Rick Pitino has had enough of Big East officials
by CardinalDude on Jan 30, 2010 5:05 PM EST
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The Big East NEEDS to say something about these blown calls. They can't just deal with it internally anymore, if they even deal with it at all. There have been too many calls made by refs who had no view of the play, too many errant calls, too many inconsistencies in fouls called, and too many times that the refs didn't know the rule book. I understand that refs are humans, and mistakes are going to be made, especially in the middle of a game. However, missed calls that are clearly erroneous, such as the ball off the head and no UofL player body part was anywhere near it, or the refs not knowing the rule book, like them checking the replay to determine possession, is inexcusable.
There were 3 plays within 20 seconds of play time that those refs blew: the ball off the head, the no call on Delk being tackled on the three attempt, and not calling jump ball to determine possession. They missed the Pitt player stepping on the baseline. They also did nothing on the Seton Hall player walking on to the court and trying to inbound.
Now, the explanation that I've heard for the Seton Hall play was an inadvertent whistle. That very well may be the case, and that may have been the case. The Seton hall player didn't seem to think there was a whistle, as he continued to try and inbound it. The WVU player admitted after the game that the ball went off him and out of bounds with 6.7 seconds left. The league and the refs need to address these issues. Continuing to not talk about these issues publicly does nothing but hurt the league. If I made a mistake at my job, and made my boss or my company look stupid, I know I would be held accountable, whether it be a reprimand or even a suspension. Referees need to be held accountable for their actions as well. They should not being affecting the outcome of these games as much as they have been this season.
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Nice post.
The Pitt, Seton Hall, and now West Virginia games were iced for the other team by the refs. And I’m still trying to figure out how Cousins got two free throws after elbowing Swop’s head. I know it’s a different sport and all, but I call these things “Fair Catch” calls after the UConn football game a couple of years ago. There are human errors, and then there are Fair Catch Calls. We get these things ALL. THE. TIME.
Right on Rick
We’ve had it too, it is just inexplicable
Does this count?
A Big East spokesman blamed an inadvertent whistle late in the game in the University of Louisville’s 80-77 loss to Seton Hall Thursday night for a no-call that was a potential game-changer.
Big East spokesman Chuck Sullivan said official Tony Greene made a "procedural error" after his inadvertent whistle caused confusion for both squads with the Pirates leading 79-77.
That comes from this article.
As an apology for the Seton Hall game from the Big East? Better question, does the selection committee take these bad calls into account?
by REALISTICCARDSFAN on Jan 30, 2010 6:32 PM EST reply actions
I'm thinking an email/ letter writing campaign....
… to the Selection Committee might be in order if we’re still on the bubble nearing the end of the season. If you happen upon an address to a member, jot it down.
by REALISTICCARDSFAN on Jan 30, 2010 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
On another note,
how the hell did DePaul only lose to Syracuse by 2 points? Big East is insane. Officials might be controlling every aspect of the game with call selection. It really pisses everyone off if they make an incorrect call. but it doesn’t both us half as much if they miss a call. It probably should even more, it’s crazy how they can control this shit.
by REALISTICCARDSFAN on Jan 30, 2010 6:53 PM EST reply actions
Refs suck as does the coaching decisions.
Say what you want but as soon as Rick pulled Siva with about 4:30 left the offense disappeared. Add to it the fact that Rick Pitino may be the only future Hall of Fame coach who can’t draw up a freakin play. Seriously, why is there no organization, no screens, no freakin back door cuts. BS. Blame it on the refs, if Ricky P were thinking properly he would have kept Siva in, and forced the team to at least attempt to work the ball into the paint the last 4 min. Sure we needed someone to hit a shot but the coach needs to play the best five players in the final minutes, and from what I saw, Sosa was the third best PG on the team today. Now that I’ve gotten that off my chest, I expect several on here to call me crazy and fickle. If so, please use common sense and not BS.
by rednblackfan4life on Jan 30, 2010 7:53 PM EST reply actions
i agree with you
with the way edgar has been playing lately, we have been seeing a lot more bad edgar than good edgar. after he went for that pass and killed the defensive rotation that led immediately to a wvu layup in the game, and when he waved on that driving player late in the game when he had 3 fouls already, i would have left siva in the game.
the problem with our team right now is that the leadership needed on the floor is coming from a freshman, the senior pg captain is playing like a hs jv pg and our other senior 2 guard isn’t making any shots. at this point of the season with an ncaa bid on the line, i start my 5 best players. it may or may not be the twin towers lineup, but clearly sosa and smith do not need to be starting at this point, seniority be damned. siva and preston (preston!) need to be starting every game until either one of our seniors finally get it.
but i can’t really put this one on the refs. you know what they say about bad calls late in games- don’t put yourself in the position to let one cost you the game. up 10 late and still can’t close out the deal? that’s on us not the zebras.
