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Louisville Cardinals at Cincinnati Bearcats, Oct 24, 2009 3:30 PM EDT


Not sure what this is, but seeing it just became a life goal.

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Damn it.

This clown has got to go.

by CARD_G6 on Oct 24, 2009 3:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Is the game going to be broadcast on Justintv for those of us without ESPNU?

Also, you know what sucks? Even f we some how win this game, it means nothing to the season. We’re almost guaranteed not to make a bowl game, Kragthorpe is still going to be fired and there’s still a high chance we lose to Syracuse….sigh….

by Centre24 on Oct 24, 2009 3:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Granted...

…I would luv to see the looks on the UC faces if they lose to us. Unfortunately, we have become the Syracuse of Big East football.

by JustCards on Oct 24, 2009 3:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'll be back...

…I’m going to get a sandwich

by JustCards on Oct 24, 2009 3:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I respect this #5 Cincy team

A gazillion times less than our formerly ranked #5 teams.

by Adamjd86 on Oct 24, 2009 3:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't you know...

…our first 10 defensive plays are scripted.

by JustCards on Oct 24, 2009 3:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Haha

that explains a lot

by cardscott5 on Oct 24, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Once again...

cover 2 gets burned.

by CARD_G6 on Oct 24, 2009 3:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

My wallet IS too bulky...

it’s like ESPNU can read my mind.

by CARD_G6 on Oct 24, 2009 3:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

nice

I just need that lighted keychain so I can read my restaurant menu tonight.

by centrecard on Oct 24, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You won't need to go to a restaurant

once the Meatball Express and Perfect Brownie spots start rolling.

by CARD_G6 on Oct 24, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

dammit

we’re going to be down14-0 before Krag can scratch his ass

by Centre24 on Oct 24, 2009 3:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

3 and out

Off to a great start

by CardinalDude on Oct 24, 2009 3:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Kragthorpe...

…All the brilliance of a Dark Star

by JustCards on Oct 24, 2009 3:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

62 yd punt.

Best play of the game?

by Adamjd86 on Oct 24, 2009 3:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Steve Kragthorpe upset formula:

Don’t throw the ball at all on your first possession+run it with your slower backup RB+hand it off from the shotgun on 3rd and 3.

Where did this guy come from, seriously?

by CARD_G6 on Oct 24, 2009 3:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Does ESPNU have any commercials

that aren’t basically 30 second infomercials?

by CARD_G6 on Oct 24, 2009 3:51 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Homecoming Fodder

Ah…I didn’t know we were UC’s homecoming fodder.

by Remote Cardinal on Oct 24, 2009 3:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Brilliant move, really.

They’ll get a monster win against what is still somehow considered a rival.

by CARD_G6 on Oct 24, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is embarrassing.

I don’t think they’ve seen a third down yet today.

by CARD_G6 on Oct 24, 2009 3:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yards/Play

What’s UC’s avg. yards/play right now? I missed the first drive, but I bet it’s over 5.

by Remote Cardinal on Oct 24, 2009 3:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

At least 9

it seems. Already over 140 yards I believe

by cardscott5 on Oct 24, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How did Mike ever assume Cincy would only score 27?

They’ll probably have that five minutes into the second quarter.

by CARD_G6 on Oct 24, 2009 3:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

O/U

Over under was like 46? 41?

UC might get it solo

by Remote Cardinal on Oct 24, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If it wasn't for BB, and the facty that I can drinl Bourbon with a valid excuse...

…I wouldn’t be watching this…what’s the word…horror show.

by JustCards on Oct 24, 2009 4:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Did we have a defensive gameplan for this game?

I haven’t seen what it could possibly be. Just getting gashed left and right and getting blown off the ball and torched in coverage. We should have fired this defensive coordinator too

by cardscott5 on Oct 24, 2009 4:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

First down plays

-1, -1. Second down plays, run up the middle, run up the middle

by cardscott5 on Oct 24, 2009 4:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This is going to get bad.

I mean, really, really, really bad.

by CARD_G6 on Oct 24, 2009 4:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Lockdown in the complex

SK’s hole up is paying dividends

by 85card on Oct 24, 2009 4:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It's third down

it’s a minor miracle

by cardscott5 on Oct 24, 2009 4:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Holy Hell.

