One seedy fanpost at a time
Maybe I'm too hung on conspiracy theories, or maybe I'm one of those overly defensive fans who feels like his team never gets as much respect as some of its peers do. Maybe I'm wrong - maybe when the selection committee meets the table is cleared of preconceptions and the data comes to the forefront. Of course even if that is true, data is often as relative as conjecture. If one poll says we're 4 and one poll says we're 5, which one is right? And what do all of the seeding variables mean to UofL?
CardsFanTx says the selection committee doesn't put as much weight behind the conference tournaments as they do the regular season. But when you have a conference as interlocked as the Big East is, it stands to reason that the tourney will provide natural breaking points to use as seeding benchmarks. With that said - If Louisville wins the season then loses its first game of the tourney, the committee will pair that up with some of our uglier losses and give the 1 seeds to UConn and Pitt.
I don't think the door swings both ways though, if either Uconn or Pitt wins the regular season I think THEY could lose early in the tourney and still score a 1 seed since both of those squads spent some time at no. 1 this year while we never cracked higher than our preseason 3 (4?). Of course one of those teams is going to lose again, which helps . It is conceivable that if we win out our last 3 games but UConn beats pitt and wins the regular season title, that perhaps we can still snare a 1 seed as long as we make it further than Pitt in the BET.
I also think that despite what the committee says, it is going to use whatever measuring sticks it has available to make the case for the sexiest 1 seeds. The committee will do whatever it wants unless there are very serious flaws in the logic, hell sometimes it'll do what it wants in SPITE of serious logical flaws.
So then in my mind it comes down to this: There are 7 or 8 teams that I think have one-seed potential. UNC, OK, UConn, Pitt, Memphis, UofL, Duke and possibly Mich. St. (MSU seems at first blush to be a long shot, but their RPI is almost exactly the same as UofL's and at some point someone is going to raise a stink that RPI, Sagarin & KenPom all rate the Big 10 as tougher than the Big East. It's a crock of shit, but it could easily get brought up). Which of those teams does the committee like better? Which make the most marketable brackets? In my mind the committee would prefer things to shake out like this for purposes of storyline:
1) UNC 2) UConn 3) OK 4) Pitt.
The NCAA, ESPN and those involved have spent a lot of energy this season talking about these 4 teams because they each have highly marketable, newsreel-ready stars. Hansbrough, Thabeet, Griffin and Blair. They can hang tons of effortless coverage off these big guys. The legwork has already been done, furthermore these guys have been set up all year as the NCAA's major players, the drama comes naturally. But these lousy teams are messing up the NCAA's shit up by losing late season games they are supposed to be winning. So if the committee can't have its fave four who do they want?
Of the remaining four contenders Duke is the sexiest, but they probably have the most work left to do to atone for their late -season missteps. I think Louisville is the logical next best option. We've gotten a lot more national airplay and SportsCenter coverage than Memphis & Mich St. so there is a familiarity. Mich. St. would be the third choice to rope in Big Ten country. Memphis represents the weakest conference in the discussion and overall the smallest fanbase though they are much closer to a top seed than Duke and certainly MSU.
Which of these teams is the most likely to get the 1 seed? Well, that depends entirely upon which of the Fave Four falters.
- If either Pitt or UConn drop, Uof L is the natural, deserving replacement.
- If Pitt & UConn hold strong and OK drops off, the sooners probably get replaced by Memphis, even though the Tigers biggest wins are over UT & Gonzaga (both of whom are horrible this year, and when you consider that Georgetown and Syracuse both have W's over Memphis, this is a sickening 1-seed but I don't see a world in which the Big East gets three 1 seeds.
- If UNC ends up losing two more games (one to Duke) then Duke's stock will rise to the point that it will replace UNC as the 1 seed. NCAA bylaws state that 1 ACC team must have a 1 seed - preferably UNC.
- If more than two of the Fave Fours and two of the second choices stumble and the rivers run black and the locusts come, they will bring with them a 1-seeded spartan team.
- For any marquette apologists out there who wonder why I've ignored them, allow me to es'plain - the only way Marquette gets a 1 seed is if they Beat UConn tonight, UofL in the Hall on Sunday and Pitt at PEC next wednesday. Don't get me wrong, the Golden Eagles could beat any of the aforementioned and win one, even two of these games. But in the pantheon of unlikelinesses I place them stringing together those 3 wins in 8 days somewhere between Earl Clark coming back for a senior year and Jim Calhoun willingly taking a 50% paycut.
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Great post
But in the pantheon of unlikelinesses I place them stringing together those 3 wins in 8 days somewhere between Earl Clark coming back for a senior year and Jim Calhoun willingly taking a 50% paycut.
Ha! Great post e.
I agree with most everything you say, but I personally feel Memphis holds a slight edge over OK for that #1 seed (which is crap of course), if nothing else but because they’ll have put together such a “strong” finish, compared to OK’s 2 straight losses w/out Blake “this isn’t where I parked my car” Griffin.
by SpeedStudent on Feb 25, 2009 5:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
the committee will take Blake's absence into consideration
up to a point. So, I think OK is ok right now. Maybe not 1 loss from now.
e
by ericdedwar on Feb 25, 2009 6:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You know that's realy not fair
The last time I couldn’t see straight, nobody had any leniency for me. They didn’t even let me finish my beer before they had me out of the truck and cuffed.
by sarasota-card on Feb 25, 2009 6:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Fair? Fair? But Sarasota,
This Is Bail Out Nation, with leniency for everybody but you.
