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Thoughts on Notre Dame victory and NCAA tourney

 

I’ve watched ND play probably 10-12 times this year, and to be honest, I think it was one of their better games.  It might be hard to believe that, considering they were playing without Gody, but they played more like a TEAM last night.  As productive as Gody is, he doesn’t really make his teammates better, except maybe bailing them out with a tough rebound or good finish.

 

ND is more inconsistent than we are. I was really surprised that their guards didn’t wear down against us (Abromaitis did, but not Hansbrough or Jackson). I thought we should have thrown a different press at them later in the 2nd half, but that’s just me.  I also thought we shouldn’t have bellied up as close to them on defense as we did. A lot of fouls on drives to the basket that I think we simply didn’t need to commit. But to ND’s credit, they made a lot of tough shots, I can think of 5 or 6 where I was like “damn, that’s a really tough shot”.   

 

Perhaps the most impressive player on the court last night was Tory Jackson for ND.  The boxscore says he ended up with 5 TOs, but I only remember the one he had when Siva was guarding him and the 10-second violation.  And to play 50 minutes against that press, and to not recall more turnovers, is down right impressive. He’s the player we needed to foul out, not any of their big men, because fouls or not, they couldn’t stop Samuels.  Jackson played about as well as he could.

 

With regards to UL, this team is terribly inconsistent and not mentally tough.  However, I still think they’re a good team.  I breathed a huge sigh of relief when I saw that Harangody was out for the game.  For some reason, we just don’t match up well with ND.  Since we’ve joined the Big East, we’ve gone 4-2 against them, but all four wins have been at home, and been close, while we’ve been blown out in South Bend.

 

2005-06: win by 3, in OT, Dean hits 3 to send it to OT at buzzer

2006-07: lose by 16 @ND

2007-08: win by 5, withstanding a furious rally, probably our best performance against them

2008-09: win in OT at home, I forget what happened when we played them in south bend

2009-10: gutsy performance, a please god let us win baby type of win

 

I’m torn about whether I want to simply say “a win is a win” or do I want to admit this team is just above average. Certainly they’re not consistent, as evidenced by winning/hanging tough on the road against 3 top 10 teams, but getting beat (handily) by the likes of Western Carolina and St. John’s.   And I guess that’s the maddening part about it – I want them to decide whether they’re good or simply mediocre, so I can adjust my expectations accordingly. It seems like my thoughts for this team change after every game (which I suppose is part of the fun).

 

At this point, we’re squarely in the tournament, IMO. If the season ended right now, we’re dancing. That said, we have multiple games left during which we can either play our way into a better seed, or play our way out of the tournament.  2-2 over the next four would mean either two road victories over teams we’re fighting against for at-large spots, or two victories over top-4 seed teams that would seal our inclusion in the tournament, or any combination therein. 1-3 and I start to get worried, we might need two victories in the BET.  0-4 and we’ll need to at least make the BET finals. 3-1 or 4-0 means we’re fighting for better seeding.

 

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While I concede that Depaul is not very good

Any game left on our schedule makes me nervous. I don’t share near the confidence that other people on this site do about saturday’s game

by Centre24 on Feb 18, 2010 11:37 AM EST reply actions  

We lost to them sometime in the Pitino era, because I was at the game in Chicago.

I am fairly sure that it was 02-03, because Gaines and Dean/Garcia were on the team.

by cardsinindy2010 on Feb 18, 2010 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I remember them beating us in Freedom Hall

I believe it was my freshman year there, ‘03-’04 season. I remember leaving the game, very upset, in fact… Found the game story on uoflsports.com: http://www.uoflsports.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/022504aaa.html

by ul_alum on Feb 18, 2010 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

the even more maddening thing is that you know in reality, @depaul, vs. gtown, @uconn, @marq, vs. cuse, all of those games are winnable by this bunch. i would be surprised if we run the table but on the other hand i wouldn’t. i am confident that we will get 3 more wins out of this bunch. the thing is,two of those wins (because in all honesty i can not see closing out freedom hall with a loss, especially against a syracuse team whose number we have) could easily be uconn and marq or marq and gtown or gtown and uconn.

by jcarti01 on Feb 18, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I would be surprised if we ran the table

Mainly because who knows what this team is on the road. We were down huge against UK, UNLV and St John’s, but we also went to Syracuse and won. I have no idea what to expect when we aren’t wearing white jerseys.

That said, let’s fun the fucking table. Sorry for cursing

by cardscott5 on Feb 18, 2010 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Right about the matchup

In the post-game presser, Pitino said that in every conference, it seems like there’s one team that has your number, and that for us, it’s Notre Dame.

by rickmbari on Feb 18, 2010 11:43 AM EST reply actions  

I wonder whose number it is they have.

They gone have to stop sleeping on me one day.. I gotta be one of the best

About 3 hours ago by Eric Wright Cleveland Browns – Cornerback

by Villeslgr on Feb 18, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

off the top of my head, I'd say:

DePaul, Marquette, Syracuse…

I’d say that ND and UConn have our number, we’ve just been fortunate to win some of those games.

Of some other BE teams, I’d say we’re fairly even: Georgetown, Nova, Pitt, West Va, SHU

by irish2705 on Feb 18, 2010 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I think its seton hall.

by doss on Feb 18, 2010 8:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd have to argue

against your point on mental toughness. After blowing more than our fair share of close games, this team was put in the same position once again at Syracuse. Players admitted that those past losses were in the front of their mind during the end of that game, yet they fought through it and won the game. The epitome of mental toughness to me came last night when we quickly went down by 7 in the first OT. A lot of teams would have buckled right then and there, in fact, this seemed to happen against ND in overtime last yr when we won going away (not to mention I watched quite a few fans head to the exits at about this time). This team fought through it, never got down, and continued to fight for every inch until the final buzzer.

by louisvillains on Feb 18, 2010 12:32 PM EST reply actions  

Agree

Notre Dame gave us their best shot sans Harangody. A couple of their players had their best games of their season/career and the Cards still came away with the W.

I believe a win is a win in this conference, especially against teams like Notre Dame who have had our number lately and who are entrenched on the bubble right next to us. A win against Syracuse and Depaul are both great b/c they keep our RPI high but a win against Notre Dame, Cinci and UCONN are better b/c it adds separation between bubble teams.

by UL is my hot hot sex on Feb 18, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

somewhat agree

with your point with regards to ND, but we certainly didn’t fight through against SU. Sure we won, but that’s only because Cuse didn’t win it. We missed critical free throws again, and Rock threw a bounce pass on the baseline. Cuse didn’t hit the big shot like WVU and Pitt did.

Keep in mind ND had a wide open 12 ft shot to win the game in OT, and missed (or was that end of regulation?)

by irish2705 on Feb 18, 2010 5:09 PM EST up reply actions  

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