Kentucky squeaks by Louisville
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At least it was a much better effort than against Indiana State.
If the defense gets better, we have a shot at a few wins, but it will just be another disappointing season I predict.
What the hell
Was with that clock management at the end of the game? I guess I shouldn’t be surprised, but as between Burke (who, purpotedly, is smart, right?) and Krag in his ear, you have to know that when you sneak the ball for a first down to the UK 35 with no timeouts left, that the next play is to spike the ball. The next play is NOT to let 10 seconds trickle off, then scramble and not get the first down. If Burke spikes it, we have 2nd and 10, 34 seconds left, we go to the MIDDLE of the field, and at least give ourselves a chance to win.
Make no mistake, Krag made some fantastic play calls in this game; I was saying in the third quarter that we needed to take advantage of Guy’s speed and Lindley’s injury, and there were plenty of routes that played to Scott Long and Cam Graham’s strengths. That said, we lost, and what we’ll remember are the following:
1.) An inexplicable option to Powell on the short side of the field when we had all the momentum and Vic was gashing the hell out of the Big Blue defense.
2.) A telegraphed fade to Scott Long where we tried to get him in single coverage and the UK secondary knew what was happening as soon as Burke took the snap. A fade is a bad play call there anyway, but if we’re GOING to call it, why not go with the dude who is SIX-FOOT-FREAKING-EIGHT?!
3.) On defense, a horrendous failed third down stop where we left them off the hook by allowing Locke to break free when our guys just assumed he was down when caught in a scrum. Inexcusable.
4.) All of our special teams defense, pretty much, and Trent Guy’s fumble, which I could see coming from a mile away. Again, worst case scenario there, they pen us inside the 10, we punt, and we force their oft-inept offense to beat us. Trent played awesome, but he had one bad play, and you have to tell him to stay away from that, plain and simple.
I agree with everyone’s sentiments that a close loss is even more irritating, but this is how the Krag era works, either not showing up at all, or doing just enough in close games not to come away victorious. Given where we were a few years ago, this is just not acceptable. My hats are off to the team for playing their hearts out, and hell, even Krags for calling an intelligent game most of the time, but at this level of football, you just can’t afford to make those kind of boneheaded calls and expect to win on the road. I would argue that a game like this is better proof that he needs to go than the games where we’ve been completely embarrassed at home.
Kragthorpe made "fantastic" play calls?
What game were you watching? He wasted a time out in the first quarter, then again in the third. On a fourth down, he brilliantly decides to run an option with a quarterback not designed to run an option to our backup running back (even though he was useless and VA carried the team today), and to top it off, to the short side of the field. Fail. Then he did it again in the second half and wasted a first down. Even idiots learn from mistakes. Krags is beyond idiotic.
The team wanted to win and played hard. Burke made horrible throws all day and at times refused to leave the pocket as it closed in, but at least he was playing to win, and that I can respect. The Trent Guy botched punt return wasn’t leodis mckelvin bad, but it was close. But he also played his butt off mistake free the other 99% of the game. Johnny Patrick, Scott Long, and Vic all played stellar games.
This loss lies squrely on Kragthorpe. I’ve never seen a game that we should have won (nay, NEEDED to win) where we squandered nearly every opportunity that was given to us. He is a disgrace as a head coach and if he is somehow still here next season, Tom Jurich is clearly an arrogant douche bag who won’t admit his mistakes.
let's distinguish
krag’s playcalling in the red zone was atrocious, but if you go back and watch the tape of this game, you will see that, in many instances, he called good plays between the 20s. we ran in many instances where it was the right move, we passed in many instances where it was the right move. we ran with vic to set up deep passes to guy and long. we got long and graham open in the middle of the field where burke could make easier throws. i’m not a kragthorpe guy either, but you’re objectively wrong about him not calling good plays in this game. yes, he made some horrible mistakes, he coached with both hands around his neck in the red zone, and his game management was awful. but in terms of playcalling itself, it was decent. the issue with krag is that we failed where it mattered; his playcalling in the most important areas just wasn’t very wise, as you and i have both alluded to in the above posts.
