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Notre Dame 90, Louisville 57

Honestly, where do you start?

A part of me wants to lay into the team and advocate everyone panicking because of that type of effort this late in the season. Another part wants to write this off as a team in an offensive slump running into a team with its back to the wall playing in an arena that has historically been a tough place to win for visitors. And a third part wants to say that sometimes this sort of thing just happens. It's happened to Duke, it's happened to Clemson, it's happened to Wake Forest, it's (sort of) happened to Connecticut and it happened to the '05 Final Four team.

The truth is we won't know whether Thursday night was a sign of impending doom, an aberration or a complete fluke for another month or so.

Right now, it's simply embarrassing.

Let's start with the head.

Terrence Williams: if you want everything you say you do, you can't do that, my man. A hurt wrist isn't an excuse for playing devoid of any sense of energy or passion, it isn't an excuse for refusing to rebound and it isn't an excuse for leaving Ryan Ayers alone for uncontested three-pointers on a handful of key possessions.

Leaders don't take nights off, they don't let their energy level drop when things aren't going their way, and they don't let the teammates who look up to them get away with half-assing anything and everything for 40 minutes.

It's on you to get this fixed.

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If anyone deserves to be spared from having their feet put to the flames, it's Samardo Samuels. Not only did the freshman come out looking to prove a point in the game's opening minutes, but he and Preston Knowles were the only guys on the floor competing when the game was out of reach in the second half.

It's a good sign for his progression, but not a real good sign for the team's.

Nobody thinks of Luke Harangody as a great shooter for his size, but if he had better form, wouldn't everybody? The shots look so ridiculous, but night after night he knocks them down with consistency, a fact that does make him a tremendous jump shooter for his size.

A shot that goes in by any other name is still worth two points.

I realize the game was, for all intents and purposes, over, but why Will Scott in that situation? Sure he can shoot, but against a team playing man, having Scott in makes the game 4-on-5 on both ends of the floor. Apparently Pitino was mad at Preston for something, but give me some Kuric or some Delk.

I was pissed at the end, but I still really, really wanted a Lee sighting.

I don't want to go through this without praising the Irish, because they played well and with heart, and they would have won even if Louisville hadn't spent 40 minutes thinking about Party of Five.

Pitino said earlier this week that the media needed to respect this team for what it is: an outstanding defensive squad that's going to have its struggles on the offensive end. That's fine, but teams fitting that description don't win national titles or make it to Final Fours. Teams like that do what last year's Washington State team did: look impressive in its opening weekend games in the NCAA Tournament and then get pounded when they run up against a team that can get it done on the offensive end against anybody.

Points off turnovers will work against a mid-major conference champion in the first round, but this team has to find a way to get points out of its offensive sets if it's serious about making a run to Detroit. The offense has to center around Williams, the one playmaker the team has who has proven himself capable of making the right decision (*cough* Earl *cough*) once he gets into the lane.

I suppose all we can do is hope something clicks in practice sometime very soon.

I love the way Terrence Jennings has been able to transform his game in such a short time, but somebody tell me why we were so adamant on feeding him in the post when we were down 18 early in the second half? What has he shown offensively to make the other four guys on the floor so confident that he was going to be able to score consistently on Harangody and Hillesland? That made no sense to me, but then again neither did the whole night.

Simply put, our points guards have to be better. They don't have to be Ty Lawson or Steph Curry, but they just can't be as bad as they've been for the last three games.

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Why in the world did Mike Brey have Jackson, McAlarney and 'Gody in the game with his squad up 30 and less than three minutes to play? I don't think he was trying to run up the score or anything, I just think it's odd to put yourself in a position where if one of those three guys goes down you're going to be crucified by your fan base and the local media.

You really only go seven deep and those guys just had a hell of a night, let them chill for a little bit, Mike. The Big East is a rough league, I'm told.

Earl Clark seems to have adopted the pre-'08-'09 Terrence Williams mentality of making one bad outside shot justifies taking three more.

