Response to UofL Hate Articles
by adamcards on Sep 18, 2009 1:58 AM EDT
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PrintI didn't want to do it, but after scanning KSR (something I unexplainably subject myself to twice annually - before either the first or third weekend in September and in late December/early January) and seeing so many people who have openly professed their hatred towards U of L and everything associated, I realized I'd feel a whole lot better to put some thoughts together. Mike, you have chosen the relatively high road to this point and have not stooped to similar levels, but this site is my reading material of choice so I do not have another venue to let it all out.
I live in Louisville but grew up outside of Jefferson County. I have family who attended both schools. I don't hate the University of Kentucky. I don't hate men who coach their teams and I certainly don't wish harm upon the players competing on their teams. I just really, really, really do not like a large contingent of UK fans. The common theme most disturbing to me is the double standard their fans have for their program and everyone else. They are largely hypocrites. I was at the Orange Bowl, home games against WVU and Miami in 2006, FSU in 2002, and virtually every other memorable gridiron contest. I have never enjoyed victories more than the wins in Lexington in 2003 and 2005. And having experienced the vile behavior in 2007 I am in a weird way excited about being in the stands in less than 36 hours. Even if we lose, I always feel better about myself after being in such proximity to so many UK fans. I am not labeling all those cheering for UK, but I’ve seen a fair share of people supporting these views, mainly the grown men flicking me off and running their mouths directly at women leaving the stadium.
I checked this site’s archives and this provides me nearly all of the ammo I need: http://www.cardchronicle.com/2007/9/16/02053/4416.
Thoroughly uninformed in their arguments.
No matter what the conversation, even in September during a successful season for their program, they still cannot help but bring up basketball.
Expressing joy when rival’s players get injured.
Believing UK is awesome because they play in the SEC and U of L sucks because they play in the Big East.
This argument irks me the most. So even when we beat other ranked conference foes, and win our conference (and dominate their team as well) it doesn’t matter. Granted our success in the conference has not been great as of late, but UK has only had a .500 conference record once in the last decade. The Big/Little Brother titles have been used ad nauseum, but I like to think of UK football as the superficial girl in high school who thought everyone should pay attention to her just because she hung out with the popular clique. Look at it this way. Rich Brooks does deserve a ton of credit for his work in the past couple seasons and they could turn the corner this season, but he still is eight games under .500 at UK and in the top five for all time victories. Association within the SEC is great and all but until you consistently beat other bowl-bound teams, it does not matter. They were 2-6 in SEC play last year and ECU was the only team they beat all season with a winning record.
KSR’s recent posts have been just as astounding.
They throw out the name Willie Williams and bad mouth U of L for giving him a second (or 14th) chance, but easily forget that their hero from 2007, Steve Johnson, was allowed to play despite being arrested weeks before that contest for four traffic violations and resisting arrest.
They joke that our program was born in 2003 in their eyes. So Fiesta Bowl wins, 10 win seasons in 2000 and 2001 and top 25 rankings no longer matter. I guess their successful program with swarms of fans started well before then…definitely before 2004, when they lost to Ohio at home. No, what about 2005? Oh, they lost to IU by 24 points that season. So that leaves them with three consecutive seasons with a handful of quality wins…not that much more praiseworthy.
They mention that UofL coaches have not had great success at other programs. Guy Morriss at Baylor and Hal Mumme at New Mexico State were bad and horrendous.
All UofL fans wear flat-bill hats have “line-beards” and love the rap music played non-stop in our stadium. However, I only recall one of the teams had a rap video of their players including in the pregame montage.
Our stadium sucks and is named for a pizza company. I guess the Kentucky Derby is no longer cool because it is now presented by Yum.
Our mascot is a bird with teeth. I’d like to point out the tongue of the Wildcat mascot from back in the day. Which one is more ridiculous? And one of their outfitted kitties is named Scratch and wears bib overalls and a backwards hat. Push, at best, regardless of your affiliation.
