich showing Texas-Alabama or Oklahoma-Florida SEC title games.

The Big Ten now has to counterpunch, and now has to add some Big east schools to secure that New York market and keep up with the SEC in the money race. But if the Big Ten adds some or all of the Syracuse/Uconn/Rutgers triad, it will have to also add Missouri and Nebraska just to make two balanced 8-team divisions that don’t separate Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State and Penn State.

This leaves the ACC picking third, with only the remainder of the Big East to choose from. Iff the ACC is picking from four of the remaining five or six Big East teams, there’s simply no way Louisville gets left out. Cincinnati and USF (Tampa) have bigger markets but they can’t deliver those markets. More to the point, Tampa is a non-factor because Miami and Florida State already have that territory locked up for the ACC. West Virginia, Louisville, and whoever is left among Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Rutgers and UConn will be the ACC’s choices. The ACC reclaims its hoops supremacy with the acquisition, and has enough football to at least pretend to be a BCS player.

Maybe it’s just blind optimism, but if this is how the conference meltdown shakes out, Louisville is sitting very pretty. We’re back in the best hoops conference and the most winnable major football conference. We’re still in a conference that has ties to both the Northeast populations centers and hoops recruiting grounds and the fertile Florida football markets and recruiting goldmines.

Oh, and as for Kentucky. They’re still king of SEC hoops and even more of a doormat in SEC football — but the second part won’t matter because they’ll be making so much money getting crushed by the Tide, the Gators and the Longhorns.

by TriviaGeek on Jun 7, 2010 1:59 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Wow

nice take. It all makes sense to me when you put it like that with lots of numbers and apparent research to back it up.

Next question…What then become of the Big East? Does it just die or become the new C-USA?

Welcome to the Card Chronicle. It appears you are an objective UofL fan.

Maddie in PDX

by kentuckybred on Jun 7, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Big East ceases to be BCS

The Big East brand still has value, and it will take 3 years of failing to qualify in the BCS top ten (I think) to get de-certified as a BCS league, but if the Big East has no D-IA football-playing members, I think that’s a moot point. If things shake out as I predict, there will be at most one or two football schools left in the Big East after the poaching. It might hang around as “technically still a BCS league” for a three years, with Cincy going to more Orange Bowls by virtue of being the only team left with any serious football prowess.

Now, it takes 27 months to leave the Big East, so the league will have time to absorb the ECU’s, the Central Florida’s the Marshall’s and the Memphis’s it needs to shore up its numbers, but even if they don’t fold immediately, the league will just be running out the clock on it’s automatic BCS bid. And the Big East hoops brand is too valuable to let that happen.

I expect the Big East will accept that its football days are over and make a move to shore up its basketball power. That means raiding the Atlantic-10 (14) for a few schools that make it an unparalleled Northeast hoops draw. St. John’s, Seton Hall, Georgetown, Providence, Villanova, and maybe Marquette all have a place in the new league, and they’ll add Xavier, Dayton, and/or Temple. No C-USA schools are invited because they won’t join a non-football league. Depaul might hang on, but it will be a hard sell, so the Blue Demons probably get dropped. Cincinnati and South Florida wander back to C-USA, grudgingly, knowing they had their chance and blew it.

The Big East has to do this because there is a very good chance that, if we end up with four or five football superconferences, the megaleagues will break eventually away from the NCAA, both because they want complete control of revenues in all sports and because they are tired of the hypocritical and counterproductive eligibility tangle that is the NCAA compliance office. If any basketball-only schools want to get invited into the post-NCAA money machine, they had better own all the best TV markets and have huge, loyal followings.

The Big East basketball brand becomes a lifeboat for schools playing that longterm bet, and I don’t think the schools mentioned above will squander it just to create another Frankenstein-monster half-hoops-half-pigskin Big East out of top-flight hoops schools and second-tier basketball schools. Thus, after the raid, the remaining Big East kicks out the last one or two football schools and returns to what it was meant to be: The best hoops-first league on the planet.

by TriviaGeek on Jun 7, 2010 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

was just about to say this

you took the words right out of mouth, literally all 1,202 of them

by irish2705 on Jun 7, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

This.