I’ll put that one on luck.

by CARD_G6 on Oct 24, 2009 4:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Best field position of the day possibly.

by Remote Cardinal on Oct 24, 2009 4:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

WOOOOOOOO

I’m going to stop watching now while something good happened

by sarasota-card on Oct 24, 2009 4:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Quit while you're

not as far behind as you will be?

by CARD_G6 on Oct 24, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

UConn

Anyone been charged with the murder of Howard yet?

by Remote Cardinal on Oct 24, 2009 4:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

no

they mentioned earlier on ESPN that someone is posting threats on the Internet that anyone who provides info to police will be killed. That sounds scary but actually is good from the perspective of finding the responsible person, the police will likely have no trouble finding them after that unless they were smart enough to stay anonymous (which isn’t all that easy for your average person).

by cmb on Oct 24, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

Heading to the public library to post anonymously on the Internet is pretty easy for most people.

by CARD_G6 on Oct 24, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

most people are too dumb to figure that out

and depending on the library that might not be anonymous either.

by cmb on Oct 24, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We threw it on 1st down? Color me surprised.

by Remote Cardinal on Oct 24, 2009 4:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Vic Anderson

its hard ot express how sorry i feel for vic anderson

by KyCubsFan on Oct 24, 2009 4:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Melissa 'Knowles'

That’s gotta be a good sign for us.

by Adamjd86 on Oct 24, 2009 4:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Strips on D

How many strips has our D produced this year. Seems like something they should really work on.

by Remote Cardinal on Oct 24, 2009 4:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

along with

tackling, making interceptions, covering receivers, getting pressure on the qb, not making stupid penalties and stripping the ball like you said. Our defensive coaches suck, and Krag hired them, so he sucks more

by cardscott5 on Oct 24, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you suck at all those other things...

Stripping the ball still can make you look good.

by Remote Cardinal on Oct 24, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This defense isnt going to be able to stop Cincy

The score is gonna get embarrassing soon…bad feeling

by twistedwedge on Oct 24, 2009 4:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

OMG.

I HAVE to have the Tool Band-it.

by CARD_G6 on Oct 24, 2009 4:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Pike

is thinking…SON OF A B????. I could have added 500 yards to my Heisman status today.

by Remote Cardinal on Oct 24, 2009 4:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I say we throw Burke out there...

Froman may not complete 5 passes today.

by CentreCard86 on Oct 24, 2009 4:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ashley

At least he’s got a carry today. Why didn’t he get any vs. UConn?

by Remote Cardinal on Oct 24, 2009 4:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

turns out Ashley can play…imagine that.

by CentreCard86 on Oct 24, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

worse than VA? doubtful.

by Remote Cardinal on Oct 24, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

SK thinks if some is good more is better, even on the same set.

by Remote Cardinal on Oct 24, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The defense was ready?

You mean, they weren’t caught off guard with running it to the left five times in a row?

by CARD_G6 on Oct 24, 2009 4:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

even the commentators knew better

“setting up play action” – uhh, yeah except Krags doesn’t understand that evidently

by cmb on Oct 24, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hmmmmmmmmm steve

lets call the same play 5 times in a row and I wonder how long it will take for them to figure it out

by twistedwedge on Oct 24, 2009 4:35 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If one's good

Five must be five times more gooder, right?

by bartenpa on Oct 24, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

2nd and 1

now 3rd and 6. Brilliant!

by CentreCard86 on Oct 24, 2009 4:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ahhhh there we go

sweep left on 2nd and 1…..GENIUS!

by twistedwedge on Oct 24, 2009 4:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Holy god Pascley.

It felt like he transferred too.

by CARD_G6 on Oct 24, 2009 4:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A baby...

could call a better game. This is gross!

by CentreCard86 on Oct 24, 2009 4:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Does K know what misdirection is?

You know, a counter, basically anything besides a sweep or off tackle run?

by bartenpa on Oct 24, 2009 4:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

wow!

Chichester hung on to it!

by twistedwedge on Oct 24, 2009 4:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I thought it was gonna be dropped for sure, too.

by CentreCard86 on Oct 24, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm glad I kept watching now.

But now I’m turning it off for sure. This is just going to piss of UC.

by sarasota-card on Oct 24, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

or “piss off.” Something like that.

by sarasota-card on Oct 24, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

mmmmm...mmmm...

Talk about a sack lunch!

by CentreCard86 on Oct 24, 2009 4:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

wtf

Cincy is scrambling and Krag calls a timeout to let them get a nice setup on their field goal?

by cmb on Oct 24, 2009 4:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh we call a timeout to give them a field goal

why not just let them kick the last second fg? Why wouldn’t we sub when they did?

by cardscott5 on Oct 24, 2009 4:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

use one...

why not use all three??

by twistedwedge on Oct 24, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

GO CARDS!

KEEP IT TO 14 POINTS!

by Blocky on Oct 24, 2009 4:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

oh geez

there has to be something dumber, the list of stupidity is just absurdly long. it’s up there, but with such a list, no telling what’s the worst

by cmb on Oct 24, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hard to say.

There really should be a competition. Other nominees:

Going for 1 down 10 against Utah.
Option against UK

by CARD_G6 on Oct 24, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I think my ranking for the season is..

1. Timeout to allow them to set up rushed FG before half
2. Going for 1 against Utah
3. Option play-call against UK (though I liked that we went for it)

by Adamjd86 on Oct 24, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not dumbest, but certainly up there for most absurd.