i know this loss stings npb and a lot of other fans, and i will be the first one to breathe a sigh of relief when this guy is gone, but let’s give a little credit where it’s due. if a couple things go our way in that game, we’re sitting here laughing at the cats and thinking, “you know, maybe we’ve been a little mean to krags.” but we lose, and now everything he did in the game was completely inexcusable? learn to be rational, pal.
by doctorofdunk on Sep 20, 2009 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe you're right
this was just an unneccessary tease. We were supposed to get blown out, and then nearly had the game won, just to give it away. I’m just frustrated. Still. But I have a newfound respect for the TEAM and will look at them with respect. They may not have the talent, respect, and chemistry (and definitely not the coach) of the Petrino teams, but damn it if they don’t have heart. I said after the Ind St game I would not attend any more games. That is just being a bad fan, and I apologize. I will 100% support these guys as long as they play with this much heart, mistakes or not, bad coach or not. Go cards. God bless Scott Long, as well. Never heard such a classy post game speech and it made me feel like crap for being angry, even slightly, at anyone on the team. Great work, fellows. Even UK fans and players were offering words of respect. We may not have beat them, but we have their respect, and most of the rest of the state’s. It was like a really poor man’s Rocky v. Apollo Creed 1.
The difference between excellent playcalling and poor playcalling is execution.
Had we won the game or even converted on those option plays, I think people would have a much different outlook of this game.
That's not true
because your uncle probably wouldn’t have married a chick with balls. Unless he was freaky
OK. We Lost. Now What?
I say that we showed more heart and ability than most people were giving us credit for. We moved the ball somewhat effectively against a team that definitely had a defensive advantage. We were playing our 2nd game of the season, on the road, against the in-state rival, with a new QB, and still had a chance to win at the end. Granted we missed opportunities, but what football game doesn’t come down to that? I was impressed with the improvement over last year. If we continue ot improve we can be a force in the Big East.
Wouldn’t it be a hoot if we can win the Big East and go to a BCS bowl, While UK doesn’t even though they beat us? Sweet Justice!
i agree...
we lost… to a better team… with a better coaching staff…
but none the less we SHOULD have won a game we “SHOULDN’T” have won… if you get my drift.
I’m upset we lost to UK… but seriously…
nobody should be disappointed in the effort or the performance of the cards…
only thing we need to be disappointed about is that this game likely cost KRAPthorpe to be our coach for another year…
oh well…
good effort… maybe next time!
chillin villian
by JimmyClifford on Sep 19, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Post Game Thoughts
Much to my disbelief, I actually enjoyed watching this game (minus the Calipari interview). I thought that UK may have given us the game, but then we gave it right back. The loss does not irk me as much as others have.
Today we saw a quarterback and football team gaining a collective identity. This is perhaps what I enjoyed most. For the past weeks, I have dreaded a season where players refuse to perform in order to sabotage a coaching staff which they do not support. This theory still may hold true, as rivalry games are an exception, but today’s performance at least gave me hope that it may not.
All positive things aside, I can’t help but note that my own conception of our program has changed dramatically over the course of the Kragthorpe Age. If this were three years ago, I would be saying to myself, “We should have won that game,” quite resolutely. At the end of the game today, however, I found a slight hint of comfort thinking, “Hey, we could have won that game.” This is a problem, and I still feel that hope itself is becoming more and more unattainable as an avid fan of the UL football program. Perhaps next week’s showdown at Utah will show us something that makes a glint of hope seem more realistic.
Well Played, but fell short
I’m on the West Coast now, and I had to wake up early to watch this game, and I will say this: I’m glad football is back, and I care about Louisville Football again. That is a wonderful thing.
I have to say, the time management towards the end of the game and the weak side option call on 4th down were not inspired. But I was behind the idea of going for it on 4th down, and the offense for the most part was effective against UK, minus the red zone. I don’t think it was necessarily coaching that killed us in this game, as much as I would like to say. They were just a better team, and we just missed a couple of opportunities. It sucks that we came so close to end up losing, but I’m proud of the guys. We just don’t have the talent, and that comes back to recruiting. I’ll at least be cheering for these guys.
by Chris Redman is my hero on Sep 19, 2009 5:37 PM EDT reply actions
The announcers said that Kragthorpe called for a spike after the sneak, but Burke ignored it.