Normally I agree with the guy who says "that's on us" for blowing a lead
but this is not one of those times. Louisville is playing at WVU, a legit ranked team, shoots 52% FG, 40% 3PT, 70% FT and outrebounds WVU by 2. But the Cards are called for 10 more fouls and shoot 22 less free throws than WVU on top of all the terrible officiating that’s already been dissected on this site and on ESPN’s College Basketball Final (Katz & Gottlieb accurately break down why Pitino was so pissed). If you think it’s all on Louisville for blowing a 10 point lead on the road in a hostile environment against an arguably better team then I respectfully disagree.
Should the Cards have held off WVU? Of course—they should’ve executed better in crunch time, once again. But this ain’t a home game and it ain’t Depaul. I can’t fault the players for what happened in those last few minutes b/c frankly, we’re not 10 points better than WVU. The Cards did very well to put themselves in position to win the game but the last several calls of the game favored the Mountaineers and certainly hurt Louisville’s chances of winning. Blame player development or recruiting but don’t blame this on “us”.
by UL is my hot hot sex on Jan 31, 2010 1:11 AM EST up reply actions
Agree
Had we not fought back from a 13 point deficit to start the game, we would have never been in the lead in the first place and would have lost the game. You could go back and forth with these type of scenarios all day. Let’s say the game was close the entire game – neither team up by more than 2 points. Would it be any more the refs’ fault just because we didn’t blow a lead?
The fact is, there are going to be close games in college basketball and the refs need to make the correct calls. These were not highly subjective calls. Basic stuff. The game came down to the refs and they absolutely blew it.
I don't think it so much that there was a 'bad' call
but it is how bad the calls were. These calls were not just human error (which I can accept time to time), but they were disregard of the rules set forth by the NCAA. That is the frustrating part.
-Dustin
I'm a UK fan
But I just wanted to say, you guys have been hosed in a couple of games this year. The Seton Hall game obvioulsy and today were just terrible excuses for officiating. I was watching the game today and just couldn’t believe the 2 blown calls. After the refs reviewed the last one, that call is inexcuseable. I thought officiating in the SEC was terrible, but what I saw today was a joke. You guys have a good reason to be upset especially when you all needed that game to bolster your NCAA resume.
That's what she said.
It's obviously bad officiating
When UK fans are pleading our case
by Chris Redman is my hero on Jan 30, 2010 8:29 PM EST up reply actions
Mike Kitts.......
Jim Burr and Tim Higgins are far too old to be doing games. They are constantly out of position and having to make calls based on anticipation and other forms of guessing. And these are three of the lead officials in the Big East. That’s the real problem.
me too!
i cant believe these past two weeks. this ul team right now would not make the tourney and thats a b*tch because everyone know that this team isncaa worthy. the refs have totally taken louisville on the wrong side of the bubble. every wvu fan knows it and every seton hall fan knows it. not to mention the 17 point lead against villinova and the somehow loss to pitt.dude this is seriously the worst ive ever felt as a ul fan. this team is good. did you see the threes we hit tonight. or the full court press or siva and delk two guys who we dont expext a lot out of getting it done tonight. in a mere 20 seconfd left we had 3 calls go the wrong way and if one of those three calls is call like it should be called we win tonight. then we would be talking about sneaking into thetop 25 with 2 more wins instead of talking about how we got f*ckin hosed and could miss the tournament. if…and thats a strong if…we make the tournamnet watch out. i see this team getting a few wins no one expects and thats if the refs dont steal it from us
by Cambroni Cardinals on Jan 31, 2010 1:53 AM EST via mobile reply actions
another officiating error i'm surprised nobody has mentioned...
