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An abbreviated tour of the Louisville sports world

Well, I think it's safe to say that was as eventful a U of L sports weekend as we've seen in quite some time.

Each of these (with the exception of No. 3) demands and will receive additional attention, but for now, let's quickly peruse the topics dominating the Louisville sports world.

1. Is anybody really that concerned about the loss to UNLV? The Louisville basketball team is every bit as likely to lose in November as the Detroit Lions are, and I think we've finally reached the point where Cardinal fans have accepted it as an inevitability.

Last year's eventual No. 1 overall NCAA Tournament seed also lost over Thanksgiving weekend: to Western Kentucky, on a neutral floor, by 14. That same squad also fell to a much weaker UNLV team, playing without its best player, in Freedom Hall.

I'm not saying this year's group of Cards has the potential to achieve the things last year's did, I'm just saying that this is what Pitino's recent teams do. Their weaknesses are exposed early, the players gradually figure out how to fix them, and Louisville is playing some of the best basketball in the country come February and March.

Obviously, this team right now has major problems, but the past tells us that eventually they'll play to their potential. How great their potential is is the larger question.

2. All signs continue to point to Florida defensive coordinator Charlie Strong as the top candidate to replace Steve Kragthorpe. First, you've got Strong saying over the weekend that he's focused on playing Alabama for the SEC championship, but also "if they hire me, they hire me" - which is about as direct of an admittance of interest as you're going to get from a coordinator whose team is vying for a national championship - and now you have Urban Meyer basically touting Strong for the job.

My thought: Strong is exactly what Louisville needs. He's going to recruit the hell out of the state of Florida, the place where U of L laid its foundation for success before the Kragthorpe era. He's the top assistant to a man who's on pace to finish as one of the most successful coaches in college football history. And he's going to bring with him an air of confidence that this program desperately needs.

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Hire Charlie Strong.

3. Lots of talk this morning about Kentucky basketball players stomping on the Cardinal logo during yesterday's open practice at Freedom Hall. Despite the fact that they'd quickly label the pope a "thug" if he did the same thing at Rupp, I'm positive that Big Blue fans will write this off as a sign of the program having its swagger back or something like that.

Do I think this was in poor taste? Sure, but this is what Calipari-coached teams do (hi, Darius). We all expected this type of stuff when Kentucky hired Calipari, and honestly, it's fantastic for the rivalry. Admit it, you haven't wanted to beat UK this much in a long time.

When asked if he thought the actions would incite the Louisville players, Patrick Patterson reportedly responded, "If it does, it does; if it doesn't, it doesn't. That's entirely on them."

Of course you can't blame Patrick. If I'd had my shot blocked 79 times in my only two appearances - both losses - against my program's biggest rival, I'd probably try and act like stomping on their logo in front of only my fans and teammates proved something too. 

4. Kragthorpe presser at 1:30.

Tears and cliches will both flow like a glorious dream.

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Gr8!!!

Very good points made and all to the truest facts. We should hire Strong if he is a strong recruiter. I am a avid recruiting type of fan. If we do not have the top talent then we can not be relevant to the competition. I hope he can get us recruits and make good of a system that is going to be exciting and winning. As far as the Cats coming in and stomping on the Logo that stuff needs to stop. I do blame the coach for disrespect. As far as the cards losing good thing it is now and not later. they needed to lose to be humbled and gain focus on the own needs to help the team. I feel they were more hungry than us on that game. Oh and if no one noticed Krag’s is selling his stuff on EBay. Look at his Twitter page.

"Pitcher has a big butt"

by image21972 on Nov 30, 2009 10:29 AM EST reply actions  

I'm impressed that our team

came back to tie it after being down big, on a bad shooting night. Can’t wait until things start clicking in January.

As for the UK, swagger is one thing, skill is another. Nothing yet from them so far this season suggests they should be ranked in the top 5, or possibly even the top 10. I think the two game after tonights will give them their wake up call.

by CardinalDude on Nov 30, 2009 10:57 AM EST reply actions  

Regarding UK

Couldn’t agree more regarding their ranking and swagger vs skill.

by SpeedStudent on Nov 30, 2009 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Charlie Strong!

He’s certainly the best candidate of the names I’ve heard speculated. But… gosh… he’s mostly likely got his final Florida game on January 7, 2010. Unless we can get a commitment from him before then, that disturbs me a bit. He’ll already be 2 – 6 weeks behind on recruiting. Not a deal breaker, but painful nonetheless.

Grog

"There is no OFF position to the genius switch" - D. Letterman

by GrogInOhio on Nov 30, 2009 11:07 AM EST reply actions  

Grog, my guess is...

that if Strong is going to be the guy, we’ll come to some agreement with him after the SEC Championship game, with an understanding from Coach Meyer. I remember numerous times in past seasons where school have come to agreements with coordinators who still have a bowl game to coach. That way, the recruits (and everyone else) know who the guy is going to be, and he’s then free to finish up the bowl game without the media distraction/speculation because the deal is already set in stone and announced. I think there’d be plenty of time for Strong to get a bit of a start on recruiting, while also paying due diligence to getting his gameplan ready for the National Championship (should they beat Florida).

by quiet cardinal on Nov 30, 2009 3:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Imagine how pissed the UK fans will be

if we beat them with a black dude at the helm

by sam34gtr on Nov 30, 2009 12:00 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

What I heard yesterday

was two UK fans talking and one remarked about the pix in the CJ of the possible candidates and one said to the other that “the first three sure don’t look like us.”

