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Samardo Samuels goes undrafted, Derrick Caracter does not

Two of the most hyped and highest profile big men in Pitino's tenure at Louisville had very different outcomes at the college level; Samuels kinda-sorta worked out, while Caracter certainly did not.  But it was Caracter who ended up getting a nod from NBA champions LA Lakers late in the 2nd round while Samuels sat on the outside looking in.  If you had told me two years ago that this would be the outcome, I would have said you were crazy.  If you had told me two months ago, I would have given you a "Well... duh" look.  If you had told me two days ago, I would have been absolutely confused.

Like most Louisville fans, I was incredibly disappointed with Samuels' performance in a Cardinal uniform.  There's no doubt that he had a solid contribution to the team and was a large part of the reason the team even made it to the tournament this year; but his talent level and, worse, his effort level, was hyped to be far more than it ended up being (which was slightly higher than that of a Jamaican bobsled team).  At times brilliant, at times lethargic, there were only two things you could always count on from Samardo: 1) he would somehow get a wide-open dunk at some point, and 2) he would give up more rebounds in a half than Pervis Ellison would in an entire game.  With a broken arm.  Blindfolded.

Despite that, it seemed in recent months that Samardo had found some sort of niche within the NBA community.  Word was constantly flowing from NBA draft analysts and "insiders" that scouts were becoming more and more impressed with his game, and as of early this week, he had inexplicably skyrocketed from a fringe late second round pick (or undrafted) to a potential mid first rounder.  Despite his lackluster performance here in the River City, I was hoping I would see him represent the Cardinals as a first round pick for the second straight year and hopefully earn the money that his family seems to need.  Unfortunately, one pick after another came and went, and after 60 other players had heard their names called, Samuels was nowhere to be seen.

Honestly, I'm a little surprised.  Besides all the chatter of his sudden rise in draft stock, it's hard to look at the draft list and think that he couldn't find a spot on a roster ahead of some of these other guys.  Tibor Pleiss?  Paulo Prestes?  Pape Sy?  I understand Pau Gasol and Dirk Nowitzki have worked out well, but there are guys on here being picked up in the first round that have never played a game against anybody with NBA-level talent.  I mean, Chicago took a French guy named Kevin Seraphin with the 17th pick (much to the chagrin of Chicago fans, who immediately booed and began chanting "USA! USA!").  You're telling me that you would rather have these guys on your roster than Samardo Samuels, who spent two years averaging 15+ ppg in the Big East against guys like Greg Monroe, Dejuan Blair, Luke Harangody, and Hamady N'diaye, all of whom were drafted?  Seems like somebody dropped the ball on reporting that NBA scouts were "warming up" to Samardo's style.

Oh well, best of luck to Samardo wherever he ends up.  Shame it had to end this way, though.  

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Can't say I'm surprised.

After the lottery picks the draft is pretty much a crap shoot. There are probably about 100 or so players that get told they will be drafted, and probably half of those get told they would got late 1st or later. But at that point the talent gap between players isn’t much, and it seems like it comes down to whoever a team picks out of a hat. I feel bad for SS that he didn’t get drafted, but it’s really not surprising.

by CardinalDude on Jun 25, 2010 6:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Dang, you beat me to it

I swear I checked before posting, and didn’t see yours. Mine shoulda been a comment here, sorry.

by rickmbari on Jun 25, 2010 7:42 AM EDT reply actions  

I hate to say this but it was a good thing for U of L

Now dont get me wrong I wish the kid would have gotten drafted… However it shows the incoming kids that “YES” RP knows what hes talking about. If SS had stayed an extra year I feel it would have been a guarantee that he would have heard his name called.

So now when RP says to a kid " you need one more year" they have to listen…

This made the difference between SS having to work hard for way less than what he would have had he stayed..

by lvl1 on Jun 25, 2010 8:40 AM EDT reply actions  

lets try common sense shall we?

Poor Samrado…soft as lace , very slow lateral movement, no quick hops whatsoever, very poor rebounder for his size, decent jump shot from 15’, poor defense. cannot pass out of double team from post and whines and pouts like a 2 year old and would probably play the 3 in the NBA. i have no idea why he did’nt get drafted

by CountryCard on Jun 25, 2010 9:02 AM EDT reply actions  

AGREED

there is high demand for 6’9 power forwards that dont play defense, dont rebound, and have no outside shot, that place is in JAMAICA. Oh well my good buddy Chris Lofton went undrafted and he only set records in NCAA.

by ville 606 on Jun 25, 2010 11:42 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

These days, american-based players have a disadvantage in the second round of the NBA draft...

Because if a team picks a Euro player, they can retain his NBA rights, while letting him stay overseas to continue to develop for 1-3 years, all without any impact to the salary cap. It’s just smarter business to pick a long-term Euro project and let him develop on someone else’s dime, rather than pick a more developed college player (who you may not really be sold on) and be forced to make an up-or-down decision on the kid in the very near future.

Samardo’s going to have to work his ass off, battle his way through the summer league and hope that somebody brings him in for a look during training camp. Kid’s got a lot of important work to do over the next few months, hope he’s ready for the challenge.

by quiet cardinal on Jun 25, 2010 9:26 AM EDT reply actions  

How many times in Samardo's college days did you find yourself in awe of his talent?