Go. To. The. Bucket. Earl.

Also, apparently it takes someone hitting him across the face with a bottle to draw a whistle. I'd be a lot more angry about it if he weren't putting up 0-fers from the charity stripe.

That's seven straight bad halves since these guys looked like national champions for 20 minutes in Morgantown. If there isn't marked improvement on Sunday against Depaul - a program whose thorough domination will be discussed tomorrow - you have my permission to loot each and every establishment on Frankfort Avenue.

Again, I apologize for not taking a firm stance one way or the other on what took place last night, the fact of the matter is I simply have no idea as far as what to make of what I witnessed. Yes, the Irish were playing for their NCAA Tournament lives, yes Louisville came into the game struggling offensively, yes the Joyce Center is a tough place to play, and yes the team was at a disadvantage not getting in until game day, but...90-57??? It's simply astounding.

Still, let's end with this: Louisville just tasted defeat on the road in the Big East for the first time all season, and still sits with a record of 9-2 and a real shot to capture the regular season crown in the toughest conference in America. The Cardinals' next seven Big East games will be nowhere near as difficult as their first seven, a stretch U of L made it through unscathed.

Last night was indescribably brutal, but the opportunity to make it a distant memory come mid-March certainly exists. This can be fixed, and Thursday can be forgotten.

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struggling offense

There looks no chemistry among player in the offense. There seems no strategy except 3 point shooting or inside out 3 point attempt. Teams prepared well can easily handle the pressure in the defense side and even take great advantage of the problem of our defense in transition.
Rome is not built in one day, but at least make progress step by step. Hope!

by mycards on Feb 13, 2009 3:25 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Your right

“No chemistry among the players on offense.” No Biology. No History. No Calculus, either.
Sometimes it seems as if they’ve never spent a moment together in the gym.
The Helter-Skelter game worked well for UK in the 90’s with the consistent outside shooting.
We don’t have that luxury.
And the last set play we had that ever worked was Keiser’s shot against the UCLANS.
But I was so much older then, I’m younger then that now.

by Roz on Feb 13, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Good stuff

I think the most important point you made was about the defense of this team. It’s great to be the best defensive team in the country, but offense still wins games. If you look back, most of the teams that won the title over the last decade were very good shooting teams. That is the fatal flaw of this team and the fatal flaw of Pitino tenure. Remember Loften couldn’t play defense, but he sure could shoot.

Second, Swopshire may end up as a great player, but he’s not ready to compete this year. It’s time for Delk, who has been part of the program for two years, to get a chance. I don’t really care if he misses a defensive assignment or two. For the life of me, I can’t understand why Swop continues to get time over Delk.

As for Earl, he’s an immature head case. He’s pouty and more concenred about showcasing his bad outside shooting to the NBA scouts. He needs to get down on the block and rebound. Work from the inside to the outside. He’s a terribly predictable player who shoots off balance shots from bad angles.

A couple of years ago, I said Pitino’s reliance on defenseball was hurting the offense on this team. The defense needs to be good, but with some offense, it doesn’t need to be great. Until the recruiting efforts change, the shooting will always be a problem. Defenseball will only get us so far.

by Whacker77 on Feb 13, 2009 3:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Ambiguity is the new optimism