“L Yes” makes us uncool. The John L. video and the hand gesture are two different things. The cheerleaders do it, big deal. This is no different than Oregon fans making an “O”, Ohio State and “O-H-I-O” or Miami and the “U”. Plus, in Lexington last weekend I saw an “L Yeah” Lexington Legends bumper sticker. Stupid slogan I guess.
But I’ll now switch focus to thoughts on the game itself and not their delusional fan base.
This is the most overrated stat I have seen in quite a while. UK has won 15 consecutive non-conference games, which is the third longest active streak. After further review, other than the bowl victories, two wins against UofL and wins over Central Michigan in 2006 and FAU in 2007 (they were bowl teams), the wins have been over Texas State, Louisiana-Monroe, EKU, Kent State, Norfolk St. MTSU, WKU and Miami (OH). Their recent string of success has been significantly aided by some weak wins. It would be very nice to end that streak, but I’ll leave you with one additional parting thought. Should UofL earn the win on the road this weekend, no matter how likely you see that outcome, you cannot ignore the potential adverse effect on UK’s season. Their 1-0 record could very easily become 1-5. Venue does not matter for the next two games against Alabama and Florida and road contests following that against Spurrier and Auburn could be big problems as well. UK’s players and coaches have to recognize the importance of this victory and given the large point spread, let’s hope they come out tight and some early mistakes give us a real shot. (I am trying to rationalize my excitement for the game.)
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What KSR did
was just poking a little fun at your team. It’s all in good fun. No need to cry about it. Oh, and just so you know, I do not like a large contingent of UL fans either. You talk about the 2007 game and how UK fans acted toward UL fans at that game. Well, my father-in-law, who was at the UL/UK game in 2006 at UL, told me how disgusted he was with the way the UL fans acted as they were leaving the stadium after that game. And he is a UL fan. So I don’t want to hear any of your whining. I’m not saying that you were one of those UL fans. but basically you reap what you sow. Karma’s a bitch, and now you are feeling what UK fans felt 4 years ago. And you have the nerve to make fun of the fact that UK lost to Ohio a few years back? A MAC school. Well, your team lost to Miami OH back in 2003 by 3 touchdowns – 49-28. One more thing – ANY TEAM you lost to during the conference USA years you should be ashamed of. Because that conference was probably the worst football conference ever created. Oh, one more thing – when was the last time UL defeated a #1 team that went on to win the national championship? Oh wait, there’s no way that could have ever happened since you played in and now belong to the worst football conference in the country.
by uk_cantbestopped on Sep 18, 2009 7:55 AM EDT reply actions
Couldnt respond earlier in the day
2003 Miami OH had a pretty successful QB and coach as I recall. Two-time Super Bowl champion Ben Roethlisberger. And Terry Hoeppner was the best thing IU has had in decades before his passing.
And the C-USA argument is irrelevant. But anyway, in the last two seasons in the conference our only three losses were to Memphis (led by another no name player – Deangelo Williams) and on the road at TCU (ranked then and ranked now) and USF. C-USA now and C-USA then are not comparable.
Revert back to my post "Thoroughly uninformed in their arguments. "
A) Poking Fun B) It's all in good fun
isn’t that exactly what adamcards was doing?
I think the KSR Hate Day is a great idea and the writers did a great job of tweaking several angles of the rivalry and Louisville sports program. They were able to promote the game, pump their team (by ridiculing the Cardinals) and provide several good-natured guffaws without doing the one thing that makes everyone cringe when reading your posts: taking themselves too seriously.
“When was the last time UL defeated a #1 team that went on to win the national championship?”
If I were a UK fan, I would be embarrassed that you used this ‘fact’ as some sort of justification as to why UK has a bigger penis than UL. Good job man, you really stuck it to us with that one!
by UL is my hot hot sex on Sep 18, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I almost took this as a respectable reply...
until you had to add:
“Oh, one more thing – when was the last time UL defeated a #1 team that went on to win the national championship? Oh wait, there’s no way that could have ever happened since you played in and now belong to the worst football conference in the country.”
Way to take a respectable mature response and make it look like your an asshole. I think this is exactly the attitude that the original poster was speaking about.
