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I just said those exact words to my wife...
…she just shrugged and said ’that’s 2009 for you". Not sure if that means 2010 will be better, but you know women.
I couldn't believe that was a Louisville team getting worked like that
The sky probably isn’t falling, but it sure felt like it tonight
1 thing making me freak out a little
We have had the doors blown off against UNLV and Charlotte. I’m not a fan of 19 point deficits and we’ve had them while losing twice. I believe in Rick and hope things are ok by March and we don’t remember any of this talk
Coach P is not a happy man.
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We Suck
I’m not looking foward to the UK game. Right now they would rape us. I hope we can pull it together.
Should we have won this game?
Sorry, my previous post was sent accidentally while fumbling with my iphone. Not sure if you can edit comments on here as this is my first post. Anyways, Charlotte looked tough and we were severely crippled in the roster department. Should we have won this game?.
well at least say this
Shouldnt we at least have been able to keep it a respectable loss? How many 20+ point losses have the Cards had at the Hall anyways? Wasnt this the worst home loss since RP took over?
If our inside game doesnt improve its gonna be VERY tough Jan 2, and more importantly for BE conference play…
I saw someone comment “is this a repeat of 2006?” Good point.
Im starting to have my doubts about this team..
by twistedwedge on Dec 6, 2009 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
Paul rogers had that stat
Worst home loss since Charlotte…in 2001.
by CardChakra on Dec 6, 2009 10:24 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Last night reminded me of Denny's last days...
When the talent just wasn’t there, and it was apparent. Of course, missing three of our top four guards didn’t help, but I’m worried about the long-term talent situation, especially with a bust 2010 class.
by cardsinindy2010 on Dec 6, 2009 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
it reminded me of Denny's last days in more than one way
Not only is the talent not there (and guess what – the talent won’t be there at all next year, because we have no recruits for the class), but the substitution patterns were absolutely senseless. Rick was alternating Delk and Kuric in 20 second increments. He started George Goode, gave him one minute, then sat him for 12. All in all, Rick’s become senile like Denny did in his last days: make one mistake on the floor, and out you come. We should’ve fired the guy when he boffed that chick in porcini then paid for her abortion; now he’s going to turn our program into a crater by the end of next year.
I repeat
I am 65 years old, 5’8", and overweight. Samardo outrebounded me by just four.
He is a low, slow jumper and worse has no nose for the ball. Worse still is he doesn’t seem to want the rebound.
This team has multiple weaknesses. It may be a very long season.
Worried
I have been very worried about Samuels since he got here. I was roundly criticized here last season when I said Thabeet would eat that kid for lunch. Samuels is not living up to expectations. I’d take Jennings instead in a NY minute.
Grog
"There is no OFF position to the genius switch" - D. Letterman
I'm not DVR'ing another game
oh-fer on all DVR’ed games this year (including f-ball, which i know shouldn’t count).
I’m glad I had something going on last night preventing me from going to the game. I’m not sure what my record is for profanity in an hour, but last night would have taken the crown.
To top off this oh so perfect sports day, I now have a sty under my left eye lid which is causing the whole thing to swell up. UL sports is putting me through the same physical transformation Woogie went through in Something about Mary.
by dlpfis79 on Dec 6, 2009 10:20 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
After yesterday I am NOT looking forward to Jan. 2.
And I hate coming to that conclusion and actually admitting it.
by Cool Hand Cards on Dec 6, 2009 11:11 AM EST reply actions
Recruiting
Folks, this all boils down to one thing, recruiting. We are seeing what several years of misses and head scratchers have produced. I wasn’t all that upset about last night because I realized just how bad recruiting has been. I know people can point to Samrdo and Jennings, but for each of those we’ve had a Swop, a Kouric, a Goode, a Van Treese, and a Millard.
My view is and has always been there’s no reason why Louisville and Pitino shouldn’t be able to recruit and sign three top 50 players every year. We’re the type of program that can do that. Unfortunately, recruiting under Pitino has been all over the map. I think he needs to reevaluate how he judges talent. We should be reloading, not rebuilding.
I have no idea how this season will turn out, but I suspect it will be more like 2006 than we might like to admit. I also think we need to stop pinning our hopes on this mythical 2011 recruiting class. Considering how bad 2010 recruiting is, it’s going to be two long years before we can count on a bunch of highly regarded freshmen to get things right.
If you don’t think this all boils down to recruiting, look at UK. Last year they were a laughing stock. They changed coaches, signed a great group of players and now they’re on top of the world. I’ll take Wall and Cousins for one year over four years of Swop, Kouric, Goode, and Van Treese combined.