Seeing as how there is absolutely no way to put a positive spin on a game that was in all likelihood more devastating to the fans than to the players, your ambiguity is warranted.
It would be overstating the importance of this game to try and imbue it with any more meaning than that which is readily evident: We got whipped by an offensive powerhouse who had slumbered its way into a potentially season-ending losing streak. The great irony is that we bookended the Irish’s streak by both starting it and ending it. Any game dripping with that much poetic justice almost has no alternative but to go the way it did.
If Notre Dame hadn’t been playing such astoundingly bad basketball for the past three weeks I would have spent more time listening to the knot in my stomach that was speaking the truth: Notre Dame is WAY not this bad. They played us to the hilt in The Hall, they have one of the best perimeter shooting teams in the country and until recently they were unstoppable in South Bend. None of those things had changed just because they folded in their last 7 games. It’s not like they were injured, or suspended, or drunk. They were the same team who almost beat us, just with 7 more losses.
Of course the worst part is that WE know how good they can be, but people watching that game who may not be following those teams very closely will just assume that the Cards got dominated by a crappy Irish team. When in fact we got dominated by a better than average Irish team much the same way Wake recently got dominated by a mediocre Miami team. Either way, it sucks to go down like that.
On the plus side, Notre Dame can now play its way back into the tourney, bolstering the number of Big East teams in the dance which was starting to sag. On top of that UConn’s loss of Dyson means the best team in the Big East may not be quite as good as it was when we played them, so a BE title for us isn’t completely unrealistic.
Also on the plus side – it is almost physically impossible for us to play worse offense then we have for the last 3 games. We are bound to improve once we stop slinging up ill-advised threes and start working on penetrating the lane more consistently.
At least we can come home to DePaul, hopefully right the ship and get a head of steam going for the last leg of the regular season. Because one thing is for sure, if we play with the lack of intensity we showed last night, we may not win another Big East game.

e

by ericdedwar on Feb 13, 2009 3:49 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Cardinal Ennui

Good stuff, e.
I mentioned the other day that for some reason I was feeling n u m b about all things red and last night did nothing to change that . For a time there, I thought I was watching the Damion Dantzler Cardinals, the end of the Roman Empire Cardinals, and honestly, for a long time I didn’t even know that TWILL was even ON the court.
The season is so long, such a grind, and when the HOT tap is turned on and flowing, the Irish are a formidable team.

I wouldn’t want to run into them in a month. Worse yet, I wouldn’t want to run into them in say….six weeks.

by Roz on Feb 13, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

game wasn't too fun

My thoughts from the Joyce Center:

-Place is tiny, thought it would be a lot bigger, very cool venue though. Was def a hard place to play, got very loud. When Jerry airballed in the second half I have NEVER heard one place yell “airball” like that. That was my low point.

-Their starting lineups might have been cooler than ours. They shut the lights, play a cool video, and play Nas “Hate Me Now” only when announcing the players. I am pretty sure Nas went to ND so its cool to get alumni involved.

-Their fans were kinda dumb. I heard more complaints about the refs than any other gym I have ever been to. Mcgee and Preston play physical defense, but its the Big East, there will be contact without a whistle. Sat behind 4 army generals that were honored at half time so that was kind of neat. More on their fans to come.

-I would not have had sex with a single female in the Joyce Center. This may not be the right forum to express this but I have never seen a group of such ugly people in my life. Charlie Weiss was there too and he certainly didnt help the per capita attractiveness.

-I know I am too hard on Earl but I am getting fed up. He travels every time he touches the ball (waiting for one ref to have it out for him and call it every time) and his shot is nothing like he thinks it is.

-They dont serve beer, really could have used 1 or 13 last night. Did serve ice cream, had 2 scoops.

-I left with 7 minutes left and was grabbed by an older gentleman, approx age 70. He asked why I was leaving in a sarcastic tone and I just smiled. He wouldnt let go of my arm and said we should just put the white boys in now and I got enraged. I do have a slight temper so I decided to unload on this guy. I asked if we had played earlier this year and he said yea that went to to OT, this one isnt. I said You are 4-7 in the Big East, shut the f*** up and ended with an NIT rant. And that was the new low point.

by Web on Feb 13, 2009 4:00 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Should Have

had fisticuffs with the ancient dude. Croch lift and body slam. Gouge his eyes out with a foreign object. Then a sleeper hold. Finally, then you could S T R U T outta there, your arms spread to the masses and your countenance frozen in a beautiful “EFFFF YOU!!” posture..

Yes, Web, you can certainly represent.