-Dustin
And how many BCS bowl wins do you have?
I can’t hear you. Still can’t hear you. Oh, that’s right . ZERO.
Go Cards!
And what conference did your team represent in your BCS win?
Can’t hear you…Still can’t hear you…That’s right, the worst one in college football. Congratulations.
Don’t forget we play with the big boys…Least you forget whose conference has won the national title in football 3 years in a row.
by uk_cantbestopped on Sep 18, 2009 8:23 AM EDT reply actions
UK SEC record in those three seasons: 9-15
Big East is 3-1 in BCS games since reshuffling. Victories over SEC Champion, ACC Champion and Big 12 Champion.
You are mistaken if you think UofL fans think the Big East is the best conferenece in football. That is completely wrong. But UK fans that think the Big East is the worst conference are equally as wrong.
play with the big boys?????
“Don’t forget we play with the big boys…Least you forget whose conference has won the national title in football 3 years in a row.”
You may be in a league that has some big boys but you do not play with them. UK competes with Vandy.
by RB in Bardstown on Sep 20, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions
The only clown who needs to shut up is the one who the article above...
by uk_cantbestopped on Sep 18, 2009 8:39 AM EDT reply actions
Hey cuntnugget.
Fuck off.
You’ve beaten two ranked teams in the last 5 years, and one was us in 2007 where we finished 6-6. And until you can put up a mediocre streak of wins in your conference, you have no right to compare conferences. Ironic how you don’t pull out the same arguments when basketball season comes around…
Really tired of this argument
Is it really worthwhile to make the argument about playing in the SEC? I think adamcards made his point just then about the High School girl who thinks everyone should pay attention to her because she hangs with the popular crowd. You know what, the SEC is the best conf in the nation but the ONLY thing that does for UK is it gives them a reason to schedule a week non-conf schedule. Did you know that from 2006-2009 during UK’s non-conf “Streak” the have played a total number of 3 BSC opponents (UofL all 3) while in the time period UofL has played 7 BCS non-conf games?
Also I love the “We played nobody in CUSA” approach, yea we were in a bad conf, was that our fault? Our fault that UK wouldn’t let us in the SEC? Did you know that in the time frame from 1995-2009 (Start of Cooper 1.0 to hopefully end of Cooper 2.0) UofL played 72 Non-Conf games, and 42 of those were against “BCS” conf teams. Sounds like we tried to make up with a bad conf by playing anyone anywhere.
I never post on here, but that guy really “Tweaked my Melon” throwing the SEC card out there, WHO CARES! But I totally agree with adam, I don’t hate UK, Rich Brooks, or anyone of the players, its dudes that like.
You know...
…that if Kragthrope hadn’t have ruined your program, you guys would be our ranked BCS non-conference opponent. So that one is on you.
I’m a little disappointed that the MAC’s Miami (OH) team isn’t going to be that good this year — I was under the impression earlier in the year that they would be fighting for one of the top spots of the MAC. Here’s one columnist who agrees that Miami had some pre-season hype.
Also, how many top-25 teams are you guys going to play this year in the Big East? Probably Cinci, who should be just outside the top-10. Maybe West Virginia (if they keep winning). Maybe Rutgers (if they plow through the Big East as expected).
Kentucky will have played AT LEAST two top-10 teams (Florida and Alabama) by the middle of October. We might also play likely top-25 teams in Auburn & Georgia. There’s an off-chance that Tennessee will be ranked at the end of the season if they have 8+ wins — which is kinda absurd until you think about that they STILL have Tennessee-like talent.
To sum up: you guys have to schedule Top-25 non-conference foes like Utah because there’s less chance for you to have games against Top-25 conference foes. Kentucky doesn’t have that problem.
We do share the same problem, though: Kentucky and Louisville will not be favored in any of those top-25 matchups. Hooray!
by TheFakeGimelMartinez on Sep 18, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
You're dumb.
This is a down year for the Big East, sure, but that’s a recent development and something we can’t help.