Calling a timeout with the clock running on a 51 yard field goal that their kicker probably has a 5% change of making anyway.. then ‘icing’ him with another timeout? Equal parts stupid and useless, IMO.

by bartenpa on Oct 24, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, it was a 51 yard field goal.

The Kentucky option was so much worse. The Utah not going for 2 down 10 was much, much stupider.

by cardscott5 on Oct 24, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Boom!

That’s how you coach an end of the half situation.

by CentreCard86 on Oct 24, 2009 4:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The only rational explanation I can think of for Krag's playcalling, behavior, etc.

It’s some sort of viral advertising campaign for a movie about a six year old who switches bodies with a successful college football coach.

by bartenpa on Oct 24, 2009 4:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That Big East commercial was terrible.

I mean, really, really, really bad. Like, so bad, that would make me want to commit to a Big East school less.

by CARD_G6 on Oct 24, 2009 4:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

how you guys like those two AA "baby bush" highlight clips

Thanks for running him out of town, Steve. Please leave….

by twistedwedge on Oct 24, 2009 5:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So Anthony Allen had another good game...

Man I love the constant reminders of how good we used to be.

by bartenpa on Oct 24, 2009 5:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Pitt took care of business

USF’s mid-season choke in full effect still.

by Remote Cardinal on Oct 24, 2009 5:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

End of October

the USF choke wagon right on schedule

by cardscott5 on Oct 24, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you underestimate USF's choking abilities.

I think even we could compete with them right now. Remember, last year’s choke-fest started with us last year.

by CARD_G6 on Oct 24, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

at this point

all optimism has left the building for me

by twistedwedge on Oct 24, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Man that Big East sportsmanship commercial

Really makes me want to commit a personal foul on whoever made it.

by bartenpa on Oct 24, 2009 5:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd believe it

But where were the beauty shots of half-price meat? I can’t picture Steve without him.

by bartenpa on Oct 24, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The statement that we make will be:

We have no intention of winning this game, please be gentle.

by bartenpa on Oct 24, 2009 5:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

We're one or two plays away.

We’ve just got to turn the corner.

Don’t laugh at my Waffle House menu!

by CARD_G6 on Oct 24, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hey hey

another great use of a time out!!

by twistedwedge on Oct 24, 2009 5:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey, timeout.

Yeah, cause those are never useful at the end of a game.

by CARD_G6 on Oct 24, 2009 5:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Soft Call

But I shouldn’t complain.

by bartenpa on Oct 24, 2009 5:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Froman option

wow, our OC is amazing

by cmb on Oct 24, 2009 5:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

hmmmm

so we gained 30 off their penalties, and just lost 15

by twistedwedge on Oct 24, 2009 5:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ah, there's the PF.

I was waiting for one of those to bite us in the ass.

by CardinalDude on Oct 24, 2009 5:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Woohoo!

Taste the Payne!

by bartenpa on Oct 24, 2009 5:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

well they exceeded my expectations

we got 10 on the board. wonder when cincy’s defense is going to wake up?

by twistedwedge on Oct 24, 2009 5:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

My guess would be...

some time before ours does.

by CARD_G6 on Oct 24, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

how pissed is Kelly? 10 points, geeze.

by CentreCard86 on Oct 24, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Goettsche

My guess is that he is on pace for a UL single season record for most punts attempted.

by RB in Bardstown on Oct 24, 2009 5:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That is how you return a kickoff

He was at full speed when he caught it.

by RB in Bardstown on Oct 24, 2009 5:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I'll be honest with you guys..

I’ve honestly seen this team display very little of anything resembling momentum since the UK game. Any success has looked more like a string of breaks and decent plays.

by CARD_G6 on Oct 24, 2009 5:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Word.

This team doesn’t know what it’s like to control a game, because they haven’t really created and protected a lead yet this season (besides SoMiss, i guess).

by bartenpa on Oct 24, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OT:

but honestly-Geico is bullshit with their claims of “saving money” They were like 20% more expensive for me

by twistedwedge on Oct 24, 2009 5:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

oh fuck

you hear that? Vic Anderson separated shoulder???

by twistedwedge on Oct 24, 2009 5:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Ball game…

by CentreCard86 on Oct 24, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I must be a bad fan too

I gave up hoping we would win as soon as I realized that we have a terrible coach and a completely demoralized team. I love U of L, but there’s no point getting invested in a game we’re definitely going to lose.

by bartenpa on Oct 24, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup.

A little more delayed than I expected, but here nonetheless.

by CARD_G6 on Oct 24, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Holy crap

It’s pitch and catch out there.

by bartenpa on Oct 24, 2009 5:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

In all fairness...

that’s true of a a lot of receivers in the Big East.