I hope Mike shuts this post down for comments
People are saying absolutely ridiculous things. It’s one game where we had two starters and our sixth man out. We lost lottery picks that led us to two consecutive elite eights.
It takes Pitino’s teams a while to figure out their identity. That was true even when we had A LOT of returning talent. We’re very young right now and we have key players hurt. It’s going to be a growing process.
UK has more talent than us this year, they might be us this year after we’ve beat them the past three years. UK is a very good basketball program and we’re not going to beat them or be more talented every single year. In fact, a lot of you are acting like UK basketball fans with your unreasonable expectations and irrationality. Relax and support the team.
We all have the right to say whatever we want
Last night was a joke. You have to be a special kind of stupid to not see that.
Go Cards!
Oh my god
http://www.cardchronicle.com/2006/12/14/31312/374
http://www.cardchronicle.com/2006/12/16/1734/8169
This happens every year. People overreact every year. We will get better, we will forget this ever happened, and we will do it again next year. Welcome to U of L basketball.
Of course it does
It’s the same coach, and the same problem. Pitino’s teams always get incalculably better during the first few weeks of December because they do reps reps reps every day without school in the way. They will get in the gym, learn their sets, practice, practice, practice, mesh as a team and be transformed come mid-january.
From the players’ postgame interviews and Siva’s twitter, it appears that the entire team is on the same page and is working to get better. They’re not playing well right now. Once they play well, we will win a lot of games. If we play well and still lose because our players lack talent, I’ll gladly eat crow.
It doesn't because every team is different
Teams change every year. I’m not disputing the point that the team should get better, but past results from years ago have nothing to do with future performance of this team
Fair enough
But, I’m not saying there’s going to be a 12 game winning streak or a Big East Championship, I was only trying to counter the idea that it’s even possible to begin judge the quality of the team at this point of the season.
I know, but I don't like the we lose every year so this year we'll do it too thing
With that logic, the NIT team should have lost before the Kentucky game, and they would have not lost like 11 BE games. The 06 team was the last time we lost so much talent, and that team never gelled. To say this team could be an NIT team is not entirely out of the question. I don’t think it will happen. Mostly everyone here is positive, but just because other people think we aren’t good doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be heard. I combined my thoughts on other posts here.
Agree to Disagree?
The original post was basically calling everyone who wasn’t saying the sky was falling stupid. That’s what I was responding to, and is hysterically off base. All viewpoints have the right to be expressed, I agree. But if they’re off base, I reserve the right to ridicule them.
This team will of course get better as Pitino’s teams always do, but the question is how good is their better? Jerry hasn’t done much since his freshman year, Siva is a freshman, and as much as I like Knowles I don’t believe he is a threat to take a game over. As for the guys that played, well we saw how well they stepped up. Until some production comes out of the post, there will continue to be too much pressure on our guards to shoot an amazing percentage from the perimeter.
And beyond lacking talent, because we have talent, we have a bad match of talent. We have basically nothing at the forward position and our center plays like a nonathletic small forward most of the time. We have great guards who have so far received nothing in terms of back up from the other players on the team.
My christmas list this year:
1. Buckles becomes as good as the flashes he has shown this year and Pitino can develop some trust in him.
2. Jennings and Goode develop some type of offensive game so that we have their defense without losing an offensive threat (as soft as Samuels plays sometimes he still has to be guarded)
3. Samuels eats some Beasties and starts getting nasty in the post.
Ok, breathe. Go Cards!!!
"This season has been everything most of us feared it would be[.]"
Mike Rutherford, Card Chronicle
http://www.cardchronicle.com/
Word on 1 2 and 3
I’m an optomist in that I think Knowles and Jerry will come good an produce, but the three listed are undoubtedly the keys to the season. I’m putting my faith in a little RP magic working on TJ and Samuels, to be honest.
No doubt there is some overreacting going on, but...
We don’t have the same kind of recruiting class that we had back in 06-07’, and it looks like next year’s class won’t be much. I think people are justifiably concerned.
That said, I expect (when healthy) we’ll be much better in the long haul this year than what was on display last night.
by cardsinindy2010 on Dec 6, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions
We have more talent already in the team
And a slightly worse recruiting class. (Remember, that though Freshman Jerry was incredibly good for his age, Freshman Earl was an unbelievably inconsistent creature, we hadn’t even really met Good Edgar, and Caracter was nothing less than personified cancer)
Disagree that we have more talent already in team.
