A Bridge Year Too Late?
December 11, 2004, I was at a friend's house watching the Cards beat Florida in basketball. Florida was unranked, which is amazing looking back at the box score for that game. The rarely-played freshman on that team would go on to win back-to-back titles, plus two of their starters from that game are currently in the NBA. We were ranked 14th in the Coaches Poll and #13 in the AP, but I can remember not being that excited about the team that season. The year before, Garcia, Dean, O'Bannon and the rest of the guys crapped out to Xavier in the first round after limping to the end of the season through injuries. There was one freshman impact player, but the rest of the freshman class weren't expected to be impact players. And everyone was more excited about a supposedly loaded 2006 freshman class. Considering all of that, I remember saying to my friend, I don't think this is a year to get excited about. Next year will be much better. Brilliant, I know.
I thought of that this week when trying to put this team's hot start into perspective and trying to decide whether to buy Final Four tickets. At least I can say this time I somewhat predicted things, as this tweet from October confirms: "Buckles with the 2 best passes today. I can talk myself into this team." Also see: Everyone Back on the Roller Coaster, 11/15/10.
I'm not really buying Final Four tickets, but there are definitely some similarities between this year's team and the 2005 team. First, this team actually seems good at three point shooting. Marra has started off so hot that I am shocked when he squares up and misses. Siva, Knowles (when he takes a good shot), Justice, Kuric and Buckles are all capable of making a couple threes. And the best thing about the threes we are taking this year is that they seem to be shooting them a lot like the 2005 team did: as a good, open shot created by a teammate, not just when you give up on the inside-out game that produces 20% nights like we've had the last few years.
Second, the team seems to really play well together and actually seems to be basketball players. I can't really describe why what we are seeing this year looks so different than 2008-2010, but it doesn't look anything like what we've done the last few years. Dean, Garcia and O'Bannon were fan favorites because it seemed like they really loved basketball, worked hard, and wanted more than anything to win. They played well together, and the team was better than the sum of their parts. I have a feeling no matter how this year turns out, this team will be very fondly remembered. I really like them a lot.
Finally, similar to 2005, everyone was sorta looking forward to next year's recruiting class.
The biggest difference between 2005 and this year's team? Proven upperclassman who could win close games. All of those tough losses in 2003 and 2004 seemed to be worth it, because that 2004-05 team kept winning close, tough games with upperclassman leadership, luck, timely shots and overall just finding ways to win. That will be the toughest thing for this team because the offensive strategy and a lot of the points we get (somewhat fancy passes, cuts, alley-oops, etc) are not going to be there during pressure-packed situation.
It's almost like Pitino's tournament strategy over the whole season: play loose, play fast, play aggressive, don't be nervous, don't think about the fact that it is the tourney, just go play basketball, but within the framework of what Pitino wants to do. That strategy leads to huge blowouts like the Stanford, Oklahoma, Arizona and Tennessee games. But when that goes away, you have to win close games.
I have no idea if this team can do that. Who takes the big shot and can we run the offense and get points from half court sets? Can you imagine when we are down 1 with a minute to go, does Marra get an open look? Does Siva make the pass to a guy who makes a quick pass to TJ for a dunk? Is SVT even on the floor? Who knows how this team will pull out a close game.
I'm sure we aren't going to blow out teams night in night out in the Big East. Luckily, our two toughest non-conference games are teams who want to run, which probably is really good for us because this team is really, really good at running because they pass well, make layups and make threes. Nothing complicated.
I definitely did not expect a 6-0 start, especially one in which we are effectively ending games in the first half. And we could easily lose to UNLV, UK and a deceptively tough first road game against WKU. What are our chances? To break up this wall of text a bit, how about some lists?
THREE REASONS THIS SEASON COULD TURN OUT AWESOME, LIKE DEEP TOURNEY RUN AWESOME
1. Mike Freaking Marra. I predicted that every game a fan could convincingly argue that a different player was the best player on the team. The first few games held true: Rock Buckles, Siva, Jennings, Justice and SVT all had games where they seemed like the best player on the team. But I think it is pretty clear that the last few games have revealed me an idiot: hands down, Mike Marra has become our best player. He is hot from 3, he's dunking all over the place, he passes well, he seems to be playing good defense (hard to tell) and he doesn't really make mistakes. The funniest thing about the Marra thing is that throughout the preseason, Pitino said the only two certain starters were Siva and Kuric. Either Kuric was playing like LeBron in practice or Marra just does better in games than Kuric, who has had a rough start to the season. Regardless, I don't think the Marra thing is a fluke, and I think if Kuric gets into a groove, our best line-up for the Big East is Siva-Marra-Kuric-Buckles-TJ. There, I said it.
