Debunking the conference tournament myth
Over the past few years, there has been an increasingly audible voice stating that a team is less likely to make a deep run in the NCAA Tournament if it plays the maximum possible number of games in its conference tournament the week before.
The two main points this voice uses in its assertion are: 1) Sometimes a good team needs a loss before the big dance in order to restore focus, and 2) Playing three (or four) games in as many days will leaves a team exhausted and vulnerable the week after.
To put it mildly, this is a sentiment I take issue with.
I formed the opinion at a young age that there was no such thing as a good loss, and rolled my eyes every time I heard a coach bust out the cliché from that point forward (and then had to run sprints). I'm also a firm believer in game-to-game momentum, that a winning streak actually inspires a team to play harder rather than go through the motions while thinking about how great it is.
The groups that need more than three days of rest to be 100% for a game and the ones that aren't mature enough to approach each and every contest with the right mindset are probably the ones you want to avoid advancing too far in your office pool. If a team doesn't have the focus to win in early March or the legs to win three games in three days, then it likely doesn't have the focus to win in late March or the legs to win six games in three weeks.
The point I'm trying to make and will now hammer you over the head with is that conference tournament performance matters, even for the teams that are locks to hear their names called on Selection Sunday.
People nowadays are always bringing "facts" into arguments, and since I'm a sucker for fads (anyone wanna compare pogs later?), I'll go ahead and share a few for you all to wrap your heads around (literally).
- All four national semifinalists a year ago won their conference tournament, and three of the final four teams left standing in 2007 did as well.
- The combined NCAA Tournament record of the six major conference tournament champions last year was 17-5.
- There were 12 conferences that sent multiple teams to the NCAA Tournament in 2007. Of those 12, only three (WAC, A-10, Pac-10) had a team that didn't advance to its conference tournament championship game advance further in the NCAA Tournament than a team that did. Of those three teams, only UCLA won more than one game.
- There were 10 conferences that sent multiple teams to the NCAA Tournament in 2008. Of those 10, only three (Big East, A-10, SEC) had a team that didn't win its conference tournament advance further in the NCAA Tournament than the team that did.
- All six BCS conference tournament champions advanced to the Elite Eight in 2007. The other two quarterfinalists were Memphis - which won the Conference USA Tournament - and UCLA.
- The combined NCAA Tournament record of the six BCS conference tournament champions in 2007 was 24-5. Of those five losses, only one (Kansas' Elite Eight loss to UCLA) came against a non-fellow BCS conference tournament champion.
- Eight of the last 11 national champions have won their conference tournament. North Carolina in '05, Syracuse in '03 and Maryland in '02 are the exceptions.
- Fourteen of the last 20 Final Four teams have been conference tournament champions, and three of those six teams that didn't win their league title played in the same conference as the fellow semifinalist which did.
I'm not trying to say that winning a tournament title gives a team some magic edge heading into the big dance, I'm just saying that the best teams in the country generally win their conference tournaments and are at absolutely no disadvantage when play resumes five or six days later.
There is no part of you that should be quietly wondering whether or not Louisville advancing to Saturday night's title game is a good or a bad thing. You want U of L to bring home the big trophy from Madison Square Garden.
Go Cards.
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That "Healthy Loss" conceit
is overdone.
Also overdone is how difficult it is to “play five days in a row,” for the lower seeded teams.
Hell, these guys are 19, 20, (and in Greg Oden’s case 34) years old. This is what they love to do. Many of them play twenty minutes or less, and there are so many TV timeouts they should all be completely replenished when the horn sounds. And couldn’t some of the readers of the Chronicle expend similar amounts of energy for five days in a row (in admittedly different facets of life) when they were that age?
Too bad we have to hear the somnolescent Len Elmore announce some of the games from the ill lit, saucer like, almost sepia, MSG. No chance for any BE Tournament rotation, I guess.
He guys, make sure the seats in the downtown arena are nice and steep.
Let's run this BET and make a #1 seed moot
and super charge us to run deep in the Big Dance
DEEP
as in win the f-ing thing!
In short...
Good teams win. Both their conference tourneys and the big dance.
Grog
"There is no OFF position to the genius switch" - D. Letterman
I'm with Frank
Let’s hope we win the tournament in New York and carrying that momentum into the NCAA. Does anyone else think that we have yet to put together our best basketball? I mean, we’ve done remarkably well on the road, but in that win at West Virginia, for instance, there were several stretches where we looked pretty inept offensively.
The consistent thing is our willingness, our dedication, to playing defense. The effort we expend on the defensive end is enduring this team to its fans. For years to come, I think, we’ll be saying “we were good defensively tonight, but man, that team in ’09 was something else….”
theoldman
Carry. I meant to type "carry"
Stupid fingers.
theoldman
Couldn't. Agree. More
This was the subject of one of my first posts when I joined CC; I’ve always believed that there is no “Good Loss” either and I’m glad Mike posted some stats to back it up.
Roz mentions Len Elmore, which is approrpriate. This weekend, when his commentating partner brought up the advantage of losing early in the conf tourny to get a break prior to the NCAA, Len put him in his place.
He echoed Mike’s points above that these are conditioned athletes in their late teens/early 20s—they can play for days…and the momentum and lack of rust a team yields from an impressive run in the conf tourney is tenfold more important than a couple more days of rest on top of the 5-6 days teams get anyways.
by UL is my hot hot sex on Mar 9, 2009 2:58 PM EDT reply actions
Wish I'd read this before I made my picks.
Impressive stats. I’d love to get that win, but I’m just not sure it’s in the cards in MSG (no pun intended).
The thing heard a lot, especially in the Big East, is that playing three or four tough and physical games in a row will tire a team out. That’s complete garbage.
These are college super-athletes at the top of their physical peak, plus they get at least three days off from end of conference tourney to NCAA tourney. And that’s a minimum, if their conference ‘ship is on a Sunday and their 1st round tourney game is a Thursday. Usually it’s four or even five whole days between games. Not to mention, if you’re a big conference team and you made it to your conference title game, your first round matchup will be against the Northern Iowa’s of the world.
I think the comment about tiring a team out throughout the tournament is a valid point.
But it’s really only valid when you’re talking about the lower teams that pull off the major upset. A team like Georgia last year comes to mind. They played out of their mind and out of body in the SEC tournament, and by the time the first round of the NCAA came around, they couldn’t put up nearly the same kind of fight. Sure, they were way over matched, but you could just see they didn’t have the same kind of aggressiveness.
But when you’re talking about top teams like Louisville and Pitt, I agree. So, in short, this post was rather useless overall, but just good fun for discussion.

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