I’ve penciled in a nice weekend for you..

by Roz on Feb 13, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

In most cases ...

it is inappropriate to throwdown on a 70-year-old man. Unless that man is Digger. In which case I think finding a new home for his highlighter wouldn’t be taking things too far at all.

e

by ericdedwar on Feb 13, 2009 5:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

nas

According to Wikipedia, Nas dropped out of middle school. Not quite ND material. As for the girls, combine smart people and northern Indiana and that’s what you get.

by centrecard on Feb 14, 2009 11:31 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

nice web..

always the class act…hahaha

by cardsfan80 on Feb 13, 2009 4:07 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Notre Dame

Has anyone else noticed that when you watch them play anyone else, ND looks like $hit, but that they always play UofL tough. Some examples:

1. Ryan Ayres is a complete liability on both sides of the ball against everyone else, against UofL he’s like JJ Redick.

2. Harangody plays horrible defense against everybody else and CONSTANTLY gets called for fouls. Against UofL, he gets called for no fouls in the post and forces UofL’s big men into 1-19 shooting in the paint (it sure felt that way, didnt it?).

3. Tory Jackson was destined to hit all of his 15-footers against UofL.

4. McAlarney. Nuff said.

5. EVERY single time against UofL, Harangody hits a series of sick turnaround set-shots from 17’ or a crazy running 12’ hook shot. I watch any other game involving ND and those are mainly misses.

Here is my one gripe about UofL:

1. Why is Earl Clark floating around the perimeter? They need to have Earl park himself under the basket so Samuels can get the ball and at least have the option of throwing it to Earl for a dunk. As it stands, Samardo gets the ball and either misses a 2-footer (he must be shooting 25/200 from the 3’ and in mark) or passes to Earl for a missed 3 or a travel or a wild running shot which he gets fouled on but with no call.

by Quinn1979 on Feb 13, 2009 4:22 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Louisville played a decent amount of zone last night, which helped Ayers and McAlarney get some opportunities while letting Harangody slither (if a man of that build can slither) to the rim. The fact the Cardinal offense struggled and gave the Irish some opportunities for run-outs also helped out the Irish scoring. And I assure you, that turnaround 17-footer falls more often than not no matter who the Irish are playing. It’s not pretty, but it’s been pretty effective since last season. The guy knows how to score, style points be damned.

http://www.rakesofmallow.com

by CW on Feb 13, 2009 7:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with Ayers and Jackson

But BadHairOnGody consistently puts up more than 20 points per game.

by CARD_G6 on Feb 13, 2009 8:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You're right

But I was in Nashville, so technically I’m right.

It makes sense, trust me.

by Mike Rutherford on Feb 13, 2009 4:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What pissed me off more than anything with this team

is the fact that they seem okay with shooting 46% percent from the line. What a fucking joke, I could do that in fifth grade after running five miles and doing 1 pushup

by sam34gtr on Feb 13, 2009 4:28 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

You're right

And the one who instills the most confidence……SamSam.

by Roz on Feb 13, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

New nickname for Sosa

I no longer see Good or Bad Sosa, but more of a “Mild Sosa.” He no longer does anything good or bad, just going through the motions. We need his dribble penetration in order to be effective offensively, period. I actually do think he is playing much better defense which is great, but he no longer is providing an offensive threat. Very troubling

Go Cards

by MU2D on Feb 13, 2009 4:40 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Damnit

You are more creative than me. Guess that why they pay you the big bucks

by MU2D on Feb 13, 2009 5:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure about the future

We’re not going to become a good shooting team overnight. We’re not going to suddenly find offensive sets, patterns and a flex offense that will give us open look after open look — unless the coaching staff has been hiding something all year.

This is the wrong time to be struggling, though every team has some lulls occasionally. This team’s problems are often overcome by extreme defensive effort, but when that effort isn’t consistent, the problems become readily apparent.

For instance, there are times when our guards pressure the ball so effectively the other team has trouble getting into its offense. Then there are other times when the teams we are playing have effective guards who aren’t bothered by on—the-ball pressure, and when that happens the lack of defensive effort by others on our team becomes visible, too. We aren’t good enough to have three or four guys playing with defensive intensity, because good teams will find the two guys who aren’t paying hard and exploit the dickens out of them. All five have to be playing balls out all the time. (No jokes, please.)