I have a scar on my tongue from biting it.

by cbcard on Nov 30, 2009 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

That seems kind of hypocritical

Considering that Joker Phillips is their coach in waiting and all. But since they’re UK fans, maybe they don’t realize he’s black as well. I can’t imagine that’s how a majority of Cats fans feel though.

by Chris Redman is my hero on Nov 30, 2009 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Support for Joker is limited within the fan base

you don’t have to look far to find people bashing him already. I think the UK administration is forward thinking, but the fanbase can’t handle seeing a black man at the helm.

by Dais on Nov 30, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Krag Presser

He’s a nice dude. I feel kind of bad for him. Not bad enough to think we should have retained him or anything like that, but I do think he sincerely tried to do well. The problem is he got thrown into the deep end and couldn’t swim.

by Centre24 on Nov 30, 2009 2:05 PM EST reply actions  

Mr. Krageniality reflects on his career at Louisville

Perhaps his long term approach, i.e. “I wanted to finish my career here” cooled the fire in his belly. Was he too comfortable during his first year, thus setting up the inevitable?

Other dead horses:
If Jurich would’ve apologized publicly for hamstringing Kragthorpe in 2007 and shed more light on the “issues” they so cryptically used as excuses, perhaps the fans wouldn’t have become so frustrated, so quickly and so loudly. Ball’s in your court C-J sports staff…let’s uncover the dirt on that.

Kragthorpe is a good guy who will soon be a really rich good guy. Don’t feel sorry for him—he feels like he earned “every cent” of his contract and therefore must be man enough to take the abuse that comes with such celebrity. Who knows what his true motivation was for the press conference—maybe a PR move for his next employer, maybe he’s just an emotional guy and wants people in L’ville to really like him. Trying to do well is for intramurals and several good guys won’t make it to heaven. Hopefully, Jurich will hire a program saviour who can return the Cards to the promised land of winning football. As for you Steve, enjoy every last cent. Jurich wept.

by UL is my hot hot sex on Nov 30, 2009 2:39 PM EST reply actions  

I don't think anyone is really upset the Cards lost to UNLV.

People were upset watching them lose, and I think that’s the difference.

by cardscott5 on Nov 30, 2009 4:32 PM EST reply actions  

Excited about the prospect of Charlie Strong

and even a couple other candidates. Coach Kragthorpe has always seemed like a good guy. I could do without all the God talk, but that’s me. He will find a better fit in the future. Nice presser to end the era. Good luck to him.

Loss at UNLV is OK. It’s team we should beat, but Pitino is still feeling out players and lineups. I’m sure it was a good learning experience. It was a loud crowd (though not a sellout???) and the team was tenacious and well coached. It’s a great way to get ready for tough road games later in the season.

UK players stomping on Cardinal at center court of Freedom Hall. That’s just dumb. What are they seven-year-olds? I never get that kind of stuff. It’s trite, immature, and meaningless.

Maddie in Portland, Oregon

by kentuckybred on Nov 30, 2009 5:43 PM EST reply actions  

I've been going back and forth about Krags the past few days.

I really wish it had worked out for him. He clearly wanted to be here forever, and that’s refreshing out of a coach these days. There’s not too many Bobby Bowden’s left in college football (and him potentially getting the can is absurd in my opinion).

I really think people would have been much more understanding and forgiving if things hadn’t gotten so terribly bad. Look at UConn. Here they sit at 6-6 with their biggest win over a team that’s also 6-6 and just fired their coach. But nobody’s talking about getting rid of Edsall. Why? Because the team plays with heart week in and week out, they play disciplined, and he’s proven that they can be good, it’s just not happening this year. Kragtorpe’s teams on the other hand have just gotten worse, less disciplined, and have seemed to lose heart and will as games go on. If he could have gone 6-6 this season, with lots of discipline and heart, I would’ve been willing to give him and his best recruiting class so far a chance at a fourth season. But it didn’t happen, so we have to move on before we end up in an unrecoverable state.

I honestly think Krag will do well at some mid-major school, and I hope he does. But I just don’t think his schemes and philosophies were good for Louisville, for whatever reason. It’s a shame, and it’s tough, but it happens, and it’s time to move on.

by CARD_G6 on Nov 30, 2009 6:55 PM EST reply actions  

fyi

Bowden will apparently announce his retirement Tuesday

by CardChakra on Nov 30, 2009 7:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Edsall

Kragthorpe lost 7 or 8 straight Big East games by double digits whereas Edsall’s losses have been by 1-3 pts. It’s not that he’s 6-6 and yet they show heart—it’s that he’s been competitive in every game and had a legitimate chance to win all of them in the last two minutes.

by UL is my hot hot sex on Nov 30, 2009 8:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Well... yeah.

That’s the other part that I didn’t really get around to talking about, but is certainly true.

by CARD_G6 on Dec 1, 2009 12:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I just find it odd

that Coach Cal and Kentucky want (seemingly disparately) to play in Louisville so bad. (Cal trying to sell out Freedom Hall today and talking about bringing an SEC game there. Is that to just heat up the rivalry? Really, what’s up with that?

by REALISTICCARDSFAN on Nov 30, 2009 8:01 PM EST reply actions  

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