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Kelly Leaves for Notre Dame



In a move that likely surprises nobody, Brian Kelly has spurned the University of Cincinnati for Notre Dame. Kelly is the fourth Big East football coach to leave the league in the past five years for a "higher profile" position (Dantonio UC-Mich. State, Petrino UL - Atlanta Falcons/Arkansas, Rich Rodriguez  WV-Michigan).

I think I speak for everyone when I say that I fully expect Brian Kelly to not succeed at Notre Dame. The expectations are too high, the schedule is too hard and this whole trend of hiring the "hot" Big East football coach has never panned out. Dantanio is doing mediocre at Michigan State. Rodriguez is blowing it at Michigan. Petrino left the NFL after one season to go coach Arkansas, a.k.a. Alabama, LSU and Florida's little bitch.  I'm not sure why every major football opening thinks think hiring the sexy Big East football coach is the solution to their problems.

Plus, Kelly is leaving his program before it plays in its BCS game against Florida. I would think that he at least owes it to his undefeated, BCS-conference team to put his full energies into beating Florida and not commit to go coach another team. Yup, Kelly is definitely not going to succeed at Notre Dame (barring the first year of success that always accompanies a new Notre Dame football coach and slowly diminishes every year).

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I've noted that 1st year thing as well

They start out decent with a new head coach, then reality sets back in.

Truth really IS stranger than fiction

ThreadKiller

by mclade01 on Dec 11, 2009 4:34 AM EST reply actions  

The Irish shot WAY too low on this hire. It’s a bad fit, in my opinion. Offense was not their problem this year. And have you seen a Brian Kelly team ever field a great defense? Nope. Very, very average.

by Tech92 on Dec 11, 2009 9:28 AM EST reply actions  

ND is no longer relevant

Been talking about this with fellows at work. I posit that ND is no longer relevant and is unlikely to be relevant anytime soon. I’m not sure why so many coaches were interested.

"There is no OFF position to the genius switch" - D. Letterman

by GrogInOhio on Dec 11, 2009 11:51 AM EST reply actions  

tradition, television exposure, national media fascination, uniqueness, etc...

make ND relevant. When you finish at .500 or below and other schools that beat you that season call it their “best win ever” you’re still relevant. Notre Dame is the Yankees of college athletics, even when they suck, they’re still relevant nationally b/c of the level of exposure they receive.

by UL is my hot hot sex on Dec 11, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree…if you have an exclusive TV contract and a one of its kind BCS rule built in just for you, you are relevant.

by Tech92 on Dec 11, 2009 9:09 PM EST up reply actions  

If they weren’t relative then why are we talking about them

by TheRealSlimShady on Dec 11, 2009 10:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Meanwhile

they have done nothing relevant in twenty years and national championships are going to big public colleges year after year and BCS bowl wins are being racked up by Boise State, Utah, West Virginia, etc. I would take being a fan of those other schools any freakin’ day.
 
Also, everyone keeps talking about Kelly being Irish Catholic and this is his dream job. Great. Who cares. 99% of the kids he recruits won’t be Irish or Catholic (as many students are not). Plus (technically) ND is a French Catholic school. This stuff just cracks me up. These loose connections and reasoning.

Kelly is a punk for not coaching these kids at Cincy out. Sorry I can’t buy that other mentality. I’m glad Strong is seeing the Florida kids through the Sugar Bowl.

Maddie in Portland, Oregon

by kentuckybred on Dec 11, 2009 4:50 PM EST reply actions  

Kelly's a bitch

It’s not taking another job that i don’t understand, its the lying. What is wrong with saying “I’m not looking for another job, but if someone approaches me offering me a billion dollars a year, i’ll probably strongly consider it.” People would understand that. They don’t understand the outright lies and bullshit right up to the point you take the new job. Thats why petrino left a bad taste in everyones mouth.

by Jason G on Dec 11, 2009 6:18 PM EST reply actions  

Some of it is on ND

They asked him not to say anything about it. Still a douche move though.

by CardinalDude on Dec 11, 2009 6:36 PM EST up reply actions  

He could've handled it better but college football isn't that simple

It’s an elaborate game—the university and program typically know that their coach is susceptible to take another job offer but they fool themselves into thinking he’ll stay out of loyalty or b/c he told the players he would (which he has to and should). That’s what’s bullshit. They force the coaches to lie—it’s a no-win deal for Kelly so he might as well settle for being a loser in Cincy’s eyes and an all-in savior at Notre Dame. I don’t think for a minute that Cincy thought he’d stay if he took them to back-to-back BCS bowls—I heard rumors that they weren’t fulfilling some of their original promises to Kelly wrt facilities, etc…The guy did more for Cincy football than anyone could’ve possibly imagined 3 years ago and now he’s reduced to a bitch. Don’t hate the coach, hate the game.