USF has been ranked often the last couple years, including when we beat them last year. West Virginia was ranked #2 two years ago and was one win away from the national championship. They were also ranked several weeks last year. Cincy is in the top 25 now, and were ranked in the top 25 most of last season. Rutgers was ranked when they beat us in 2006, and finished the season ranked.
In fact, in the past three years, the SEC has finished with 4 or 5 teams ranked, while the Big East has finished with 2 or 3 teams ranked, meaning we’ve played a total of 2 fewer ranked teams than you. The difference? We’ve actually beat some of them.
Don’t get me wrong, the SEC is great, but you can’t piggyback off that if you don’t win some games against the good teams.
So...
…you’re saying that the good 2-3 teams in the Big East are just as good as the 4-5 good teams in the SEC?
by TheFakeGimelMartinez on Sep 18, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Like the OP stated
UK fans boasting their “greatness” based on riding coattails always cracks me up…
add me to the list of those sick of hearing about it
by twistedwedge on Sep 18, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
It's a meaningless point to make
You either win and go to Bowls
or you don’t. UK leads the football world in “moral” victories…
From this continuing argument, one could make the claim that UK is supremely dense or what for still trying to compete in a league they will never win consistently in
Gotta crawl before you walk
1998 Motor City Bowl Marshall 48 Louisville 29 Lost
1999 Humanitarian Bowl Boise State 34 Louisville 31 Lost
2000 Liberty Bowl Colorado State 22 Louisville 17 Lost
2001 Liberty Bowl Louisville 28 BYU 10 Won
2002 GMAC Bowl Marshall 38 Louisville 15 Lost
2003 GMAC Bowl Miami (Ohio) 49 Louisville 28 Lost
2004 Liberty Bowl Louisville 44 Boise State 40 Won
These are the C-USA years, right? The “we wanted to play in the SEC but Kentucky wouldn’t let us” years, as JohnnyCards said, right?
Would have Louisville gotten 6 wins with a modern slightly-difficult non-conference schedule in these years in the SEC? I’d say not.
by TheFakeGimelMartinez on Sep 18, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Can't completely judge a season just by the bowl game
‘98, ’02,’03 were against high powered offernses led by future NFL franchise quarterbacks.
‘99 was basically a road game. Plus when was the last time Boise lost on that field.
Flip sides and last year can’t be viewed as a huge success for UK. Bowl win over ECU was nice and all, but losses to Vandy and UT down the stretch should be remembered as most important.
UofL’s record may have been different in some of those seasons, but to say that the ‘00, ’01 and ’03, ’04 teams would not have made bowls is plain crazy. Look it up, I think there were 19-20 draft picks on the ’04 team (not including players like Eric Wood, George Bussey and Mario Urrutia who were redshirts). 5 of those 7 years included wins over UK and likely would have done the same to Vandy. That matches last year’s conference win total for UK.
I don't remember UofL's teams from 2000-2004
Based on what you said, I’ll agree that your ‘04 team would probably make a bowl. But I think its a coin flip for the rest of your squads listed in that list. I don’t think any UofL team prior to ‘04 would win more than one game in the SEC. You wouldn’t be playing UK if you were in the SEC — in the context of this conversation (what would you do with UK’s schedule in the SEC East), you wouldn’t be playing UK as a conference game.
And I wasn’t completely judging those past seasons by the bowl games. We all know that its not necessarily the outcome of the bowl game; its being successful enough to qualify for a bowl. Consecutive bowl appearances (coupled with competitive showings in those bowls) is good for a rising program.
by TheFakeGimelMartinez on Sep 21, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Really?
“From this continuing argument, one could make the claim that UK is supremely dense or what for still trying to compete in a league they will never win consistently in”
Yes! We should just shutter up our football team completely. I mean, why play if you’re not going to win? :rollseyes:
by TheFakeGimelMartinez on Sep 21, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
This is my favorite
He discovered rap music and marijuana, he robbed convenient stores at gun point, and he was known to "smack a bitch up" if she got out of line.