THEY KEPT THE FREAKING SHOT CLOCK RUNNING AFTER BUTLER PUT WVU BY ONE. as the ball is inbounded to sosa with 16 seconds left, the shot clock inexplicably keeps running down from 8 seconds. now, one would assume that the timekeeper would know that when a team scores the shot clock is reset or in this situation, with only 16 seconds left, IT IS TURNED OFF. when delk takes the three from the corner (and is tackled), the shot clock is about to expire. i can’t say for sure whether or not delk would have taken the same shot without the erroneous shot clock winding down, but i would imagine that he saw it and instinctively rushed the shot up. it is entirely possible that if the shot clock were correctly turned off after butler’s basket, delk would have passed on the three and could have gotten a better look, but he had no choice as the shot clock was about to expire. juast another unacceptable error at this level.
True Story
as seen here around the 7:45 mark.
by REALISTICCARDSFAN on Jan 31, 2010 2:15 AM EST up reply actions
This sh!t has got to be addressed
All the experts and writers have been able to makes excuses and/or turn a blind eye up till now. There is an undeniable trend of bad officiating during Louisville games. Seems to be deliberate. To me, there’s no other excuse. Are the Big East punishing Coach P for the Sypher thing? Were they embarrassed that the Big East Champions’ coach had to come out and reveal he boinked a blonde bimbo and paid for an abortion six years ago?
Or are you telling me that these consistent horrible calls are mere coincidence, or that the Big East officials really are that stupid and completely incapable of doing their jobs correctly?
Any one of these reasons are grounds for investigation and stern disciplinary action. I hope UofL launches a campaign to get the media barking at the conference execs to step up and address this. Enough is enough.
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Sympathies from a Pitt fan,,,
Allow a Panther fan to lay down his sympathy for what happened today. That was too bad to even chalk up to home cooking… it was far short of competence. For most of that game I said it was just horribly called both ways (which I happen to think was the same way I’d describe the Pitt-UL game, just horrendously poorly called), but down the stretch every single thing went the way of the home squad.
If I could only watch one conference’s style of ball, it’s the Big East. I like knowing that the toughest of our tough is tougher than anyone’s, and our next few are tougher than their toughest too. But there has to be limits, and there has to be consistency. As a third party, I don’t think this was an “Out to get UL” night. I just think the officiating is so bad that there’s no limit to how much they can completely blow a call. It’ll be interesting where this officiating leads us two months from now…
I have to get this off my chest...
I’m sick of the “we shouldn’t be in a position to lose these games” posts. Yes, we have lost several leads this season. It hurts me just as much as it hurts anyone else.
But this isn’t last season. More often than not, we aren’t the better team. We usually aren’t the more talented team. And we’re rarely the more athletic team. It’s a fact of life that I feel like a lot of UofL fans just aren’t getting this season. In the eyes of many, we have no business leading WVU by 10 inside 6 minutes or leading Villanova by 17 ever, and yet we are. But it’s almost like getting these leads is keeping the thought in people’s heads that we should be beating top 10 teams by 15 every week, and it just isn’t that way. These top 10 teams should be more worried that they’re losing by double digits to this team or giving up double digit leads themselves.
I just wonder if we would be having this conversation if we had been behind the entire game and ended up losing it like this when we had a shot at the upset. Why is everyone more upset that we lost a 10 point lead to a vastly superior team than they would be if we had been losing the entire game? Against Seton Hall, Rutgers, DePaul, USF… I would understand that. But these are the best teams in the country, and they got there by being tough, experienced, talented, good finishers. We start two of the most erratic seniors in the country, two under-performing sophomores, and an SEC transfer.
Great teams close out games, and I know that’s the source of frustration of here. But the fact is that we’re an above average team at best, with a lot of holes left from three high quality, experienced players that are no longer here. And above average teams make their name by getting themselves into position to compete with good opponents late in the game, which is exactly what this team does. The problem is that our position to compete is being stolen right out from under us each and every game. And to be honest, it’s not even happening just in the last minute. It’s the entire course of the game; the numerous whistles on ghost fouls during the press that pulls us out of the press and slows the game down, the charges that are blocks one time and charges the next, the barrage of whistles when the lead gets big and the complete lack thereof when it’s close. The team is fighting hard, but they don’t have the talent or the experience to battle the big elephant (or zebra) in the room at the same time as the other team.