At least he told the players that he was going to listen to Notre Dame as soon as he knew a meeting/serious offer would transpire. Up to that point, he had no obligation to tell anyone anything other than “I’m staying here at Cincy”. Why would a coach say on the record “I’m leaving this university if I get an offer for this amount of money, etc…?” It could hurt his current program with recruits wondering how long he’s going to be there, it could reduce the offered salary by another program, causes unnecessary distractions in the locker room, etc…What if he hadn’t gotten the job at Notre Dame? He has to live/breathe/talk as if he’s Cincy’s head coach until the moment that he signs a real contract on the dotted line with someone else. Not BK’s fault.

That being said…
I do think he could’ve coached the Sugar Bowl since Notre Dame isn’t bowling and b/c it wouldn’t really hurt Notre Dame all that much…however perhaps there was a line he crossed at Cincy and him coaching that game would’ve been a bad idea—a distraction of sorts. Or maybe Notre Dame pressured him not to in order to focus 100% on Notre Dame. I’m sure plenty of folks on Kelly’s side have come up with valid reasons why he shouldn’t coach the Sugar Bowl but I’m too lazy to research and regurgitate them and this has gone on long enough.

I totally understand the hateful reaction to what BK did but I personally think he’s entitled to do what he feels is best for him and his future rather than worry about loyalty to UC. He’s done enough for that program and it’ll only take a Kragthorpe-esque era for Bearcat fans to finally realize that.

by UL is my hot hot sex on Dec 11, 2009 9:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not saying he owed any loyalty to cincy.

He doesn’t. But i’m saying you don’t have to promise the players you’re staying WHILE YOU’RE INTERVIEWING FOR ANOTHER JOB THAT YOU’LL LIKELY GET. Of couse if he had bigger aspirations than cincinnati he can’t just go aroud talking about it, but when you get approached by a notre dame, or a michigan, or a USC or one of these “destination” places everyone should be big enough deal with the fact that any reasonable person would entertain the offer. There’s no need for all the secrecy, the universities should grow up quit acting like babies.

I think the reason these really piss me off is not the university but the players who came there betting their future on a coach and a program and then he bails on them. The NCAA should implement some kind of rule to let them out of their committment when this stuff happens. then i’d have much less of a problem with it.

by Jason G on Dec 12, 2009 12:31 AM EST reply actions  

yep

the environment forces the coach’s hand….not sure what the NCAA could do about it but I think we both agree that it was a little greasy move on BK’s part, I just can’t blame him for doing what he felt was right. There’s no black or white anymore in these situations.

by UL is my hot hot sex on Dec 12, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Every Reason to believe Kelly will be successful at ND

We all hate how hirings happened before the season is finished in college football, but that’s the system for now. Can’t fault Kelly for going to ND. Who on this blog would turn down a job (doing pretty much the same thing as your are now) that more than doubles your salary? Kelly has been hugely successful everywhere he has been. Two national championships with Div II Grand Valley St, great success at Central Michigan and outstanding results at Cincinnati. With less talent and a little tougher schedule then ND, Kelly has Cincinnati 12-0 while the Irish are 6-6. Kelly has a great track record of success as a college head coach something that Weiss (only head coach in high school), Wilingham (only one very good season at Stanford), or Davies (never a head coach prior to ND job). When was the last time ND hired a head coach with this kind of track record? Lou Holtz. If Kelly ever gets ND to 12-0 do you think ND will be left out of BSC game?

One could make a case that Cincinnati is more deserving than Texas to be in the BCS championship game, but the system rewards Texas (Big 12 down this year, Texas plays all cupcakes for non-conference game, no matter how tough your conference is get out and play one decent non-conference game!!!!)

by GSH Card on Dec 14, 2009 11:08 AM EST reply actions  

few comments

If you’re interviewing for other jobs while currently employed, do you broadcast to everyone that you’re looking around? If a co-worker (subordinate, boss, et al) asks you if you’re looking to leave, clearly you lie to them.

Also, Cinci fans didn’t have many problems with Kelly not coaching Central Michigan in their bowl game a few years back. And it’s definitely not different. Just because Cinci has a better team this year than CMU did that year doesn’t mean that the UC players deserve a better fate than their CMU counterparts. I was talking with someone recently and he posited that open season for new coaches shouldn’t start until the second week of January. That way every coach would be there for his team’s bowl game. Additionally, the NCAA should extend the recruiting period a couple extra weeks to allow new coaches to be able to contact recruits.

Also, I can support Texas over UC simply due to the face slap Texas got last year wrt to Oklahoma and the title game. I still think UC would beat UT, but I think UT over UC can at least be defended.

And the fact that people debate over whether ND is relevant is proof positive that they are relevant.

by irish2705 on Dec 15, 2009 9:20 AM EST reply actions  

Good point regarding CMU

Not to belabor this again but the only way this issue gets solved is if the NCAA steps in. However, I assume there’s a specific strategy behind scheduling those recruiting periods, and—assuming again—the reasons behind the recruiting periods are likely a higher priority to the NCAA than enforcing a rule that would only affect the 5% of athletic programs who experience coaching changes each year.

by UL is my hot hot sex on Dec 15, 2009 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

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