Problem with the Tournament?
I stumbled onto this article today, entitled "How to save college basketball" I had no idea it needed saving, and I wondered why the disconnect. So I read...
http://www.andthevalleyshook.com/2009/3/25/809788/how-to-save-college-basket
...and my immediate reaction is that it must depend on geography/allegiance, from fan to fan. As a Cardinal fan I don't think you could find more than a handful of people in the area who would understand this article at all in the sense that between economically thriving programs like UofL and UK, we can't see this problem anywhere. But I have heard these cries from fans of other schools and I feel like it has to depend on how much focus\money is put on\into the basketball program at each given school. Our programs can generally maintain a higher winning percentage (does anyone really expect UK to be down for long?) and aren't scrambling so much for recruits and ratings. The problem elsewhere, I feel, is just that there is too much competition.
Look at what happened to the SEC this year: generally regarded as a football conference, how can these schools be expected to compete with others that dedicate so many resources to basketball alone? I don't just mean Big East schools like Georgetown and UConn--which have built basketball empires and barely offer intramural football--I mean especially the mid-majors and low-majors. Does Gonzaga even field a football team? How often do you hear about Creighton, St. Mary's, Xavier, Cleveland St., Austin Peay, VCU, or Hofstra before the start of basketball season? Tthese schools field very good basketball teams, but they are coming out of conferences brimming over with mediocrity or worse. And when one of those even lessers pulls off a cinderella in the conference tournament, it makes a great story but it waters down the field of 65 and lowers ratings. I'm sure the 5,000 or so fans of Coppin State are tuning in, but by half time they are the only ones left.
Maybe I'm biased, taking the perspective of one of the big boys, but I really feel like there are WAAAY too many Division I schools in college basketball. I think maybe some of the winningest low and mid majors should be consolidated into some combination of CUSA/A10/MAAC/Pacific/SunBelt, and then drop the rest of the the teams into a subdivision. Maybe they get an allotment of 8 spots in the tournament for 4 play-in games and the rest of the at-large field comes from more talent-concentrated big conferences.
Whatever. I'm actually quite okay with the way things are, but this is how I perceive the supposed problem. Am I out of my mind?
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Long Ago Tomorrow
We’ve spoken about it before, but the halcyon days for college hoops, in general, and the Cardinals in particular, were the 1980’s. Not only did the decade showcase all of Louisville’s Final Four’s, but it featured the two most memorable games ever played, the Valvano NC State upset over the Houston Cougars in ’83, and the impossible win for Vilanova over the dark and scarey evil empire of the Hoyas two years later.
We’ll never hit those heights again, and many of the younger readers of Master Rutherford’s non pareil daily journal can merely “try to remember,” a time in which they didn’t live. It’s like Frank, and Linda, and theoldman, and me reflecting on Babe Ruth, or Jimmy Foxx, or Joe Dimaggio (less than 20 more strikeouts than home runs in his CAREER) or some other legend that preceded us. We are awed, then imagine, then accept. To convey the excitement, the newness, and the pure joy of the time would be, to borrow an old rock lyric, “like tryin’ to tell a stranger about rock ’n roll”.
It had the newness of your first love affair.
Does everybody have that? Good.
The NCAA Tournament in the 1980’s was The Show. Nothing else even came close.
That said, it’s still the best thing going. We Big East types are interested in just about every Big East game, and are certainly interested in every Cardinal game. Yes there is Cardinal baseball, and Cardinal football, and some of the other sports, but many of us, especially the non locals, go into subdued mode in a couple of weeks, because we are not natives and cannot relate as well to the other programs that have not had such a national profile.
So the ratings are down, but ratings are generally down for everything. The biggest mistake the NCAA could do would be to “dumb-down” the tournament as to appeal even more to the masses. Yes, I’m a reactionary, and I know that’s not always good, but if individual tastes could be usurped by Nielsen television ratings, we’d all be watching “Dancing With The Stars” simply because more people are already watching it. And that’s not the way to have fun.
Good post, Yawnz. I wish that the dude would have offered a way to save college hoops, though.
Memphis to go home tonight.
We win big, tomorrow. As easy as macaroni and cheese.
All of Louisville's Final Fours in the 80s?