Things are not going to get better.

by CARD_G6 on Oct 24, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey, Froman's out too.

When it rains, it pours.

To be honest, I prefer Burke anyway.

by CARD_G6 on Oct 24, 2009 5:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Burke in

I think we are going to our ball control game.

by RB in Bardstown on Oct 24, 2009 5:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey, a timeout.

This is a catastrofuck.

Honestly, how is this motherfucker still here?

by CARD_G6 on Oct 24, 2009 5:42 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

LOL

WIDE OPEN and throws it high……

by twistedwedge on Oct 24, 2009 5:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

TD Cincy

game, set, match

by twistedwedge on Oct 24, 2009 5:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

WTF

Can we fire K at the end of the quarter?

by RB in Bardstown on Oct 24, 2009 5:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think these announcers are drunk.

I would be too at this point if I was them.

by bartenpa on Oct 24, 2009 5:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

put stoudt in

for fuck sakes burke sucks

by twistedwedge on Oct 24, 2009 5:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Perfect call

We will go for 2 for sure

by RB in Bardstown on Oct 24, 2009 5:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Doug's hurt

He was dangling his right arm coming off there..

by bartenpa on Oct 24, 2009 5:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Im sorry but Steve is the one to blame

if Vic is seriously hurt. Why the fuck was he in the game if his leg was still hurt?

by twistedwedge on Oct 24, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i was joking

Vic shouldn’t have played last week if you ask me. Krag has ruined everything

by cardscott5 on Oct 24, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

K gone

in 2 minutes 14 seconds

by RB in Bardstown on Oct 24, 2009 5:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

In the good news,

we are helping them lead the nation in tackles behind the line of scrimage

by cardscott5 on Oct 24, 2009 5:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ahhhhh perfect

INT. Get ready for 7 more on the board for cincy

by twistedwedge on Oct 24, 2009 5:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So, anyone have any b-ball news?

Who’s headed to the scrimmage tomorrow?

by CentreCard86 on Oct 24, 2009 5:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I was about to say.

Maybe this will be the impetus that people need to start watching our soccer team.. (I can dream)

by bartenpa on Oct 24, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed, when’s their next home game?

by CentreCard86 on Oct 24, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tonight

Against Rutgers @ 7:00 I think.

by bartenpa on Oct 24, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I want to go...but sadly wont be able to

hopefully someone on here will have some good game notes and observations

by twistedwedge on Oct 24, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

heres some exciting basketball news...

PK Bags Krag when he’s not ruling the world…

by RyR on Oct 24, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We're Winning

… In the Punts Category… has Cincy Punted? I think we may be shutting them out of that stat!!! Go Kragthorpe!

by RyR on Oct 24, 2009 5:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey, I really like how this staff is coming together

Because no one else will hang out with them.

by centrecard on Oct 24, 2009 6:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Assuming The Krag makes it to next Saturday

The Arkansas State game will be the official Bag Krag game

www.bagkrag.com
www.insidethecards.com

Check in for updates…We will be trying to set the world record for most people Bagging Krag at one time…

If you think this is disrespectful or wrong, watch the highlights of this UC game, then talk to me

by Luke Whitehead's Rap Career on Oct 24, 2009 6:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Woohoo

Doug’s back

by bartenpa on Oct 24, 2009 6:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

2 in a row

Stein should start next week

by cardscott5 on Oct 24, 2009 6:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Cam Graham can't hold on to the ball today

almost like how this game couldn’t hold on to people’s attention. We improved 20 spots in turnover margin this year. Hey hey

by cardscott5 on Oct 24, 2009 6:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Now I know why I am still watching

The Margaritaville Grill. I am ordering now.

by RB in Bardstown on Oct 24, 2009 6:22 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

OK, it's official....

being a U of L Football fan is like being pecked to death by chickens..

by Linda on Oct 24, 2009 7:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Actually our defense was not all bad. They kept another 29 points off the board. I don’t know a bookie, but this had to be the lock of the year (so far). It’ll be interesting to see what the spread is with Arky St if there is one at all.

by RedHotCard on Oct 25, 2009 12:22 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I suggest that bag day is here and you need to get yours ready to wear. We need a bunch of them in the stands for TJ to finally see. I was kind of surprised to look at the Pitt game and see all those empty seats. Must be a case of double tailgating with the Steelers.

by RedHotCard on Oct 25, 2009 12:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A better illustration of our current status:

We are/were Homecoming fodder for 4 of our 6 road games. If you’re scoring, that’s Utah, UConn, UC, and USF. Is that a record?

by 520Card on Oct 25, 2009 1:10 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

BAG OUT VS. ARKANSAS STATE

I want at least 15,000 bag heads in the stands. The other 25,000 fans will be disguised as empty seats.

by RB in Bardstown on Oct 25, 2009 7:34 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs


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