Pretty much what is going to happen. Sooner or later.

by CARD_G6 on Jun 7, 2010 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

East Coast Conference

Here are the new lineups (with athletic revenue and rank)

Big Sixteen
02. Ohio State $119,859,607 Big Ten
06. Penn State $95,978,243 Big Ten
07. Michigan $95,193,030 Big Ten
09. Wisconsin $89,842,749 Big Ten
13. Notre Dame $81,088,368 ind
15. Iowa $79,521,143 Big Ten
17. Michigan State $75,624,811 Big Ten
18. Nebraska $74,881,383 Big 12
27. Minnesota $70,322,992 Big Ten
34. Indiana $60,615,528 Big Ten
39. Purdue $59,919,102 Big Ten
42. Missouri $57,778,668 Big 12
44. Illinois $55,609,086 Big Ten
45. Rutgers $54,304,756 BigEast
52. Northwestern $48,582,384 Big Ten
59. Pittsburgh $45,830,364 BigEast

SEC
01. Texas $138,459,149 Big 12
03. Florida $108,309,060 SEC
04. Alabama $103,934,873 SEC
05. LSU $100,077,884 SEC
08. Tennessee $92,524,125 SEC
10. Auburn $87,001,416 SEC
11. Georgia $81,496,357 SEC
12. Oklahoma $81,487,835 Big 12
16. South Carolina $76,254,236 SEC
22. Texas A&M $72,886,100 Big 12
23. Kentucky $72,057,751 SEC
24. Oklahoma State $71,805,825 Big 12
32. Arkansas $63,978,641 SEC
61. Vanderbilt $45,582,274 SEC
63. Ole Miss $41,318,068 SEC
65. Miss State SEC

Pac-16
14. USC $80,151,282 Pac-10
19. Stanford $74,695,254 Pac-10
21. Cal $73,354,967 Pac-10
26. Kansas $70,614,953 Big 12
30. UCLA $66,177,866 Pac-10
35. Washington $60,575,780 Pac-10
36. Oregon $60,283,512 Pac-10
46. Arizona State $53,297,963 Pac-10
49. Arizona $51,822,629 Pac-10
50. Oregon State $50,211,404 Pac-10
51. Colorado $49,859,693 Big 12
53. Baylor $48,545,254 Big 12
55. Kansas State $47,399,903 Big 12
56. Texas Tech $46,632,263 Big 12
58. TCU $46,461,545 Mtn West
64. Washington State $38,293,754 Pac-10

ECC
20. Florida State $74,417,324 ACC
25. Duke $71,072,431 ACC
28. North Carolina $70,152,767 ACC
29. Virginia $67,141,170 ACC
31. Boston College $64,157,876 ACC
33. Miami $61,969,808 ACC
37. Clemson $60,167,535 ACC
38. Maryland $59,966,862 ACC
40. Connecticut $58,495,408 BigEast
41. Louisville $58,023,326 BigEast
43. West Virginia $55,658,165 BigEast
47. Virginia Tech $52,838,905 ACC
48. Syracuse $52,050,104 BigEast
54. Georgia Tech $48,061,053 ACC
57. NC State $46,491,105 ACC
62. Wake Forest $44,649,063 ACC

Not sure that KU/KSU Pitt/RU OK/OSU and Clem/FSU don’t move around though.
So the Big 12 goes away and the Big East and ACC combine.

by HendoCard on Jun 7, 2010 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boise, Utah, or BYU?

It would be hard to see a new re-alignment take TCU over Boise St.

by guyngreen on Jun 7, 2010 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

TCU is in Dallas

Again, it all comes down to TV market

by TriviaGeek on Jun 7, 2010 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Mtn West will get an automatic BCS bid.