Padgett, Palacios, T-Will, & McGee returned for that team. Agree that on paper, the recruiting class is slightly worse. Not sure yet that anyone in this class has Earl-type potential.
by cardsinindy2010 on Dec 6, 2009 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
I hope you're right.
Rock has some similarities to Earl, although he is not as unbelievably long. Time will tell.
by cardsinindy2010 on Dec 7, 2009 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
McGee was mediocre at best that season
He really didn’t start to contribute in a major way until last season. Also, T-Will was pre shot change T-Will, he shot something like 35% (27% for three) that season. Padgett and Tello were both solid that year, no doubt, but Tello was constantly frustrating because he couldn’t drive or consistently hit shots.
I think people tend to remember players at their best and forget how much they had to progress to get there, the same will be true of this team.
McGee could always defend...
as could T-Will. And of course, T-Will was an enormous talent who eventually blossomed. Agreed that Padgett and Tello were solid. The current returning group has more depth, but I don’t think the best returning players are as good as the best returning players were in the 06-07 group.
by cardsinindy2010 on Dec 7, 2009 10:12 AM EST up reply actions
Coaching Carousel
Perhaps our recruiting has suffered a bit because of the coaching carousel over the last 3 years. I know this is only one game. However it didn’t look like anyone was playing with pride which wearing the Louisville name demands.
Go Cards. More leg cramps for Wall on 1/2.
One thing I noticed at the game
Is that I saw none of the assistant coaches doing anything besides mimicking Rick except McCarthy. I don’t usually pay that much attention to the bench, but in a game like yesterday the mind wanders. On Charlotte’s bench the assistants were spaced out between the player and were constantly talking and I would imagine teaching. Our assistants are seated in a line behind Rick and never seemed to turn their attention away from the game. I saw McCarthy talking to players and Rick when he would go kneel at the end of the bench.
I have never been able to shake the feeling that we have a bunch of guys who can recruit but don’t really know the game. I hope walter and Williard can offer some coaching assistance to Rick because it seems like the other guys we have are there to keep seats warm.
"This season has been everything most of us feared it would be[.]"
Mike Rutherford, Card Chronicle
http://www.cardchronicle.com/
interesting viewpoint
I’ve only been to one Louisville game in person this year—the loss at UNLV—and besides Pitino, I only remember seeing Masiello moving out of his seat to communicate with the players.
Oh, Vinny Tatum did wander out of his seat on the 2nd row to join the huddle but I didn’t see any butt-slapping or comments to the players. You can do better, Vinny.
by UL is my hot hot sex on Dec 7, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
I just wonder what these guys do. In the past we had some guys who have obviously gone on to become coaches and I hope little ricky wasn’t the real coach out of this bunch.
"This season has been everything most of us feared it would be[.]"
Mike Rutherford, Card Chronicle
http://www.cardchronicle.com/
Is decent
Only 1 loss, and that’s to Duke. This embarassmemt will be motivation.
by REALISTICCARDSFAN on Dec 6, 2009 4:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
But the loss to Duke was by 40
So I’m not sure that makes Charlotte look good.
by Chris Redman is my hero on Dec 7, 2009 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
Exactly
Also we were at home. I could understand the perimeter shooting they had being attributed to our missing guards and our struggles on offense, but they also outrebounded us by 16 I think.
I could deal with a loss to a team shooting great from outside, we tend to struggle against those kind of teams anyway, and a poor offensive night, we were missing three of our main threats from the perimeter. That said, that rebound margin is going to become a huge problem when we get into Big East play.
"This season has been everything most of us feared it would be[.]"
Mike Rutherford, Card Chronicle
http://www.cardchronicle.com/
Lock this thread? Give me a break. This is not the 2006-2007 season, the 2007-2008 season, or last season. Those pinning their hopes on a “typical” late season surge are missing the point. The frustrations some of us have deal not with one loss. They deal with the culimnation of years of uneven recruiting.
Just for a minute, forget about the three guards who didn’t play and just focus on the frontline. When Pitino came to town, did anyone ever believe our frontline in year nine would feature players like Swopshire and Goode as major contributors? I know I didn’t. These are guys who should be in the Sun Belt, not the Big East.
Something has been amiss with Pitino’s recruiting for almost his entire tenure. Maybe the mythical 2011 class will change all of the that, but that’s still two years off. Unfortunately, the 2010 class looks like a major bust as well. That just shouldn’t be happening in the ninth year of Pitino’s tenure.
I know I’m not over reacting to one loss because it didn’t really bother me. What does bother me and has bothered me is the state of recruiting. If you can look yourself in the face and say it’s been what you expected when Pitino got here, then you and I have different expectations.