Then ask yourself that about T-Will, or Earl, or Francisco. Samardo just doesn’t have the kind of talent that separates him from the crowd, particularly at his position. I remember being particularly worried early in his freshman year when I heard that Rick wanted him to stop playing below the rim; that is a pretty difficult thing to change, and has more to do with talent than effort. I wish Samardo luck, but I think his future is in Europe or elsewhere.

That said, from a Louisville fan perspective, I am not disappointed that he is gone. TJ has a much higher ceiling; he is far more athletic, he runs the floor better, he gets off the floor better, and now we’ll all get to see how that translates when he plays 25-30 minutes per game at the 5. Even though TJ has his own defensive issues, I don’t see how we don’t get better defensively because of this. And I can see Siva getting into the lane for quite a few dishes to TJ for quick flushes (assuming we can spread the floor with some shooting).

I am looking forward to next year far more than last year. Last year was an inevitable letdown from 08-09; we had a number of guys coming back who had already essentially peaked, and who weren’t taking us anywhere special. I don’t know what to expect this year, but I do know that we have several guys who will have an opportunity to really come into their own. It should be fun.

by cardsinindy2010 on Jun 25, 2010 10:00 AM EDT reply actions  

My biggest question about TJ

is how many minutes we can get out of him before he fouls out.

by rickmbari on Jun 25, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kinda of what I was thinking

TJ is going to have to really pay attention out there, and not pick up those dumb fouls….

Go Cards!

by Red Rage on Jun 25, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just one

The double OT win against Notre Dame this passed season. He was unbelievable that game.

But, that’s it.

by LORD KAYOSS on Jun 25, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

And FYI UK fans, 5 first-round picks (including #1 overall and 3 lottery) + John Calipari = no Final Four...

Amusing to see how pumped UK fans are over this draft. What the hell is wrong with these people? Don’t they realize that it is an abject failure not to even reach the Final Four with that much talent? That is just insane. But then, we are talking about UK fans, so I guess it makes sense.

by cardsinindy2010 on Jun 25, 2010 11:16 AM EDT reply actions  

I actually had the first post on the NBA draft

but since it wasn’t as well written, wasn’t as detailed, and wasn’t as focused as the above piece my post sits there on the right all by it’s lonesome. However, I shall correct that by quoting myself. Yeah, that’s right I’m gonna quote myself.

And this just in…apparently having five players from your school drafted in the first round is the new NCAA Championship. Wow. Somehow the measuring stick for success really changed this year. I’m confused. Does 2+2=5 Winston Smith?

How you like me now? Ah, with enough hard work and dedication one day I’ll get a post moved to the main page pending Mike isn’t still trying to get a t-shirt from an online journalist which is ALWAYS a priority.

Maddie in PDX

by kentuckybred on Jun 25, 2010 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Your post was posted before mine.

But it took me so long to type this one that yours wasn’t up when I started this one. Sorry.

by CARD_G6 on Jun 25, 2010 12:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

No worries

your post is definitely better. I’m just trying to mess with people.

Maddie in PDX

by kentuckybred on Jun 25, 2010 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chicago's traded that pick

your point remains valid but that pick was for the Wizards

by jbrobe04 on Jun 25, 2010 12:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Can't say I feel sorry for him

I’m sure everyone (outside his family) told him he needed AT LEAST one more year with the Cards to improve his game. Did he listen?

This is what happens when you let the hype get to you and the fantasy of barrels of money cloud your common sense.

If you could’ve bet money on him getting drafted or not, I’d be sitting here with a fat payday right now.

Best of luck, Mardo. You’re gonna need it.

by LORD KAYOSS on Jun 25, 2010 12:46 PM EDT reply actions  

He knew there was a chance to not get drafted

but he wanted money to play basketball instead of going to college and getting paid less. Let’s be honest, even if he was a second rounder, there would be a chance he would get cut before the season started, or put in the d-league. 2nd round contracts aren’t guaranteed anyway. And Earl was a lottery pick who wasted away on the Phoenix bench. If he can’t get on the court this year, he’s going to be a bust. For all the hype, it seems there are only like 6 or 7 guys a class who are big time players. Or in the case of the 2000 draft, zero

by cardscott5 on Jun 25, 2010 1:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Gotta disagree about Earl

Earl sat on the bench for a pretty good team and I think that was better for him than T-Wills situation (playing a lot of minutes on a really really bad team). Both T-Will and Earl will play a long time because they can guard multiple positions. They’re offense will develop in time.

by 1stTimeLongTime on Jun 25, 2010 5:41 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

The Zone

I just think Samardo and TJ could have played together if they would have played Man. And I think it would have been better for them and the team. Oh I forgot, Eddie and Jerry couldn’t stay in front of anyone.

by 1stTimeLongTime on Jun 25, 2010 5:48 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Caracter is going to be solid in the NBA

seems to me like Pitino dropped the ball on him and Samardo. I dont know why any top recruit would want to play for him.

by Minerpalooza on Jul 18, 2010 3:05 AM EDT reply actions  

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