I don’t know how true it is, but that’s what they said.
it was right there...
in front of our face and we gave it away. the punt fumble and late int is what really cost us. mass props to burke.i love the scrambling and a few great passes. vic is the man. we made mistakes for sure but every team does.the problemis that uk made more mistakes and we dint put them away. im overall happy that i think this team will be fine. i repredict a 6 and 6 season with wins over isu ark st southern miss syracuse uconn and rutgers. lets go bowlin. we will win this game next year
by Cambroni Cardinals on Sep 19, 2009 5:56 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Good effort.
There are no moral victories. Losing sucks, and I won’t patronize you fine people by blowing sunshine up your backside.
I will say that Justin Burke was very impressive to me, and if you had a better d-line and a few less mistakes, the result would have been different. Victor Anderson and Trent Guy were exactly what I feared they would be, but inexperience and a couple of questionable play calls down in the red zone really cost the Cardinals.
I honestly expect this season to exceed expectations for you guys. For us, I am not as sanguine as I was. I can’t evaluate what we have in the context of our league. We were unable to get anything downfield in the passing game. The UK offensive line was the difference, overall, but our much-vaunted secondary was shredded.
I can say that the UK defense played some serious minutes and managed to hold the Louisville offense down just barely enough to overcome turnovers, two of which were just awesome plays by the Louisville defense — the kickoff forced fumble and the jumped out route.
I warned my readers that Louisville would be prepared, and they were. This rivalry is still alive and kicking no matter what the journos say, and the basketball game will be the game of the year in college basketball, I believe.
Good luck, Cardinals. I appreciate the effort your team gave today.
A Sea of Blue -- Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan
special teams
I think we need a new special teams coach. We had four penalties on special teams last game. Today we had one that cost us 7 points. And of course we missed a field goal. That’s 10 points right there. And going for it on 4th down and failing either has to be chalked up to SK having a brain fart or totally lacking confidence in special teams.
Same stuff, different week
Another crushing loss. More penalties at inopportune times. More bonehead play calls. The option on 4th and 1 has to be by far the worst possible play call in that spot. Anyone have a dumber play they can think of? Even the jet sweep gives you a chance to get outside. Just worthless.
The offense looked a lot better than it did against ISU, and frankly, a lot of last year. Vic is a superstar, Burke made plays but also still has a long way to go to be mentioned in the same sentence as Brohm, Lefors, Ragone, etc. Long and Guy both made plays, even Chichester caught the ball thrown to him.
I saw a couple nice plays – wheel route with Vic out of the backfield, the double move where Long beat Lindley, etc. But still a lot of the same, and nothing I would call “imaginative”, “creative” or even “likely to result in a TD when run correctly.”
The defense didn’t play that well. Any games we win from here on out will be shoot-outs, because they weren’t stopping UK. Patrick was a bright spot, but I didn’t see anyone else do much of anything. No one got anywhere near Hartline.
UK’s defense did not impress either. They got pressure a couple times but overall the o-line gave Burke time, and Burke’s scrambling helped keep drives alive.
At the end of the day, we had a 3 TO margin that we let get cut to +1, we kept the ball the entire 3rd quarter and scored only 6 points, and we had to try to win the game with a :50 second, 50 yard drive with no timeouts led by a QB making his 2nd start ever and a coach who has shown an inability to manage the clock or make good in-game decisions throughout his career at UofL. That it ended how it ended was not really a surprise.
Sure we looked improved but we were still held back by the same mistakes and inability to score TDs as we have been since, I dunno, Sept 2007. I find myself crushed but also numb after that game. I love UofL football and I actually got into the game and started to get my hopes up. Bring on Utah.
Kragthorpe sucks.