Whatever.. Recruiting is what is is..
For better or for worse, we’re not seen as having the same type of tradition that Kansas, Duke, UNC et al do, and every year they soak up a lot of the players that would best fit the U of L system. Because of this, Pitino got burned too many times going after riskier top recruits who didn’t stay or even show up on campus, so we don’t do that anymore either– Tobias Harris, Hopson, Tyreke Evans, Telfair, Amir Johnson, Caracter, Bender, Lorrenzo Wade, Carlos Hurt, etc., etc. come to mind. So, now we get guys who will contribute to the culture of the team, learn the system and become good players when they’re juniors and seniors a la Andre McGee, T-Will, Edgar, Larry O’Bannon and so on. That choice has been made philosophically, and it’s not going to change.
If I’m honest, I do think the state of the modern game has somewhat passed CRP by, but that doesn’t make him any less of a great coach, or the wrong coach for U of L. His style doesn’t really work the way it used to, there are just too many TV timeouts and breaks in today’s game to grind a team out with the press, and he can’t count on having players who know his system for 4 years, so he has to constantly re-teach, and we struggle with getting complex schemes through to the players every November/December.
And, as much as I hate him, I will admit that John Calipari’s style fits the state of the modern game much better than Rick’s. It’s quick to learn, easy to sell to egotistical one-and-done players who only want to know about their touches and generates (vacated) results. However, I’d stongly argue about whether the DDR offense is true to the team spirit that makes college basketball fun to watch and one of the greatest forms of sport on earth.. If I wanted to watch players go one on one, not play defense and dribble me to sleep, I’d watch the NBA.
For all his faults, when Rick Pitino’s teams play well in January/February, they play beautiful basketball, the way it’s meant to be played. Ball movement, unselfishness, discipline and communication are something we get treated to every spring, and to me, makes it worth all the struggles we go through at this time of year.
I can accept what this team is, and love the positives, as can most Cards fans, but if you really want to sell your soul to chase national championships every season, there’s a team about 45 minutes down the road you can support.
by bartenpa on Dec 6, 2009 5:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yep this was a refreshing viewpoint
Enjoyed your comparison/analysis of Pitino-ball versus the Calipari DDR offense, interesting to think about. However, with regard to the recruiting comments, I don’t know where I stand. Has Pitino or any of his staff said anything recently about the recruiting philosophy or changing their approach? Not being a jerk or making a point, sincerely asking the question.
It does appear from the recent classes that Pitino’s recruiting philosophy has gradually changed but is that b/c he doesn’t want the one-and-done players like Tobias Harris and Tyreke Evans anymore? Or is it b/c he’s tried recruiting them but just has terrible luck getting them on campus, therefore we use the change in philosophy excuse?
Even recently, Pitino and his staff have gone after guys that some projected to leave early for the NBA i.e. Samardo, Jeremy Tyler, Tobias Harris, Peyton Siva…so I’m not sure he’s going out of his way not to recruit a guy just b/c he fits the one-and-done mold and is already deemed “NBA ready”.
by UL is my hot hot sex on Dec 7, 2009 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
A comment about the recruiting questions
In my opinion, UofL is not ever going to recruit like a lot of our fans think we should. I know I’m in the minority here, but UofL is not the national brand that a lot of our fans seem to believe we are. I don’t know why it’s the case, but we just aren’t a name on the level of UConn, Syracuse, Pitt, UNC, Duke, Tennessee, UK, Florida, Texas, UCLA, or Arizona. UofL has a great tradition, but I’ve spent a lot of time in different parts of this country, and UofL just isn’t a big deal outside of this region. Because of that, kids don’t grow up wanting to play here, and I believe that’s why we struggle to recruit. Even in our hey-day, we lived off local guys and partial qualifiers. Neither is really an option anymore. Honestly, I worry (and have for a long time) that this program will fall into long term, St. John’s or Depaul like obscurity if we don’t get an absolute dynamo of a coach to follow Pitino.
Again, that’s just my opinion, and I know a lot (practically all) of you will disagree.
by _TheGainesShow_ on Dec 6, 2009 5:51 PM EST up reply actions
in these situations....
….the reality is usually somewhere in between.
There's always the fear of a fall from grace
But there’s no fanbase in the country that turns out to support their team like U of L’s, and our attendance and view-share during the tournament bear that out.
