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Post I -- Top 10 Louisville Rivals Investigation


As discussed and voted on, I am starting a series of posts to determine which colleges are Louisville's top 10 rivals in sports programs (primarily Basketball and Football, but I'd also love to learn about rivalries in other sports if they exist). 

The system will work like this:

1. I'll write up a post soliciting nominations for the next highest rival on top 10 list.  CCers can make nominations for a period of time (probably a week).  CCers will have a chance to make cases for the team they think deserves the spot.  Write a comment, write a post, post a link.  It's the off season, what else do we have to do?  Try to go out and have a life again?  Nahh.

2.  I'll write another post where CCer can vote (probably for a week) for the rivals nominated, including your arguments for why they should take the spot.

3. I'll write up another post telling the winner of the vote and soliciting nominations for the next place holder.

 

A rival is one of two or more striving to reach or obtain something that only one can possess b : one striving for competitive advantage.  In our context, a rival is a team we'd hate to watch Louisville lose to, more so than any other teams.  To me, a rival comes from a hatred or sincere dislike of a fan base, coach, or team.  California is not a rival.  Louisville's #1 Rival is, without question, the University of Kentucky.  Scholars have argued, and I agree, that the University of Louisville / University of Kentucky Rivalry is college basketball's best  rivalry.  As a Louisville fan, I cannot stand the Kentucky fan base.  I am repulsed by Coach Calipari, and the fact that DeMarcus Cousins is allowed to play makes me sick.  Our famous Governor's Cup football game is not bad either.  I can't think of good reasons to hate any of their players or Joker Phillips right now, but Kentucky Football has practically the same fan base as Kentucky Basketball, which I cannot stand.  The Wildcats take the #1 spot. 

Here's Wikipedia on the Louisville Cardinals Rivalries:

Rivalries

UK has more wins in the basketball rivalry than does U of L. Main article: Kentucky-Louisville rivalry

The Louisville Cardinals rivalry with the Kentucky Wildcats is widely considered one of the most intense college rivalries in the United States.[10] It is also one of the few rivalries to be equally intense in basketball and football, and practically every other sport as well. The men's basketball game is called the Battle for the Bluegrass; the football game is officially called the Governor's Cup.

Tradition has been since the rivalry resumed that whoever would win the football game would go on to lose the basketball game. However in 2003 Louisville broke that tradition by winning both the football and basketball game.

Unlike many in-state rivalries that have been played continuously for many decades, these two schools went through a long period from the 1930s to the 1980s of rarely facing each other. They did play frequently from the 1900s to 1920's. The results have been mixed since the renewal of the men's basketball rivalry in 1983–84 and football in 1994, with UK leading the modern basketball rivalry (17 of 27 games or 62.9%) and Louisville leading the modern football rivalry (9 of 14 games or 64.3%). UK leads the overall football rivalry 11 games to 9 and the overall basketball rivalry 26 games to 13.

Louisville's other rivals include the University of Cincinnati, West Virginia University, Marquette University, and the University of Memphis.

 

What makes a good rivalry?  Competition?  Proximity?  A series of games?

Who's #2? 

I'll go ahead and say the two school I'm thinking, I nominate: the University of Memphis and West Virginia University. 

It's rough to say that Memphis is still our rival because Memphis has not played Louisville in basketball since 2005.  Memphis played Louisville in football in 2008, but Memphis has not beat Louisville in Football since 2003.  However, I'm sure it would still kill most of us to see the Cards fall to the Tigers on October 9th.  Is football every other year enough to still call this our #2 rivalry?  Does the rivalry mean more to them than us?  Sheraton Hotel thought the rivalry was still strong during the 2007-2008 season.

 

 

West Virginia has a strong case to take the spot.  Few Louisville fans are also fans of Bob Huggins.  Why can't that guy wear a suit?  The fan base is annoy, loud, rude, and crude.  The Cards have fallen in the last 3 football games to the Mountaineers, and the Mountaineers illegitimately won the last basketball game.  What CC reader wouldn't give up a healthy ankle to see the Cards emerge victoriously on November 20th (if we could only make that deal)?  This rivalry even has it's own Wikipedia page.  