Unfortunately, this is also my semi-sober analysis after my initial euphoria of not having the Cards
clubbed to death like seals or something
offensive guinness
there was not much doubt in my mind about who called the 4th and 1 pitch in the 1st half of the rutgers game, now i am certain it was the same guy who ran the option for the first time ever on 4th and 1 today. way to make it 4th and 8.
the fellas did play hard and i am proud of them that they did.
by k.f.powers.uofL on Sep 19, 2009 7:13 PM EDT reply actions
He means..
..when you only have to get 1 yard, why make Powell go 8 yards – might as well be 4th and 8.
Srprisingly good effort
Credit where credit is due. I expected a 35 – 3 beating, ESPECIALLY at Commonwealth. Bad clock management at the end or we may have actually won this one.
"There is no OFF position to the genius switch" - D. Letterman
i am not giving credit
for ALMOST beating a subpar sec team.
by k.f.powers.uofL on Sep 19, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Good Bad and Ugly
Good: We came out as prepared and ready to play than we ever have before under Kragthorpe
Burke looks like he’s going to develop into a half way decent QB for us. Brohm or Redmon he’s not, but if they can get his deep throws looking more like throws rather than punts…you never know.
I’m loving watching Anderson play for us and I’m going to love watching him play on Sundays in a couple of years.
Johnny Patrick
Bad:
We sniffed Hartline’s jersey once on pass rush and he ran for a first down
the fumbled punt
the missed tackle on Cobb on 3rd down
the missed field goal
Ugly:
the option pitch thing on 4th and 1. I’m not faulting Kragthorpe for going for it but calling that as your play with a QB that is no threat to run is borderline criminally insane.
disorganization about getting the plays in and burning our timeouts. It didn’t really come into play today, but at some point it will. And its going to hurt.
The offsides on kickoff penalty
Has Darius Ashley transferred yet? He got in one play today, I think. If Powell was so ineffective today, maybe Ashley should have been used to spell Vic a little bit.
To sum up: We’re better than we thought we were, UK is worse than they thought they were, and Utah is going to blow our doors off because they just got their bells rung by Oregon and I’m sure they’re going to be pissed.
UK did everything they could to give that game away
That 3rd quarter was pathetic.
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
jmc is right
utah is gonna come out blazin. i do have hope though. although a small chance i think we have the talent to pull off that kind of upset.
by Cambroni Cardinals on Sep 19, 2009 11:40 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Don't lie
Every one of us expected a blow out but that didn’t happen. I spot a bit more heart than what we saw last year. If we keep this up then we can do SOME damage in the big east. GO CARDS!
This season HAS shaved ten years off my life.
by Irememberwheat! on Sep 20, 2009 1:09 AM EDT reply actions
Wishful thinking...
VERY wishful thinking. Giving UK trouble is nothing at all like facing the Big East. Is there any doubt that UK would be dead last in today’s Big East? Short of Louisville, I guess.
Let’s note that Kragthorpe had 2 weeks to prep to beat a poor Kentucky team. He almost pulled it off. Facing Utah and then Pitt with no bye week means we go 1 – 3. Not much to cheer about.
Grog
"There is no OFF position to the genius switch" - D. Letterman
Actually, I doubt UK would be in the bottom of the Big East.
The Big East is no power conference this year, and so far have struggled against good non-conference opponents like Auburn and UNC. The SEC East, on the other hand, is packed full of good teams including #1 Florida, #21 Georgia (who won again last night), Tennessee, and South Carolina. Not to mention you have #4 Alabama (soon to be #3), #9 LSU, and #5 Mississippi on the other side of the SEC.
Now, granted, UK has not been doing well in this conference, but it’s not like they haven’t won any games at all or been getting blown out by 50 points every game. UK would likely get at least 4 wins in the Big East this year and last, and about the same in the Big Ten.
I’m sorry, but as much as I love the Big East and think that it’s much better than people give us credit for, it’s no comparison to the SEC, and I can guarantee you that we would be winless in either division of the SEC the past two years.
Agree to disagree...
I’m afraid we must agree to disagree. I don’t think UK could beat ANYONE in the Big East, EXCEPT Louisville. Purely academic, I know, but fun to think about.
Grog
"There is no OFF position to the genius switch" - D. Letterman
Improvement from Indiana State
But that is not saying much.