Having lived in different parts of the country myself
I agree that Louisville is not the national brand that a lot of local fans believe it to be. However, Pitino is a national brand and Louisville has every bit of the facilities those other programs have. I think the concerns about recruiting are valid but there’s still time on the clock.
by UL is my hot hot sex on Dec 6, 2009 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed.
And while our national brand is unlikely to ever be in the same category as the likes of UNC, Kansas, UCLA, etc., I don’t see why it shouldn’t be as strong as Syracuse, Pitt, Georgetown, or other similar programs. The steady overall decline from the mid-90s into the early 2000s probably had a lot to do with the brand not being as nationally recognizable as it might be. And having lived in different parts of the country as well (including the East Coast now), I think our brand still has some resonance.
by cardsinindy2010 on Dec 6, 2009 7:58 PM EST up reply actions
I agree that we aren't the national brand that our history would say we should be
However, we have had recent success in the tournament, swept arguably the toughest conference ever and received the top #1 seed while making a deep run in the tournament.
For some reason, our actual successes are not translating into success in recruiting. I love every player whoever puts on a Louisville Jersey regardless of whether or not their talent level would deem them good enough to play here. That said, something is amiss when teams in our own conference out recruit us by such a large margin.
We may not be a major player ala UNC or Duke, but we should get more than a crumb every now and again.
"This season has been everything most of us feared it would be[.]"
Mike Rutherford, Card Chronicle
http://www.cardchronicle.com/
Yes
There is a valid reason to be concerned about recruiting. We have a brand name coach, a program that has done extremely well recently with one of the highest profile players last year in T-Will and operate in one of the top basketball-friendly communities of all time.
But I also agree with whomever said that there is some “luck” involved as well. UCLA is the most successful program in the world and yet their recruiting isn’t as consistent as you’d think, especially in a state as large and talent-plentiful as California.
I’m no recruiting expert but there are some head-scratching things that have happened recently at Louisville and I think fans do have a valid reason to raise the question. Not say the sky is falling—but ask the question and debate.
by UL is my hot hot sex on Dec 7, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
As long as we are not on probation the sky will never fall in my view.
"This season has been everything most of us feared it would be[.]"
Mike Rutherford, Card Chronicle
http://www.cardchronicle.com/
Haha, for sure
Well, unless we play every game like we did against Charlotte. But Preston and Jerry would never let that fly.
by UL is my hot hot sex on Dec 7, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
I thought Preston was going to start kicking tail on the bench yesterday. During one time out he went almost to midcourt and yelled at the team all the way back to the huddle.
One baseball game, he came to the plate and heard a woman in the crowd shout to the pitcher, "I'll make you a chocolate cake if you strike out that 'so-and-so'!" Says Strong: "I hit that ball out of the park. Then I looked at her like, 'Do I get a cake now?' "
A side note, I wonder if, the implementation of the banning of high school players from the draft, has created a situation where talented players who would normally skip going to a school because they would be blocked by another talent player, now decide to go to the school with the most talent knowing that by being on a great team they will get some exposure and won’t have to carry a lesser team and expose their weaknesses as much.
Off the top of my head I would think of players like Bledsoe with Walls and even Marvin Williams back at the day being a 6th man and becoming a lottery pick.
"This season has been everything most of us feared it would be[.]"
Mike Rutherford, Card Chronicle
http://www.cardchronicle.com/
...and Pitino had Mercer at UK
You do hear that a lot with top recruits saying “I hope I can get so-and-so to come here with me”. I remember Samardo said that about someone right after he signed with Louisville…the name escapes me now.
by UL is my hot hot sex on Dec 7, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Tyreke Evans...how could I forget
by UL is my hot hot sex on Dec 7, 2009 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
That’s a depressing article. If he hung with Clark and Caracter they probably just got high the whole time. No wonder Samuels chose us over UNC.
Man, in that video he’s already flailing around, falling on the ground and not getting lift. It is reassuring that he’s only played ball for a few years. Hopefully, Coach Pitino and staff can teach him some things, he’ll listen, and he’ll blossom.
One baseball game, he came to the plate and heard a woman in the crowd shout to the pitcher, "I'll make you a chocolate cake if you strike out that 'so-and-so'!" Says Strong: "I hit that ball out of the park. Then I looked at her like, 'Do I get a cake now?' "
it's funny to re-read archived CC stories
and then it’s really depressing, especially Krag’s first season.
by UL is my hot hot sex on Dec 7, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
Here's a question I mean no offense by
Would Samuels even see the floor at North Carolina? Maybe that changes this recruiting class, but damn their bigs are really good.
He wouldn’t see it much playing like this. However, with all the talent they have they probably wouldn’t have as high of expectations for his play as we do (and need) so his performance might not look as bad on that team.