The Louisville-West Virginia rivalry is a new rivalry game between the University of Louisville and West Virginia University football teams. The rivalry was introduced in 2005, as Louisville left Conference USA and moved into the Big East conference. Since then, it has become a marquee matchup in Big East play and college football. The game has also become more important in basketball play as well.[1]

West Virginia leads the current football series 4-1, and the all-time series 9-2.[2] However, Louisville leads the basketball series 4-1, and the all-time series 7-2.[3]

Make your case for Memphis, West Virginia, or another college.  I'm taking nominations until at least next Wednesday (March 31st).  I'll set out a poll then, or soon after.  

Happy Arguing!  

 

Louisville's Top 10 Rivals

1. University of Kentucky

2. ? 

Poll
Just thought I'd put it out there to make sure: Is Kentucky the #1 Rival?
Without Question
88 votes
No Way
8 votes
Are you kidding?
8 votes
I hate them!
39 votes

143 votes | Poll has closed

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So in this poll

Without Question = Yes
No Way = No
Are you kidding? = Yes or No depending on how the reader interprets it
I hate them! = Yes

I think the Memphis rivalry has really lost steam in the last few years. I think very few current students or recent graduates would list Memphis as a rival, and if they remember the Black Out Game they definitely wouldn’t put them above WVU. Interestingly, if you ask a Memphis fan, I think they would say that U of L was their number one rivalry.

by Dais on Mar 25, 2010 8:04 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm 58 and I'll vote for WVU

I kinda take issue with the definition of a rivalry presented in the OP. I’ve said it before, but I’ll repeat it: a rivalry, at least a good rivalry, involves mutual respect. I don’t like WVU, but I respect them. We have had some great games with them, some ridiculous comebacks, some season-spoiling upsets, and a lot of really exciting games. WVU is a rival in both sports.

Memphis, on the other hand, is a pure hate thing for me. I wouldn’t do them the honor of calling them a rival; they have nothing that we need. Sure, I’d hate to see the Cards lose to them. I really hated seeing us lose to Western Carolina, but that doesn’t make them a top rival! Memphis fans may consider Louisville their biggest rivals, but that’s because they have to respect us. I don’t respect Memphis and I don’t consider them our rivals.

by rickmbari on Mar 26, 2010 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

two votes for no way? Who are you people? Who do you think the #1 rival is?

by REALISTICCARDSFAN on Mar 25, 2010 10:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Cincinnati

I think WVU in recent times is #2, but historically you could argue UC for the second spot. Memphis would probably be #4 for me after UK, WVU, UC…

by Card Kid on Mar 25, 2010 12:09 PM EDT reply actions  

i think with rivalries, there cannot be a long period of time where we do NOT play them. so that knocks memphis out of that list. football has been nothing recent and basketball has been dead for 5 years now. i would go cincy 2 wvu 3 and uconn (yes uconn) 4.

who would i like to see on this list? tennessee and indiana. we should be playing those two in football and basketball (more often in the bb case).

by jcarti01 on Mar 25, 2010 12:15 PM EDT reply actions  

+1

Since I’m an old man (‘78 alum) i lean towards Cinci as #2 because of the long and continued history and proximity. WVU, though, is really coming on strong. Love to hate strongly dislike UConn and it’s coaches.

Don’t care that much about Tenn but would really love a reason to yell at Tom Crean again. IU should be a natural. How about a BIG 4 tourney of UofL, UK, IU and ND?

by SullyCard on Mar 25, 2010 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

We actually played Memphis recently in FB

Back in 2008 (actually a close game), and play this this year at home.

I assume you meant to say that we haven’t played them since we were on an even playing field. Unfortunately, ____ made our team almost beaten by Memphis in ’08, so the field was almost even again.

by guyngreen on Mar 26, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do we really need a week to take nominations?

I mean come on. It’s not like we have stuff to do in the off-season. Well except for watching Cornell pummel Kentucky tonight.

by Chris Redman is my hero on Mar 25, 2010 12:45 PM EDT reply actions  

Rivalry

I would definitely say uk is our number 1 rival, then UC, WVU, Marquette

by Sam-Ville on Mar 25, 2010 2:28 PM EDT reply actions  

To me personally, WVU is Louisville's #1 rival

They produce much better games together, the wins mean more, and the WVU fanbase is at times even more obnoxious, ignorant, and uneducated than uk fans.

I’d vote Kentucky in at #2.

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by LORD KAYOSS on Mar 25, 2010 2:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Can't help it

I’m just a bigger fan of wins that achieve Big East Championships, or a ticket to the Final Four (2005). Beating Kentucky at anything is just one year of bragging rights.