Maybe not the best route to go when one of your players just got suspended. Because he punched a woman. Like three days ago.
by Mike Rutherford on Sep 18, 2009 9:04 AM EDT reply actions
I came so close to pointing that out
Glad you filled in the gaps for me.
This jerk is an even worse version of that Kycat woman who comes on here
Why…why in the world would any fan(s) from another school repeatedly come on another school’s site and post numerous—in fact an overwhelming — # of posts, most of which spew shit.
Have they no life?
OK, I'm getting pissed now...
Adamacard— or Mike— that link to the CardChronicle section doesn’t work. Where is that post— I think I started it a yr or two ago, becuase of jerks like this…I think i titled it
Why I Hate UK….
Link
I found it in Archives for September 2007 (Mike’s post after the game open thread). I just remembered coming home from the game in Lexington and reading the thread and being stunned. The online comments trumped the fan behavior in person.
I can always count
on a UK fan like that to get me riled up for the game. I was struggling a little this morning, but now I hope we win tomorrow…
Come on, the one that TH did interviewing Pitino's....thing....was hilarious
First time I shot her, shot her in the side.
Hard to watch her suffer, but with the second shot she died...
Liked Beisner's a lot
The rest were underwhelming.
by Mike Rutherford on Sep 18, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
come back uk-cant
this is just getting good.
by k.f.powers.uofL on Sep 18, 2009 9:57 AM EDT reply actions
Nothing feels better
than getting some Tardinal fans fired up – I love it!
All together now, aahhhhh T-A-R-D-S TARDS!!
by uk_cantbestopped on Sep 18, 2009 10:01 AM EDT reply actions
Nothing feels better
than getting to experience your irrationality.
What is sadly hilarious is that clowns like this don't
understand that they are showing their UK stereotypical ass to us
with each of these posts they make
Nice one man
That’s awesome, get called out on the SEC and your idoitic claim to a Non-Conf streak, as well as Louisville’s record of at least playing schools from other BCS conf’s by changing the “C” in our cheer to a “T”
Here’s another call out you can ignore, you called us out for losing to Miami (OH) in 2003 as a defense to losing to Ohio in 2004. Ohio’s record in 2004: 4-7
Miami (OH) record in 2003: 13-1 and who was their QB? Oh yea only a guy who has two Super Bowl rings now….
Wow
You guys take this stuff waaaayyyy to seriously. Talk about needing to get a life.
by uk_cantbestopped on Sep 18, 2009 10:09 AM EDT reply actions
And there it is
The UK who’s posted somewhere around a dozen times on the U of L site telling the U of L fans who are hurling indisputable facts at him to “get a life.”
Thread over.
by Mike Rutherford on Sep 18, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not bitching and moaning on a UK board.
Not once have I ever posted anything on a UK board. Why? My time is more valuable than that.
The thing about Willie Williams...
…was that your coach threw a whole bunch of guys off your roster, called them bad character guys. Then somebody went and got Willie Williams.
The great thing about U of L Hate Day: Now you guys are getting a little more excited about the game. Look at all our inaccuracies! Look at the generalizations! Look how they mocked our new blue commercial! GRRRRR!
Good Luck tomorrow, Cards. The honest side of me wants a respectable loss for you guys; something like 35-21. The livid fan side of me wants a blowout in the 40-point range. The scared side of me thinks it will be much, much closer than all of those.
The flamboyant side of me wants to let you know that I wrote this post without pants on.
by TheFakeGimelMartinez on Sep 18, 2009 11:16 AM EDT reply actions
Doesn't matter if it was Carrot Top's material
Kragthorpe : Williams :: Brooks : Johnson is not valid. Brooks has never made a huge deal about cleaning up the team. (That’s because we’re an SEC school, where clean teams don’t make bowl games. HA! KENTUCKY CHEATS AT EVERYTHING ROFL!) Same thing with any other comparison you’d like to make to Kentucky’s players and Coach Brooks.