One baseball game, he came to the plate and heard a woman in the crowd shout to the pitcher, "I'll make you a chocolate cake if you strike out that 'so-and-so'!" Says Strong: "I hit that ball out of the park. Then I looked at her like, 'Do I get a cake now?' "
Exactly why he's here
In the month after he committed and signed with UofL, Samardo mentioned playing time as a determining factor, in addition to getting high bonding with Caracter and Earl.
by UL is my hot hot sex on Dec 7, 2009 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
Sam hit the nail on the head. We might need to hire him as a talent evaluator.
One baseball game, he came to the plate and heard a woman in the crowd shout to the pitcher, "I'll make you a chocolate cake if you strike out that 'so-and-so'!" Says Strong: "I hit that ball out of the park. Then I looked at her like, 'Do I get a cake now?' "
Kentucky
They have every bit the tradition and national prominence as any other program. On the same level as UNC, DUKE, and UCLA for sure. And yet, look at the roller coaster ride they and their fans have been on in the last 15 years or so. Look at UCLA. Up and down all over the map.
We’ll be fine. This team isn’t likely to run through the Big East or make it 3 Elite Eights in a row, but that’s exceedingly rare for any program. Take a longer view, guys. Pitino coaches the X’s and O’s as well as anybody in the game. He makes the most out of the talent he gets. It’s not often you get a guy who can recruit AND coach with equal skill. In the end, give me a guy who coaches better on the hardwood than he does in the recruit’s living room.
UNC and Duke have two of the best coaches in the business.
"This season has been everything most of us feared it would be[.]"
Mike Rutherford, Card Chronicle
http://www.cardchronicle.com/
A Long December
Yes, the loss was very, very bad and points at something amiss with the team. Concerns are valid regarding the season and recruiting but let’s remain positive and give both the players and Rick’s staff time to turn things around. Unlike the Kragthorpe situation, I think they’ve earned it.
by UL is my hot hot sex on Dec 6, 2009 6:25 PM EST reply actions
Another broader point, as well
The best teams in the country are not as good as they were last year. Everyone has flaws and is beatable, which gives me hope.
Samuels
Can he really be this bad of an interior player? 1) He won’t play above the rim per instructions from Pitino 2) whom he won’t listen too 3) A lot of people are saying that he won’t put out the effort to rebound, but I fear he may just not be as talented as we thought or is a headcase. Hope I’m wrong, but I think he may be a flop.
I think he's definitely in his own head right now
I think the real problem is that he, unlike a guy like Earl, is smart enough to fully comprehend how much his play is really hurting the team, and it’s getting to him. Still think he’s a good player though, and I hope he’ll come around.
Anyone get to see any highlights from him playing with Jamaica? I would love to see how he played in those games compared to how he plays for the Cards. There is a key somewhere and I’m hoping that Coach Pitino can unlock the mystery that is Samuels and he doesn’t become another Caracter.
"This season has been everything most of us feared it would be[.]"
Mike Rutherford, Card Chronicle
http://www.cardchronicle.com/
If RP cant find a way to unlock
the elusive massive potential that is Samardo Samuels were in for a long season…we cant get it done in the middle with SS only producing on O, and TJ only playing D. just my two cents..
Play in the paint
Braswell, their freshman big man thoroughly schooled Samardo and Jennings. I had real hopes for Jennings at the end of last season, but he’s gone into the zombie mode. Samardo looks more and more like Ellis Myles.
I never thought I'd see it in my lifetime
I believe that a failing extra-terrestrial theme park has sent its minions to kidnap our beloved Looney Tunes characters. Obviously, bugs was obligated to challenge them to a game of basketball, and these minions were forced to steal the talent of the best players in the land.
If only they had come across John Wall.
Recruiting
Don’t know who bartenpa is, but he has the right view on our recruiting. We have a tendency to think that any recruit would be nuts not to sign with us, but the fact of the matter is that it is difficult to expect great classes every year. Really good coaches at good programs are working their butts off trying to recruit the same kids, so we’ll lose most if not all of our targets. CRP will get good recruits to sign in the future, but we should enjoy the growth of the players we have. Van Treese is a project, but could turn out to be very good in a couple of years. Siva will be a player. Buckles could be a star. However, this will not happen this year. Unfortunately, Samuels is turning out to be a real head-scratcher. Go back to the early 2008 games, and it looked like he would have the kind of season that would make us wonder if he would be a “one and done”. Now I seriously doubt that he can even make it in the NBA. Jennings was going to be a star, based on last years improvement. Now he looks like he did at the beginning of last year. What I’m trying to get across is that there is a certain amount of luck in recruiting. Calipari had a fantastic class last year, and it looks like Wall, Cousins and Bledsoe are all the real deal. But that doesn’t mean that he’ll follow it up with hits. Everyone needs to chill and let the season play out. While I can’t imagine being a #1 seed or winning the Big East, some of these kids will be a pleasure to watch as they finally “get it”.
