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Once Upon A Time

Recently, fellow poster, Hari Seldon, pointed out that many of the younger generation, don’t really care about what happened years ago, don’t really care that Unitas went to UofL, don’t really care about history.  He was correct, of course, but that doesn’t make it right.

 

So we play Cincy today.  Huggins, Thuggins, Kenyon Martin,  maybe Nick Van X,  if you go back that far.

 

Well, there was a basketball program up the Ohio long before that.

 

Oscar Robertson, the “Big O’ (before every half way decent player had a flashy nickname) may have been the best college player of all time, better than Alcindor, better than Walton.  He led the Bearcats to national prominence in the late ‘50’s and along with Jerry West of West Virginia, became one of the best NBA players in history.  He was a tall two guard with a great jumper, excellent assist man, and could rebound.  I always preferred West in the NBA because of his defense, but Oscar once averaged a Triple Double for the SEASON.

 

The Cincinati Bearcats, led by Ed Jucker, went to five Final Fours in a row.  I’m gonna say that again, FIVE Final Fours in a row.  And much of this was accomplished after Oscar graduated.  The early 60’s team led by George Wilson, Tom Thacker, and Ron Bonham, won the NCAA championship two years in a row, and were nipped by Loyola of Chicago in OT in their third attempt.  The vanquished victims in the championship games were the Ohio State Buckeyes.  The Buckeye team was led by Jerry Lucas, Larry Siegfried, John Havlicek, Mel Nowell (who all had significant NBA careers), and a slow moving, always gunning, substitute guard, named Bob Knight, who couldn’t shoot, and played shitty defense.  And by the way, three of the Final Fours were played, you guessed it, at Freedom Hall.

 

Yeah, it was long, long ago, but that should not make Cincy’s accomplishment less distinguished, less important.  It was hard to win an NCAA championship back then, too.

And to diminish their run merely because so much time has gone by,  will, at some point, begin to diminish our championship years of 1980 and 1986.  After all, it has been a while between sips for us, too.

 

And we all know what George Santayana said about history and stuff:

 “Those who fail to learn from the events of history are destined never to return to the Final Four.” 

 

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Roz Asimov?

The Card Chronicle Foundation, where classic sci-fi meets college hoops.

speaking of cards psychohistory – this morning’s OTL focused on “The Package Deal” in college basketball. They were talking about the growing industry of hiring asst. coaches to get top recruits and what sprang to mind? Wade Houston. Bastard. Allen was supposed to be a card, dammit. I wonder if Coach K has any of Nolan Smith’s coaches or relatives on staff? I wouldn’t be surprised.

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by ericdedwar on Feb 22, 2009 9:36 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Roz, I hadn't seen this piece.

BTW, Roz is of course paraphrasing Santayana, who was never any good at bracketology.

Many BBall fans do not remember the season-long triple double by the Big O in the NBA, paving the way for a bit of the high-flying, acrobatic moves you see today

nor do a lot remember Cincy’s run of dominance.

Thanks for the reminder…

by frankpos on Feb 22, 2009 9:47 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, e,

And when I think of Wade going to Tennessee and taking his son it is one of those deliniations in time that, for me, marked a major fissure in the Roman Empire. Almost Biblical proportions as Frank would say, and it hangs on me like Everick’s clanger at the buzzer against Ball State in 1990. The end of the world as we knew it.
 But Hell, you know that Denny wasn’t gonna stop him. And Eric, I have heard that as important as losing Allen’s productivity, so too important was losing Wade’s recruiting skills. You and Frank would probably know more about that.

by Roz on Feb 22, 2009 11:53 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No, you've stated it perfectly--

Wade and Allen leaving marked a turning point

but Denny was like Rick—he was proud to spin off a coach (like Wooden and himself too)

and honorable to let Wade’s son go, without a word, except encouragement.

So no one of that era really harbors any hard feelings toward Wade

by frankpos on Feb 22, 2009 1:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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