The bottom line is this: they are NOT who you thought they were. Terrence Williams is not walking through that door. Earl Clark is not walking through that door. And if you think they are, you’re crazy. This team was never good enough to consistently beat the top teams in the Big East, especially when those top teams ended up being some of the top teams in the country. This team can play with anyone in the country, but they’re not pulling out the Ws not because of stupidity or giving up; they’re not pulling out the Ws because when the other team isn’t asserting their superior talent to grab the win, the refs are handing it to them on a silver platter. And the longer all this goes on (the refs AND the bashing of the players), the more it’s going to wear the players down until they eventually cave. And then you’ll all be wishing we were blowing 10 point leads to top 10 teams.
By the way...
I’m aware that this post is slightly incoherent and very disjointed, but it’s 4:30 a.m. and I’m pissed.
Exactly
Of course Louisville should’ve executed late but they lost to a better team on the road in a hostile environment. The fact that WVU needed a few calls to go their way in the end to beat Louisville says a lot about how hard our boys played last night.
by UL is my hot hot sex on Jan 31, 2010 10:03 AM EST up reply actions
Completely agree - see my post above
Just because you blow a lead doesn’t somehow lessen the refs’ fault. We are fortunate to be in these games against top teams and it shouldn’t be handed to them.
Perfectly stated.
I’ve been saying a lot of the same things for a long time, but not as well as you did. This is much of what Pitino’s been saying too – he’s almost begging the fanbase to notice how hard the players are trying. We should encourage them, not bash them. They don’t deserve the attacks they’ve been getting.
My favorite part
was the end. The so and so is not walking through that door always makes me laugh. I missed the and if they did, they would be old and gray line.
In all seriousness, I think part of it are we expect to win every game. Losing games in agonizing fashion isn’t going to make people not think that.
If the Big East doesn't address these issues by at least Wednesday, I'm gonna start sending emails.
John M. Marinatto Commissioner commissioner@bigeast.org
Daniel G. Gavitt Associate Commissioner (Men’s Basketball) dgavitt@bigeast.org
Shawn P. Murphy Director of Men’s Basketball Operations smurphy@bigeast.org
Love this...
I love the fact that you have posted the emails! Anything that makes me smile after yesterday is totally a good thing right now…
But on a more serious note, we should be sending them emails regardless of if they address the issue by Wednesday or not. This is something that needs to be addressed from this point forward… similar to the review board that was put into place after the UofL/UConn “fair catch” incident.
by tarabelle17 on Jan 31, 2010 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks for the email addresses.
I don’t want to be a conspiracy theorist, but hey – just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean they’re not after you. These calls are far too obviously erroneous to be brushed off. At the very least, officials need to be tested on the rules and made to LEARN THEM.
already sent an e-mail
I’d encourage everyone to do the same, but try not to attack anyone. It makes it less effective that way.
by Chris Redman is my hero on Jan 31, 2010 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
agree
they will delete it and probably more without reading them if that is the case
by Final4Galore on Feb 1, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
rec'd
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by Dave from Louisville on Jan 31, 2010 1:15 PM EST reply actions
There seems to me to be but two choices when it comes to Big East officiating.
They are either crooks or they are incompetent. Some key members of officiating teams are either playing the over/under or the points, or they are legally blind. Nothing else makes any sense. If in a couple of years there are stories about major gambling violations involving Big East referees, I promise I won’t gloat.
theoldman
Ironically enough,
the best reason to believe they’re not deliberately cheating is that the calls are so outrageously bad. It’s too obvious.
What about Pitino?
This may be blasphemy, but does anyone believe that Pitino’s run may be nearing an end? Maybe his control of the team is slipping. Who knows? Maybe I want someone to blame. He has to take some of that on since he’s the coach. I think we ought to consider the possibility that Rick P has some part in the team’s lack of control. And…the Big East refs are turds.
My opinion on Pitino is that for someone reason he has lost something. Unfortunately many times you aren’t allowed to criticize Pitino (not speaking about here). Saying Pitino is not doing a good job does not mean he his a bad coach or done with (See Roy Williams). I never had much faith in his in game coaching adjustments anyway but it seems that this fault has become even more pronounced this season and some of his reasons/excuses for certain things i kind of question as well.
That said Pitino is still a good coach and hopefully we will get it together. Why did we bring Williard on board again?
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