No one becomes a one and done playing against our early season schedules.
Also I think what is bothering people in terms of recruiting is that we are getting too many guys who “will be a pleasure to watch as they finally get it,” and not enough guys that actually get it enough to be a pleasure to watch.
It seems like our can’t miss guys either don’t show up, turn into 4 year projects, or leave the team. Dean was one of my favorite Cards ever, but in the grand scheme of things on the national level he wasn’t much to write home about, and I can’t think of any player on this team, save from Siva and Knowles, who I would even think of taking over Dean.
"This season has been everything most of us feared it would be[.]"
Mike Rutherford, Card Chronicle
http://www.cardchronicle.com/
I kinda disagree about Cal's recruiting
Look at the line of players he has turned out the past few years. He can recruit very well. He got top flight recruits to go to a conference usa school.
Here's the thing about Cal
Tyreke, Rose, Wall, Camby, possibly Wagner (before he got sick)? Those guys were going top 5 regardless. He just gave them a discipline free halfway house to crash in on their way to the NBA.
His rep to players is: player’s coach, doesn’t care about grades, just get through your year(s) and you’re off to the NBA. His pitch to players is totally different than Pitino’s.
Pitino tells players what he will do for them, how they’ll have to work hard and improve in his system and as players and men. Calipari is the opposite, telling kids what he won’t do, won’t limit their touches, their freedom to hang out, be kids, or ask them to sacrifice for a larger purpose. His recruiting style is about appealing to the selfishness and fear of failure that exists in top players, and because of that, I’d never want his results. His teams are the soulless rewards of selfishness and individual greed in pursuit of winning at all costs. That’s why he’s perfect for UK.
The thing is, Pitino recruited some great players to the University of Kentucky when he was there, just ask Tubby. I keed. I wouldn’t be surprised if Coach Pitino has made a decision that he has no desire to get involved with the bullshit (excuse my language) that comes along with recruiting big name players. That said he has usually had atleast one guy who could help keep the team competitive, Garcia, Williams and this year i’m struggling to find that guy.
One baseball game, he came to the plate and heard a woman in the crowd shout to the pitcher, "I'll make you a chocolate cake if you strike out that 'so-and-so'!" Says Strong: "I hit that ball out of the park. Then I looked at her like, 'Do I get a cake now?' "
Exactly my thoughts.
Same worry too. Who’s our go-to guy this year? It’s a big question. Edgar wants it, but he’s going to need to prove he can handle it.
Calm Down All
ok take a deep breath and count to 10………..OK now let’s not freak out quite yet, first off in this game we were missing 3 of our best players, secondly the way Charlotte was shooting it might not have mattered if we had Kobe out there. They were shooting out of their minds that was no where near their season averages, Charlotte will not shoot like that again this season. Another thing that we need to remember is when anybody plays us it is their “Super Bowl” these teams come out with a great desire to beat one of the most storied programs in the country and they know this will help their RPI’s dramatically, example, did you see (not if you have directv) how crazy the team and fans were at UNLV, they wanted to beat us so bad they even stormed the court, they weren’t storming the court cause they beat the no. 15 team in the country, they were storming the court because they beat Louisville. We showed in the UNLV game that in a hostile environment we had heart and fought to get back in that game, we could have easily given up, but them tying it late showed me something. Remember this is a young team that just lost 2 players to the NBA Lottery, I said lottery people. I have been watching Pitino for along time as I have had uk season tickets since 1990 (primarily for the Louisville game as I am a Louisville fan) one thing is for sure pitino always gets the best out of his guys and he will have them ready when these games start really mattering. It seems like every year their is a few fans and critics that start to write pitino off, usually about this time of year and then boom, we go win the Big East championship. If anything the Charlotte game might give these guys a little more desire to work hard making this loss a good one in the long run. If you saw saw Preston, Jerry, and Peyton on the bench they looked pretty upset and looked like they couldn’t wait until they get healthy, we will be fine people, we probably won’t be a no. 1 seed but we will be in the mix in march. Now as far as recruiting goes, to be fair to Pitino he has had awfully bad luck, we had the 1 player in the country coming in Jeremy Tyler but some ass lured him to Israel where he is struggling I might add. Also the 2011 class has the potential of being 1 class in the country. Now with all that optimism said, we really need Samardo and Jennings to step up, they are Sophomores now and really need to start dominating the paint. Our 3 point shooting has got to get better, missing wide open looks and forcing bad shots, we need to get our shooting going. The recruiting thing will work itself out, just remember at least with Pitino we don’t have to wonder when our program will have to vacate final fours or go on probation. Hang in their Cards lets stay positive we will be fine!!!