2. Sticking With The Style. Pitino coached the last few years like the NBA: match-ups, preparing the team for the different styles in the Big East and adjusting to the opponent's style. It worked in 2008 and 2009, at least in conference play, but last year's team just didn't have it. This year, I am hopeful that Pitino coaches the whole season like he does the tourney: we are going to run and gun, and we don't care what you are going to do. The style works for this team, and even in a grinding game that the Pitt and Georgetown's of the world like to play, we have the ability to put up a quick 10 points with press, a couple steals and layups and threes. Marshall seemed like a close game, and then you look up and we are up double digits. Same with Butler.
3. This Is Pitino's Dream Team. Pitino has not thrived in the one-and-done era, and the "talented but enigmatic" players we started getting in 2006 caused as much heartache as they did life-long memories. His best teams are ones who are smart basketball players who care more about the team winning than draft projections. A few years ago, he started going after "four year guys," which, in Internet speak, meant less talented players. Last year's class was unfairly being compared with the freshman up the road and other 1-and-done's across the country who could dominate in college right away. But guess what? Those guys are still here, and they are still just sophomores. They got a whole lot better this year, and so did TJ. Throw a basketball player like Elisha Justice in there, a raw but talented Dieng, a healthy Kuric and all of a sudden you have basically 10 good college basketball players who like each other, play well together and care about winning.
But these guys are all 3- and 4-star guys out of high school. If you watch AnVillen's videos over and over and over and over and over and over, until someone is like, dude, stop, seriously, what you notice is that most of our highlight plays in the half-court are basically just guys creating for teammates, in what does not appear to me to look anything like the Pitino offensive sets we have come to know and love. When this team just goes out and plays, they create scoring opportunities for themselves and for each other. I think Pitino has sorta lucked into this, or bought into the one-and-done stuff as well, or maybe he's right and this team will lose a bunch of games this year. But his pre-Fuller and publicly stated recruiting strategy over the last couple years actually seems to be coming true this season. When you combine good talent with hard work and team work, you really have a chance do some damage.
THREE REASONS THIS SEASON COULD TURN OUT TERRIBLE, LIKE NIT TERRIBLE
1. The Schedule. We have played a bunch of crappy teams, let's be honest. Who knows how good Butler will be in March, but they looked awful in November and lost again last week to Evansville. Ya, we are beating them badly, but the 2005-2006 team started out undefeated before losing to Kentucky. Rumors of the Big East's downness have been greatly exaggerated, again, as there are now 15 Big East teams ranked in the top 5 and 34 ranked in the top 25. It's true, look it up. We can run all over bad teams, but we are no match athletically for Kentucky, UNLV and the best Big East teams on the schedule, and the gimmicky run-and-gun offense is pretty easy to slow down for smart, good teams.
2. Weak inside. Teams seem to score at will against us around the basket this year. Yes, we have lots of blocked shots, but we just as easily give up second chance points and our bigs have to try to block shots because they aren't that good man-to-man defenders. And if you get TJ in foul trouble, Dieng and Goode are not going to be able to guard Big East centers. Buckles is too small to play the 4 in the Big East. And SVT will get eaten alive by athletic big guys for Georgetown, Nova, Syracuse, etc. Inside defense and rebounding are a huge, heretofore hidden weakness that will get exposed soon.
3. Eventually, The Fun Ends. Can Mike Marra really average 16 points a game in the Big East? Even though most of our games are on ESPN3.com, I assume Big East teams have internet connections and can scout us through the buffering. And if they see us, they'll figure it out: basically, don't leave Marra open from 3. Pitino said Kuric's troubles early in the season were caused by other teams scouting him. Well, won't they do that to Marra now? And without Marra as instant offense, if other teams slow us down, our half-court sets still suck and our defense isn't good enough to stop good teams. Ya, we can get steals, deflections and blocks when we have the better athletes. But we don't have better athletes than everyone in the Big East or UK. Eventually, teams will figure out how to stop us from running, and then we have to hope a couple guys get hot from 3.