Anderson was HUGE. Powell continues to struggle running the ball. It took him until the 4th quarter to get plus in yards gained. I hope Ashley sucks because it is clear that Coach K is not going to play him. He is gone (perhaps before the season is gone).
It was a decent performance againt a team that will be at the bottom of the standings in the SEC East.
I must admit I enjoyed the Georgia / Arkansas game. That Petrino guy can really coach offense. Maybe we should take a run at him after K goes.
by RB in Bardstown on Sep 20, 2009 8:20 AM EDT reply actions
Burke
I thought Justin Burke showed that he has a lot of upside potential. Had a tendency to rush things and had a bad case of ‘happy feet’ at times, especially early in the game. But that all comes down to his lack of real game experience and he should improve as time goes by. One thing I noticed was that he seemed to be much more controlled, confident, and effective when in the shotgun; was I the only one that noticed that? Kragthorpe obviously didn’t. He should have been lined up in the shotgun on that late play where the tipped ball/interception happened.
Pretty comical
Im reading that botched 4th and 1 option in the first half was Burkes fault..because he didnt check it. I guess it was his fault that Powell was in the game as the back instead of Anderson as well? Wow..what a complete joke..
It would be funnier...
if it hadn’t been Burke who said it.
You guys are really starting to disappoint me. You’re starting to act like UK fans. Nothing is good enough, and no matter what the situation, the coach tried to screw it up and should be fired. I’m not saying he’s doing a good job, but I saw more improvement that game than I had seen in this team in two years. I’m not ready to call Krags the guy yet, but I saw enough to at least give him a chance and a few games to prove himself.
the play calling
Is ultimately up to the coach. My whole point is WTF are we running the option with Powell in the game when Anderson was slashing UK’s defensive line to shreds?? Im sorry, but koach is responsible for that. Our red zone offense was shit. I liked what I saw from the 20 to the 20, but other than that it was crap.
Side note-I normally enjoy the things you post, but in all honesty the UK fan shit is a cheap shot, especially coming from the person that swore all along-including during the game chat-that we would lose 31-10. Keep that to yourself buddy-I dont need someone telling me what kind of fan I am. You dont know anything about me.
by twistedwedge on Sep 20, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
First of all...
Kragthorpe took full responsibility for the option play and for all red zone offense. We’ve got to quit beating the guy up about it. Everybody makes mistakes, and if you called for every coach’s job that made a few bad calls in a game, there would be a lot of coaches getting fired. I’m not saying the guy’s off the hook, I’m just saying that he’s earned a bit of leeway.
And don’t throw the 31-10 thing at me; I was being realistic, which is about as far from a UK fan as you can get. What separates us from UK fans is that we’re not blinded by some undeserved sense of superiority, but instead recognize when we have faults and problems that need to be remedied. I never said I wanted that to be the score; thats just what I was predicting to happen based on what I’d seen in Week 1. On the other hand, blaming all of the woes on the coach instead of conceding that maybe, just maybe, you got beat by a better opponent or things didn’t go your way, is the stereotypical UK fan reaction.
Now, K always takes responsibility--for everything that goes wrong.
Unfortunately—that’s not the issue—-the SAME mistakes continue to be made.
IF they were slightly diff, then , hey!
But we’ve all seen that same F-ing option to the short side MANY times—and I can’t remember one time that it succeeded in the clutch. Yes, the play calling was good at times, but…his play calling in the 4 shots in red zone in the second half was simply not good, and unfortunately cancelled the good out.
And, we’ve all seen the mis-management of both game time and timeouts. At least no 12 men on the field this game!!
We lost to a slightly better team… maybe…but we definitely lost to that game to a better coach, on coaching miscues.
I had a chance to talk to a couple of the players and their families…they said that was the first time the coaches and players went locker to locker pumping each other up like that game…said “We might win more games if we did that more.”… also noted the “wall of noise” at UK that they felt push against their bodies at times.
There is definitely the desire by the players. The next few games will be telling …concerrning both the coaching and the season
whats worse?