How quickly we forget 2005. I hope that was just an oversight.
I'm sure we'll be re-writing history
The same way two decades from now.
by Mike Rutherford on Mar 26, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions
You gotta trust me on this
I may have been re-writing history, but, honest Mike, it wasn’t “revisionist history.” That’s the way things really were.
No, I did not forget.
Semantics. I mean that the ’80’s held the Louisville Final Fours along with the NC State and ‘Nova games. “All,” obviously did not include ’05 because ’05 was not in the ’80’s.
Man, Card, you’re makin’ me work too hard.
An enigma, wrapped inside a riddle, encased in a puzzle, and surrounded by one of those Russian Dolls whose name I do not know.
Ain't broke...
My first thought when people start wondering how to tweak the NCAA basketball tourney is that this ain’t broke, and it does NOT need fixing. It is the best tournament of any sport at any level anywhere on the planet.
Now… having said that… I wouldn’t mind seeing 6 more small school teams getting a shot with 3 more play-in games. Or whatever the NCAA wants to call them. Having the small schools threaten the big boys is kinda fun. But seriously, by the time we’re down to 16 or 8 or 4, they ain’t got a snowball’s chance and the serious business has begun.
"There is no OFF position to the genius switch" - D. Letterman
Perfection -1
The only problem is the play in game. I just don’t get it. I know why they did it, but I just don’t get it. It’s just plain silly. Those two teams should have just been in the tournament as automatic qualifiers in the same round as all the other automatic qualifiers. i.e. one should have taken Arizona’s spot. coincidentally, it’s the same region.
I thought the play-in game in the past was for two specific conferences, but not I’m pretty sure it’s not, because I don’t think the OVC would have been one of those two conferences. I guess it’s just for the two teams seeded lowest overall.
I just don’t like it. I think it’s a slight, an anti-climatic ending for a team that has earned it’s way into the tournament.
Other than that, don’t change a thing. Except the atrocity CBS pulled during our second round game the other night.
The play-in...
…should be for two of the highest rated bubble teams. Alabama State and Morehead State deserve their shots for winning their conferences.
When I get sad, I stop being sad and be awesome again.
-Barney Stinson
I like this,
Though it would skew the seedings a little. Maybe it wouldn’t have to be a play-in for a 16 seed. Maybe Arizona and Creighton should have played for that 12 seed. And instead of a play-in game you could call it the kick-off game, a bigger matchup could exponentially increase the post-selection/pre-tournament frenzies. A bit of an appertif. It could be NBA All-Star weekend type of hype, with dunk contests, and games of horse! and face painting!!! and pony rides!!!!! and we’ll make half-court shots worth 10 points!!!!!!!!! And if they are tied at the end of regulation we throw weapons down on the court and they fight to the death!!!!!!!!
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wha—hrmm,.. sorry. I must have blacked out, the last thing I remember I was thinking about how to tweak the NCAAs and then, blackness. I can’t remember what I was saying. Hold on, I’ll scroll up.
Holy shit! That’s a freaking great idea! They should totally fight to the death!!!! (Excuse my ellipses and exclamatinos, I’m very excited and haven’t slept in a while. And yes I spelled that correctly: “exclamatinos.” It was accidental epenthesis turned awesome rename and I just invented it. In fifty years you can tell all your grandchildren you were here and you witnessed the birth of something truly special.)
I love the new word, "exclamatinos"
and i think the play in game needs to go away. Like, Hari, i know why it is there, but i dont understand what is so sacred about 34 at large teams. Would anyone really care if it were 33 other than those one or two teams that would gripe about being left out (by the way, there will always be those teams no matter how many teams are let into the dance). As for the idea about letting the bubble teams play for that final spot as a 12 seed somewhere — it’s better than two teams who won their conference tournaments and deserve to be in the big dance, but it still seems like a waste. If you didn’t play your way in or earn it by who you played, where you played, and how you did, then tough shit. Yeah, St. Mary’s, San Diego St., Creighton, etc. all say we hsould have gotten in and have soe arguments, but it boils down to the fact that they didn’t play enough good teams, they didnt win enough games against the good teams they faced, or they didnt take care of business in the conference tournament.
Also, Go Cards
by Ben Go CARDS on Mar 27, 2009 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions

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