I really don't know which 3 I buy more now. But there's no reason to listen to me, I thought 2004-2005 was just a muddle-through-until-the-good-recruits-next-year season. Shows what I know.
But those memories of 2004-2005 have caused a thought to start bouncing around in my head: what if last year was the bridge year?
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GREAT question
I almost think Pitino doesn’t want to throw him in there. Especially if he hasn’t been practicing, he’s not going to have the stamina. And there’s no way he starts over Buckles, or takes minutes from SVT right?
Maybe if Kuric’s concussion issue becomes more serious, he and Buckles play together when Marra rests.
Who knows. Not sure where Swop fits in. If he’s not in game shape until late January or February, and the team has a rhythm going, seems like a weird time for Swop to play more.
I'm still expecting the latter.
That way, I’m not terribly disappointed.
by CARD_G6 on Dec 7, 2010 11:01 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I believe a Peyton Siva exists that we haven’t yet seen. Throw in the awareness of justice and the ankle breaking potential of Russ Smith and I think the Cards have more playmaking ability at the position than we’ve seen in the last 10 years. Add to that the shooting of Marra, Knowles, Buckles, and Kuric and the Cards suddenly have more shooting than most teams can cover. If Smith and Dieng find offensive roles, they’ll be ok in the half court offensively.
I’m terribly concerned about halfcourt defense and rebounding. I don’t want to see it but i wouldn’t be surprised if they play a lot of zone in big east play. The next four games will tell us a lot.
Is Marra actually hot from 3?
I read that statement and agreed initially, then I remembered hearing he was 5-14 against SA and thought I’d check out the stats. He’s shooting 33% from the field and hasn’t had a game over 50% (compared to Taquan Dean who averaged 35%, 40%, 45%, and 38% a year).
33% isn’t bad, but I wouldn’t consider it a “hot” percentage – but at the same time it does seem like he’s shooting lights-out. I think it’s because his shot just looks so much more confident this year that I’m surprised when he misses.
good post, at least one star
Joking aside, I liked your analysis.
My thoughts on our interior defense. We may lack some size, but for the most part, take a look around the country and our BE: are there any dominating big men? watching Syracuse tonight, they can pound the boards. But I don’t think anyone is mistaking this team for a top 10 team that will dominate the arc as well as the paint on a nightly basis.
My guess is that this team will play very well at home (kinda like ND does with a similar offensive style), and will struggle on the road. I’ll know a LOT more about this team over the next two weeks: go 2-0 vs UNLV and WKU, and I like our chances to crash the sweet 16. 0-2 and I think we’ll be another bubble team. 1-1 and I’m still not sure.
Also, on Marra being open. Many of his shots aren’t in the half-court, but rather on the run. I don’t expect that to change. I also think we play pretty decent half-court defense. But I think each of the teams in the BE are beatable, and all have their own weaknesses. Let’s just hope we play to our strengths.
Great post
Though I will say, I strongly disagree with you on the outlook heading into the 04-05 season. Those proven leaders you mentioned were the reason I had faith in that team to make a deep tourney run or, at the very least, not fade as badly as they had the previous two years. Don’t forget, in ‘03 we got up to #2 (18-1) in the polls, and in ’04, we were up to #4 (16-1). It wasn’t like that core group from the FInal Four squad wasn’t capable of great things, and that’s what made those fades so frustrating, particularly in ’04.
I had faith in the fact that Dean, Garcia and O’Bannon were key parts of those teams, and I trusted that they would figure it out as juniors and seniors. I can honestly say that I did not even think about the following year’s incoming class once that entire year. I trusted our big three, perhaps too much, to think about future recruiting classes.
Full disclosure, that was far and away my favorite UL team in the 15+ years I’ve been following, so maybe I’m too selective in my memories and forget Cisco’s bad turnovers or Dean’s bad shots. Still, that “proven leaders” gap is a HUGE difference between this year’s team. The least reliable of the Big Three on the ‘05 team is still considerably more reliable, in my mind at least, than anyone on this year’s team, and I doubt that changes before the season is over.
That said, I really do love the way this team plays defense and seems to stay focused on what’s going on (E5, DC, Sosa, ahem) during the game—even freaking TJ is focused. My only issue would be that at some point, as far as leadership is concerned, we have to have Preston out there over Marra AND Kuric. Too much late season experience there to leave him on the bench. He needs to play more like ‘08 and ’09 Preston, and stop pretending like he’s Kobe. When he does that, I think he’ll be fine.