How the hell is having an opinion on things make me a “stereotypical UK fan?” come off your high horse man. I think that finger pointing at a fellow UL fan about “how much of a fan he is” is much worse. Like I said before-you have no friggin idea of what kind of a fan- or how much of a fan- I am. As a fan, Im entitled to my opinion…I attend every game possible, both sports and stand behind the team regardless. Just because I dont like the coach doesnt mean Im any less of a fan. Fuck off with that bullshit.
So repeatedly pointing out your prediction of a blowout loss is a better way of supporting your team?
by twistedwedge on Sep 21, 2009 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I never said you weren't entitled to your opinion.
Nor was I saying you were a UK fan or not a great UL fan. All I’m saying is that you’re acting like a UK fan, which is a big difference. Look, I agree that Kragthorpe is on the hottest seat in the country, and for good reason. The guy has to win games to keep his job; I’m not arguing with that. But I also have to believe that Jurich saw something in this guy that made him think we could win with this guy. For two years, they’ve been saying that once his guys and his system are in place, things will turn around. Finally, his guys and his system are in place, and just like most of you guys, I was sure it would be a disaster, but the UK game wasn’t a disaster. I’m not saying he deserves our respect or support yet (and I apologize if it came off that way), I’m just saying that we need to take a step back and see what he can do; he’s not going anywhere for the next 10 games either way.
And about the 31-10 prediction, you need to get your facts straight. First off, if you read the prediction thread, there are several blowout predictions, including your prediction of 42-21. Secondly, I actually only mentioned my prediction twice during the game thread, once at halftime, and again at the very beginning of the 3rd quarter. In fact, the second time I mentioned it I commented that I was just trying to make light of the plight. Once momentum shifted our way, I actually made the comment that “If we don’t win this game now, there is something terribly wrong.” Check the thread if you want.
Oh I remember
I participated the entire game..
All things aside-this petty bullshit argument between the two of us is one of the major reasons I think TJ should fire Krag. Look what he has done to the fanbase..we went from one great sea of fans to finger pointers and holier than thou attitudes. Im sorry but I just wish it would stop. One thing Ive never done is accuse or allude to another Card fan theyre not good enough. The sites I frequent (here, Cardinal Empire, Rivals) Ive seen the same things go down. I hate it.
Ill still watch every game (and hopefully attend some), for the players. Watching the emotion level of Scott Long and company in their post game interviews shows me this team has tons more heart than last years squad. I honestly believe they believe. Im behind the team 100%, but not the coach.
by twistedwedge on Sep 21, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I still stand behind my comments about the 31-10 prediction.
If you actually go back through the game thread, there are literally only two instances of it in all 600 posts.
But either way, I apologize for calling you a UK fan. I just really don’t want to see this program jump around from coach to coach every 2-3 years like what UK basketball has been doing recently. It just sucks to see the program going through this, and maybe I’m too forgiving, but I want to give the guy a chance, because he at least seems like a nice guy and somebody the players really have a bond with. But I also understand how a lot of people feel like he doesn’t deserve any more chances than he’s already gotten, and you’re all perfectly entitled to that opinion.
I guess I’m just too optimistic, but I know he’s going to be here for at least 10 more games, so I’m hoping that he’s actually better than we all thought he was and he’s just ready to finally pull the rabbit out of his hat now that he’s set everything up the way he wants it.
If Krag took full responsibility for the option play and the red zone inefficiency
and if he took responsibility for similar woes in our previous losses, which have occurred at a remarkable rate over the past 3 seasons, then at what point do we get to take him at his word and say, “You are right. You aren’t doing your job. You are fired.”?
I don’t understand the mentality that says that if Krag says, “My bad,” somehow we need to forgive him for it. Sure, every coach has his days and it is impossible not to make some calls that won’t look bad in retrospect. But in Krags case, we are talking about making the same mistakes, week after week after week. No one is being critical of Kragthorpe for “making a few bad calls in a game.” We are criticizing him for 3 seasons of ineptness, a fact that cannot be undone by a moral victory to a mediocre UK team. What leeway has he earned by keeping the game close to a team that John L and Petrino would have smoked.

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