Boise State, Fresno State, Nevada, and San Jose State will give them a conference championship.

by HendoCard on Jun 7, 2010 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boise, Kansas, Kansas State, Iowa State, and Baylor/Colorado

would be taken before Boise, Fresno, Nevada, and San Jose State.

Taking just 4 would give them 13. I’d imagine they take the first 5 I listed or just 3 of them to get to twelve. Probably all five to get up to 14 and stay relatively close in size to the 16-team leagues.

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

"But How will I know limits from lies, if I never try."

by geoffissiffoeg on Jun 8, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

See above...

Kansas, Kansas State, Baylor, and Colorado are in the Pac-16. I think that the distance to Ames would be prohibitive for ISU.

And I miscounted. Utah St (?) and San Jose State or niether.

by HendoCard on Jun 10, 2010 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

This essentially cuts D-I in half

Who is to say that this new group doesn’t essentially isolate itself from the rest of college football and come up with its own bowl structure and “Tournament”.

I see a whole new, more organized, college football world beginning to form. First of all the BCS is toast with this set-up as is the traditional bowl tie-in system. With the Big-10 and Pac-10 finally saying F tradition, why would they stand in the way of a playoff structure that they would equally control along with the ECC and SEC.

Like I said when I started this post, The Pac-10 saying they would destroy the Big-12 is the best thing that could happen to us, all of us.

by drhustle on Jun 7, 2010 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought Louisville had one of the most profitable

if not THE most profitable athletic department in the NCAA. Or was that just basketball?

by rickmbari on Jun 12, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's definitely just basketball.

Big football schools like Ohio State are far more profitable as a whole.

by Cool Hand Cards on Jun 12, 2010 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think all of you guys should read Wetzel's new column on yahoo sports

and see what you think. This does not paint a rosy picture for Louisville.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news;_ylt=AqH0ug8C9lNNaMkIdQtqBDA5nYcB?slug=dw-expansion060610

It’s all a pile of garbage. Here’s guessing the schools that could be left behind – which could include Kansas, Kansas State, Baylor, Iowa State, Colorado, Louisville, West Virginia, South Florida and so on – will soon be furious they weren’t told the truth about what they were really opposing. The Plus One wasn’t a postseason plan, it was a lifeline.

"Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example." ~ Mark Twain

by LeeCaz on Jun 8, 2010 3:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Orangebloods.com now saying it seems everything is in the hand of ND

Next move in possible shift could come from Notre Dame

If that happens, the Big Televen stays at 12 and doesn’t take Rutgers, no other conference goes to ZOMG 16 TEAMS, does the Big East take UCF to fill the 16th hole in the basketball side and add a 9th football team?

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

"But How will I know limits from lies, if I never try."

by geoffissiffoeg on Jun 8, 2010 4:37 PM EDT reply actions  

The Big east needs to dump some basketball-only schools and get to 12 football schools.

That gives you a championship playoff game, which is extra bucks, which is what this is all about. Actually I like the idea of the BE and ACC combining to form the ECC.

by rickmbari on Jun 12, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Reports are the offers from the Big Ten

to ND and Mizzou have been pulled? Staying at 12 and not raiding the Big East?

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

"But How will I know limits from lies, if I never try."

by geoffissiffoeg on Jun 12, 2010 12:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Source?

I did a Google news search on Big Ten Notre Dame and found nothing to that effect.

by rickmbari on Jun 12, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

update: there are several articles in which the Big Ten’s commissioner says the next phase of Big Ten expansion might happen slowly over the next 12 to 18 months – but that’s what he said six months ago, and we saw how that turned out.

by rickmbari on Jun 12, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

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The Lady Cards nine...
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Louisville should take note of new SEC-Big 12 bowl
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Michael Bush Illustration/Wallpaper (typo fixed)
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King Kyle Proposes !
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No love for the Big East anymore?

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