You are absolutely right that we could be a force in the Big East or go to the NIT. I’m not sure what will happen, but it’s going to be exciting as hell to find out.
Amen brotha'
I sure hope our overachieving team is underrated, not the opposite. I do have enormous faith in our team right now, as they seem to not take anything for granted and are working their balls off (positive HCCS effect extending all over Louisville athletics). Can’t wait to see them in action vs UNLV. Those suckers always seem to beat us….
Go Cards!
by UofL rocks on Dec 8, 2010 1:05 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think
athletic ability isn’t a question with this team. I think they can run with any team in the country. The thing that I’m concerned with is the fact we haven’t hit the road yet. But other then that i’m pleased as hell, because the fact of the matter is this, you know as well as I do, in the past we have found ways to lose to teams that we are supposed to beat, instead this team is perfect so far. Our depth is key, get some teams (Kentucky) in foul trouble, that will be our bread and butter.
by ville 606 on Dec 8, 2010 7:41 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I'm actually glad
we have an all-home-game cupcake opening season. I think this was very smart. For one, as everyone has mentioned, who knows how this season is going to turn out. We don’t need any extra losses when it comes tournament time. For two, we have plenty of big games this season to prove ourselves, no need to schedule powerhouses up front to prove whether we’re any good or not. For three, its like extra practice time for the team to gel.
Its true that noone really knows where we’re at right now in terms of national competitiveness, but that time is coming and IMO we will be better prepared and not down on ourselves with these wins. Next year, with a top recruiting class and all most of these guys returning…then lets schedule some big dogs early.
Defense
Its hard to say how our defense will look against a good offensive team. The games we’ve played so far haven’t really called for our defense to be on it’s A game. I understand we are a good blocking team. With Goode and Dieng down low together I think we can put together a tough enough double team that can limit the majority of big east centers. I also think that with our fast guard play this will make it difficult for teams to work it around with their center being harassed down in post looking to send an outlet pass back outside to the perimeter. We need Kuric and Knowles to step up on D like they’ve done in the past, create turnovers, capitalize on those turnovers and do so for 40 minutes. This is what I’ll be watching for when we matchup against a solid offensive squad. Easier said than done, right?
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I'm leaning towards "awesome"
Yes, we’ve been playing weak teams; but it’s good to build confidence, and we’ve shown some flashes of truly spectacular stuff. Until someone beats us, I’m giving these guys the benefit of the doubt.
One strength you didn’t mention is depth. We have a lot of guys who can play meaningful minutes. I think our greatest strengths will be the first and last ten minutes, the former because of our pace and the latter because of our depth. We’ll build early leads, see them dwindle as the other team adjusts to our tempo, but eventually run their legs off. The teams that we will struggle against are those that can match our depth, are extremely well conditioned, and/or manage to dictate a slower pace.
Can you imagine when we are down 1 with a minute to go, does Marra get an open look? Does Siva make the pass to a guy who makes a quick pass to TJ for a dunk? Is SVT even on the floor? Who knows how this team will pull out a close game.
I hope that’s exactly what the opponents’ scouts wonder. There is an upside to not being dependent on one go-to guy.
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excited this year and next
The team so far has gone above and beyond in reagards to expectations. However what really excites me are the thoughts of next years team. We throw a few 4 and 5 star guys in the mix with very athletic experienced proven players. It could be the mix that really makes a deep run at a title. I have always thought you needed chemistry (which they seem to have) athletes ( they definitly have those ) experience ( have several now and next year will have that many more ) plus a little bit of star power doesnt hurt. ( will have that next year)
time will tell
I'm actually more concerned with our interior offense...
We can run. We’ve shown that. But what happens when a team that knows how to play a solid 2-3 zone and the rainmakers aren’t making it rain. We’ve not shown that we have any stable sort of half-court game that can successfully get the ball inside. The lone exception has been dribble penetration by Siva. Problem then becomes that once our big receive the ball, I’ve not seen many skill moves being executed, especially from Jennings. If Mike Marra shoots 1-9 against Syracuse, I don’t even want to know what the final score will be (Kuric heroics aside).
by Remote Cardinal on Dec 9, 2010 11:29 AM EST reply actions

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