Another thing that we need to remember is when anybody plays us it is their "Super Bowl" these teams come out with a great desire to beat one of the most storied programs in the country and they know this will help their RPI’s dramatically, example, did you see (not if you have directv) how crazy the team and fans were at UNLV, they wanted to beat us so bad they even stormed the court, they weren’t storming the court cause they beat the no. 15 team in the country, they were storming the court because they beat Louisville
Would that mean UNLV has won back to back super bowls?
I don’t know about the Super Bowl thing. UNLV and Charlotte were both godd teams and I wouldn’t be surprised if they both thought they were better than us and would be us. Especially UNLV since they beat us last year at home and have had a really strong season so far this year.
It seems like every year their is a few fans and critics that start to write pitino off, usually about this time of year and then boom, we go win the Big East championship.
I didn’t realize we had won that many Big East championships.
Also I wish you could hook me up if you can get season tickets for Rupp for only one game every other year. That’s a sweet life.
One baseball game, he came to the plate and heard a woman in the crowd shout to the pitcher, "I'll make you a chocolate cake if you strike out that 'so-and-so'!" Says Strong: "I hit that ball out of the park. Then I looked at her like, 'Do I get a cake now?' "
season tickets
yeah, my mom works in the community college system, back when they were under uk. One year she won some lottery to get season tickets, so we get them every year now or you lose them. We usually sell most or give to friends and scalp the big games to redneck fans and put that money back into the Louisville economy. It is a good deal.
that’s awesome, i need to start playing the lottery
One baseball game, he came to the plate and heard a woman in the crowd shout to the pitcher, "I'll make you a chocolate cake if you strike out that 'so-and-so'!" Says Strong: "I hit that ball out of the park. Then I looked at her like, 'Do I get a cake now?' "
One more thing about Pitino/Recruiting
I think the elephant in the room we are all ignoring is whether Pitino is still at the top of his game. Certainly, something has gone amiss with recruiting. I’m not a newcomer to this view either. Recruiting has been my consistent pet peeve with Pitino since his third or fourth year.
We signed some great players who never arrived, but as they say close only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades. We’ve also signed a lot of head scratchers and we all know the list of names. Just as importantly, some of the great players who have shown up have been enigmatic at best.
Given the mercurial nature of so many of our top players, I have to wonder why player development has been so spotty. Is it fair to say Pitino’s motivational tactics just don’t work the way they did in the 1990’s. Actually, I think that is the most reasonable answer.
Despite my dour outlook on recruiting, I do think Willard will help keep Pitino from playing as many of the mind games he has played in the past few years. Clearly, they aren’t working as he could never get DC right, lost E5 from time to time, and even fought with Twill (remember the two sparring against MSU last March).
Stat of the night, in my opinion.
Charlotte’s offensive rebounds – 20
Louisville’s defensive rebounds – 18
It is absolutely inexcusable to get outrebounded with regard to offensive rebounds on your team’s defensive glass. If this team doesn’t start rebounding, there’s no doubt we’re going to see more of the same result. As far as Samuels goes, I don’t see any reason not to sit him down. If we’re going to lose by 22 with him playing, what does it really matter. Maybe that will get his attention and convince him to start playing with a sense of urgency he has yet to show.
Re: Rebounding
See numerous comments by me from game 1…
Just don’t have the DEDICATION to rebounding. Rebounding is sheer determination, sacrifice and sweat (this is from my many yrs as a short, white center with about a 9" vertical jump—but who would and could rebound against guys usually 2-4" taller.)
And… you need at least 1-2 true go-to guys for a shot in the clutch— don’t have it.
Shooting will remain inconsistent also, when rebounding does not occur… no chance to set up press on D, or get 2nd shots on O. When rebounding does not occur, things break down quickly…
We will be lucky to go Sweet 16 this yr— that was my prediction after seeing the first game…and I still hope I’m way wrong
anyone else notice
Samardo standing outside the huddle during timeouts? Not sure if I should be concerned with this, but really wonder why..

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