NCAA Selection Committee…
http://pqliving.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/funnyfaces6001.jpg
Oh, if it were only true.
P.S. Guarantee Number 1 seed for UCONN. The Huskies are cousin to the guy on the left.
by Roz on Feb 25, 2009 8:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Your right, no bail out for me.
I made the mistake of getting into a mortgage I can afford (barely). But I degress back to basketball… If Louisville gets shaffed by the “Committe,” we’ll always have the disrespected, us-against-the-world chip on our shoulder to motivate us through the tournament. Cause getting a higher than expected seed didn’t work last year.
by sarasota-card on Feb 25, 2009 11:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if you were averaging a double double
things might have turned out differently.
personally speaking, I too get the cuffed and trucked treatment.
e
by ericdedwar on Feb 25, 2009 6:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
couple quick critiques
1. CardsFanTx is right.
2. You mentioned the word “Duke” in your post and it got my simple brain all confused. In what universe does Duke have a shot in hell at a #1 seed? Did the committee recently revamp the criteria and give extra points for fading down the stretch? Did they remove “quality wins” as a criteria? Duke will be fortunate to get a 2 seed.
Also, I assume you have never met a Duke co-ed, or you would have refrained from putting the word “sexy” anywhere near the word “Duke”. For those not informed, Duke girls are disgusting. This is not an overgeneralization. This is fact.
Or maybe you were referring to coach K, or his trusty floor-smacking sidekick Wojo. Because they are definitely sexy.
3. Marquette has no shot at a 1 seed. None. And I would have written this before the Uconn game tonight.
4. The effect of media coverage on seedings is somewhere between quite negligible and none at all. You don’t really believe that ESPN representatives are in the selection room tapping the committee members on the shoulders reminding them to create favorable matchups that will result in greater tv ratings, do you? This is a conspiracy theory I would do away with.
I do like your breakdown. I just think you could have simplified it by leaving Duke, Marquette, and even Michigan State out of the discussion entirely. If it ins’t one of the top four you mention, its Memphis or the Ville. And its probably the ’ville.
by kidbourbon on Feb 25, 2009 11:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Dear Kid
1) CardFanTx is right, in general, but if you don’t think the BET comes into play this year then you are snoozing. The top three are too close for it not to.
2) Duke is a national program, nationally hated maybe, but national. National programs are always sexy.
3) I only suggested that had Marquette beaten UConn, UofL & Pitt would they have been a one seed. And like I said, they couldn’t, so they won’t be.
4) I might be taking a conspiracy theory a touch far, but at its core what I am suggesting is not outlandish. Les Moonves has to eat too you know.
5) I basically said it would take a miracle of biblical proportions for Mich St. to be a 1 seed, but it is not completely impossible. I stand by that.
Glad to see you joining the fray pdiddy. Good luck to your vols, I know they’ll give some poor five-seed absolute fits in the first round.
e
by ericdedwar on Feb 25, 2009 11:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
For the record
I also said that they likely would look at the conf. tourney if it’s a really close call between a couple top teams. But overall, I maintain that a close inspection of recent selection committee seedings indicate quite clearly that they largely (not entirely, but largely) ignore tourney results from the major conf’s.
by CardsFanTX on Feb 26, 2009 12:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Memphis
I will literally lose my shit, it will be completely misplaced, if Memphis ends up with a one seed. understand that a lot of things would need to happen for that to happen but just that it’s a possibility “gets my blood a boilin’.”
by jbrobe04 on Feb 26, 2009 7:27 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Me Too
Cal was on Jim Rome yesterday, playing the role of “Cal.”
It made me immediately run to the closet and grab my John Chaney “Temple White” linen shirt (the one with so much starch that the collar just about cuts into your neck) for a prospective beat down.
He played up the “Us Against Them” underdog thing, even though he has another quasi pro team just like last year.
I don’t care anything about what seed they will be, but it is always sweet when they go out.
by Roz on Feb 26, 2009 9:35 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I will share these feelings if UK gets in
with a 20-11 record. Odds are they will end up with that record.
Crappy team with a storied past gets in once again…what is this the BCS?
by twistedwedge on Feb 26, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It does suck
and I hate Memphis and always will. But you gotta know they’re gonna get a #1 if they win out, which is very likely. They’re ranked too high and we already know that Pitt’s gonna drop after losing to Providence. UConn’s gonna be #1 (barring an upset), but they still have to play @Pitt. We also know that OK will drop under Memphis with their last 2 losses. Unless Memphis flops against UTEP or loses in a major upset after that, they’re just about a lock for a #1 seed. Blech!
by CardsFanTX on Feb 26, 2009 10:47 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yep. I agree 100000%
and I would be willing to put money on it. If they win out-Memphis St will have a 1 seed come dance time. Mark it down.
Does seeding in the tournament field ever pan out like it should?
by twistedwedge on Feb 26, 2009 1:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Priceless
“NCAA bylaws state that 1 ACC team must have a 1 seed – preferably UNC.”
Thanks, Eric, that’s the best laugh I’ve had today.
by rickinva on Feb 26, 2009 11:26 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

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