That’s the point I was trying to make.
by TheFakeGimelMartinez on Sep 18, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
For the record
I have never minded your posts on this site. Always insightful. Not just the “Hey, you suck” and similar garbage from Mr. cantbestopped.
That being said, I wanted to clarify to you. I was not equating the two guys. Just saying it is just as easy for fans to point out flaws in the other team’s players. The fact is for over two years the guy had seemingly cleaned up his act before he has allowed to play. It was a risk and they did not get the reward. It is just wasted material to keep posting the same vulgar poem year after year. The KSR writers are passionate and talented. I’d rather read something else from them.
No one...and I mean NO ONE
Comes into my house, and talks about taking their pants off.
by Mike Rutherford on Sep 18, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
TheFakeGimelMartinez is banned for this post
I’m out there, Mike! And I’M LOVIN’ EVERY MINUTE OF IT!
by TheFakeGimelMartinez on Sep 18, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
You are correct
I was staying off the radar until reading the stuff posted there. So in a way thanks for the motivation.
geez
I don’t hate UK (the actual university) or the sports programs. My wife is a grad, brother-in-law is, and my brother went to grad school there. Plus most my family and friends from back home (none are actual grads mind you) are rabid Cat fans. It’s a good school with good sports programs with rich history and tradition. I grew up in Winchester, in the heart of Wildcat country. I will cheer for the teams, but many of the fans are a whole other breed. I often miss living in Kentucky, but these are the embarrassing things I don’t miss. Some programs have really large fan bases (UK, Ohio State, Nebraska, etc.). With more people comes more yahoos. It’s just the law of averages. That being said there is something about drinking the blue Koo-Aid (even the most intelligent people I know) that has always frightened me. That KSR website is just bizarre and over-the-top. I’ve only looked at it a handful of times. It can be funny, but there’s just too much negative/stereotype stuff on there that just reinforces our views of UK fans (when I know there are some good fans out there). Plus the hatred is just bizarre to me. It’s a freakin’ game people!!! It’s a bunch of 20 year-olds chasing a leather ball around. You have nothing really to do with it. Get a grip and calm the f*#$ down. Let’s have fun with it and just cheer for our team. If we win, great, If we lose, that’s not fun. If we lose continuously then we really need to make some major changes.
You can’t have a decent dialogue with crazed fans. They don’t think logically with any cognitive reason skills (regardless of whether they have them or not). Just move on. I just wish the people that post these long, inane, ignorant, ill-informed, hate-filled ‘stories’ would channel some of that energy to make themselves and their communities a better place to live.
Jesus still loved you rabid Cat fan!
GO CARDS!
So tired...
of the UK /UL debate…both programs SUCK on the national scene. They ALWAYS will. But go ahead and have your nerb fight on the blogs about who is best in a state that no one thinks of. 100 years from now people like you will still be fighting this same fight about Cards and Cats and no one else in the world will care.
I can only hope
they’ll still not care enough to talk about it.
by Mike Rutherford on Sep 18, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Like i said before
If you hate both teams so much, why are you here? The whos better debate will rage on forever. Its a rivalry thing and quite frankly i love it.
by twistedwedge on Sep 19, 2009 9:06 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
ksr hate day and their writers...
ill admit they are good. i read ksr every day its a great site with lots of info. i enjoy fake gimel and matt jones. i do have a few problems with it. first off on ul hate day they bash the citys bars businesses and people. doesnt thier fearless leader make a livng in our great city? if louisville sucks so bad just go do law dog stuff in lexy. its also the biggest homer site on earth. mike writes about how clearly uk is better because its the truth. this site would never post positives about ul. its one thing to not like ul and its another to never give any credit. the ul football team was a consistent top 25 team for 10 years and instead of a simple…they had a good run…we get bullshit about plyong in cusa and the weak big east. who cares if uk plays in the sec. it doesnt matter if you cant beat nyone or the fact that you have zero chance of ever winning the sec in football. look up tennessee and fla winning streaks for more info. if we were rivals with flordia international and they played in the sec would they have an arguement against louisville just based on that fact? regardless i love the rivalry andksr nce again fired me up. job well done.
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