So, bottom line: we’ll be really effective against teams susceptible to our pressure. Scoring off of turnovers disguises our offensive weaknesses. When that doesn’t happen, we appeared to be screwed, as I said yesterday, without affection.

theoldman

by theoldman on Feb 13, 2009 4:53 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

the offense

has me very worried. the washington state line made me a little bummed out. plus the whole no team that has ever lost by 30 has won a national title thing. we need to look good against depaul. if you can’t look good against depaul, you aren’t that good

by cardscott5 on Feb 13, 2009 7:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This is the first time in a long time

that I have had to turn off the TV and walk out of the room several times during the game.

I don’t see 100% max effort every game out by several players. They should be more humiliated by the fact that they didn’t give max effort during these games (UConn and ND) than the fact that they lost. UL looks lethargic way too often.

ND sat back in a half court defense and forced us to shoot. By doing so they didn’t wear themselves out with a press (due to the short bench like last game) and they force us into a half-court offense in which we don’t have the guards or facilitators to score.

They were also able to break the press by having someone at the top of the key to pass to and then flipped out the ball to someone on the three-point line who was open due to our defense trying to recover, which they didn’t. UConn did the same thing but with faster guards.

www.crosleyfieldterrace.wordpress.com

by xjjeep90 on Feb 13, 2009 9:14 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Another interesting note

Pinito said on Jim Rome this week that Jeff Walz (women’s coach) takes away the cell phones and such from the players 24 hours before a game so that they won’t have contact with “hangers on”

What is stopping Pitino from doing this?

www.crosleyfieldterrace.wordpress.com

by xjjeep90 on Feb 13, 2009 9:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why can't we score?

We’ve got Mr. Basketballs that averaged over 25 points a game. We’ve got McDonald’s All Americans. We’ve got the most inaccurate shooter’s I have witnessed in a long time. Missed layups, missed dunks, missed dinks, missed jumpers. My god, it is really awful to watch.

Did they all just play against really average competitionoin high school.? Is our recruiting really that deficient that we only recruit bad shooters? Why is CRP always saying we don’t have any shooters and the he is recruiting them next year.?

The other teams defense definitely has something to do with it. But we seem to miss wide open shots at the end of a perfectly run offensive set.

If we don’t start making shots I’m gonna have to think it’s devine intervention.

by JustCards on Feb 13, 2009 10:22 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I know it's been said to death, but...

…If I’d have told you four months ago that we’d be 9-2 in the Big East with losses to UConn and Notre Dame, you’d be happy and skeptical at the same time. Yeah, ND was in a 7 game losing streak, but that made them even harder to deal with. They are who we thought they were.

Are there things to be worried about? Absolutely. The deficit is more worrisome than the actual loss itself, and that’s what we need to focus on. But there’s an undeniable offensive slump right now where shots (even decent open ones) aren’t falling, and it’s hard to recover from that. If you recall, we had the same problem against UNLV, and look what happened after that game. Will we go on the same run? Maybe, maybe not. The potential is certainly there to win out, but it’s not guaranteed. But let’s be honest, it never was a guarantee.

But we’re still in the top echelon of the Big East, we’ll likely still be ranked in the top 10 (thanks to Wake and Davidson), and the hardest part of the schedule is over. We just need to stay positive, buckle down, get motivated, and play like the team we should be, not the team we can get away with being. The shots will start falling, and things will come back.

But if they don’t? Well, it was a good run. Life goes on. I hear we’ve got some pretty solid players coming in next year.

by CARD_G6 on Feb 14, 2009 1:46 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

nova

Nova going down like we did makes me feel better.

by centrecard on Feb 14, 2009 11:41 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

True.

But what is up with UCLA? That’s not making the loss to ND look any better.

by CARD_G6 on Feb 14, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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