I’ll take the titles.

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by LORD KAYOSS on Mar 25, 2010 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

WVU has to be 2

in 5 years we’ve had no fewer than 5 insanely great games two teams can play. In two sports. Involving many overtimes. Now, I don’t hate WVU, I actually like them. And from a rivalry standpoint that is somewhat detrimental – but you can’t argue with the intensity and importance of the games.

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by ericdedwar on Mar 25, 2010 2:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Keg-of-Nails

It has its own trophy.
Over 93 basketball games played, 49 football games, and we still play them.
This should be no contest for #2, historically.

by HendoCard on Mar 25, 2010 3:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Historically, yes

Historically, really, Cincy is #1. We didn’t even play Kentucky for most of my lifetime.

Today I would say:

  1. Kentucky
  2. West Virginia
  3. Cincinnati

After that, the lists for football and basketball probably diverge. Marquette, for example, is up there somewhere in basketball, but obviously not on the gridiron. UCLA, historically, because of the Denny Crum ties to John Wooden’s program and considering two close-fought Final 4 contests, is probably #4 for me in basketball, but we’ve never even played them in football as far as I know.

by rickmbari on Mar 26, 2010 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

UK is the #1 rivalry by far. But I have to say Cincinnati is a strong #2...

I remember many games that were dogfights. I’ll never forget the Cincinnati player who kept jumping into the UL defender and drawing a foul. Kenyon Martin manhandling our inside guys. Or Huggie-bear being such an ASS on the sidelines. Throw in the Football Keg of Nails, the close proximity, the similar colors, and it only gets meaner, nastier and more like a rivalry. Memphis is #3, with WVU coming in a distant 4th.

by JustCards on Mar 25, 2010 5:12 PM EDT reply actions  

I like the debate

Any notable articles on the Louisville — Cincy Rivalry that you know of?

by REALISTICCARDSFAN on Mar 25, 2010 5:16 PM EDT reply actions  

How long does it take to develop a rivalry based on losing in the wrong sport?

Which is to say, will anything ever come of Syracuse-Louisville? Just curious what you guys think.

by drothgery on Mar 26, 2010 1:45 PM EDT reply actions  

I actually see this a budding rivalry

Especially with SU ‘stealing’ some of our FB and BB recruits the past year or two. Steal all the ones you can, because they aren’t really making a difference for SU.

by guyngreen on Mar 26, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I think it started when the then laughing stock of Big East Football, The Orange, beat the still ranked Cards in football in 2007. That was a big game for them. This year, that was the only BE game in football we won. 2009— Basketball, BE Tourney Finals. 2010— 2 huge wins for Louisville over highly ranked ‘Cuse. I think there is at least some sort of rivalry going because we keep playing big games. I don’t know if it falls in the top 5, but I’d definitely put it in the top 10.

by REALISTICCARDSFAN on Mar 26, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

It takes a while to clean up after Greg Robinson

Will take you a while to clean up after Krags, too.

by drothgery on Mar 27, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

At least

2 of our top 4 Rivals are playing each other in the Elite 8, so someone has to lose. This season wouldn’t have been so hard to stomach if it hadn’t been for our Rivals actually being good for the first time in years. Cheering for WVU, one time only sale. Let’s Go Mountaineers!

by REALISTICCARDSFAN on Mar 26, 2010 7:06 PM EDT reply actions  

C'mon

Seriously? It’s not even debatable, imo. UK is clearly and forever our #1 rival. C’mon!

Then I’d say from a Big East perspective it should be WVU #2. And then I guess Cincinnati is #3 just because of the history.

by CardsFanTX on Mar 27, 2010 3:13 AM EDT reply actions  

UK not being the #1 Rival

is officially killed after tonight. Cardinal fans have never been happier to see WVU win.

by REALISTICCARDSFAN on Mar 28, 2010 1:49 AM EDT reply actions  

Marquette

Where will the Marq rivalry place? Since its only one sport but always a big battle in basketball will that drop it down the list? I’d put Marq top 5 based on basketball.

Rutgers in football is a burgeoning rival in football based on the endings and results of some of the recent games.

UConn could be the fourth overall current rival. The basketball games are always close intense games between highly ranked teams. The football games are becoming competitive and have had memorable events in them.

by KyCubsFan on Mar 28, 2010 4:41 PM EDT reply actions  

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