U of L 16th in ESPN prestige rankings
ESPN.com has been performing a rather interesting exercise this week, counting down the most prestigious college basketball programs since 1984-85 (when the tournament expanded to 64 teams) by using the following formula to award point totals to each of the 300 eligible D-1 programs:
• National title … 25
• Title game loss … 20
• National semifinal loss … 15
• Elite Eight loss … 10
• Best W-L record in conference's regular season … 5
• 30+ wins in a season … 5
• Sweet 16 loss … 5
• Conference tournament title … 3
• AP first-team All-American … 3
• Losing in NCAA second round … 3
• Player in Top 10 of NBA draft … 2
• NCAA first-round win as a 12-16 seed … 2
• NIT title … 2
• AP second-team All-American … 2
• 20-29 wins in a season … 1
• NCAA tournament berth … 1
• Postseason NIT berth … 1
• AP third-team All-American … 1
• NCAA first-round loss to a 12-16 seed … -2
• Losing season … -3
• Ban from NCAA tournament … -3
>> Minimum 15 seasons in Division I
** Ties are broken by overall winning percentage since the 1984-85 season
^^ Teams are listed with their current conferences
We can haggle over the system all day long (one point for both an NCAA Tournament and NIT berth seems a bit odd), but it has been fairly enjoyable to follow a countdown like this that's based on something other than "well, here's what I think."
Anyhow, da World Wide Leader unveiled programs 20-11 today, and our beloved Louisville Cardinals came in at No. 16.
16. LOUISVILLE CARDINALS, Big East
Positives: 16 conference titles (7 regular-season; 9 tourney); 2 30-win seasons; 17 NCAA berths; 9 Sweet 16s; 1986 national championship
Negatives: 3 losing seasons; 1 first-team All-American; 14 20-win seasons is tied for the fewest of the teams in the Top 20
Total points: 204
Did you know? Louisville would have been at least 14th on this list if it was able to upset North Carolina in last year's Elite Eight game. A five-year span between the 1997-98 and 2001-02 seasons is the only stretch of mediocrity for a program that has been consistently good. The Cardinals are last among the three schools tied with 204 points because of the lowest combined winning percentage (.658) since 1984-85.
Even with that rough five-year stretch, I have a hard time believing that U of L has been less prestigious over the past 22 seasons than Memphis, Arkansas or Oklahoma, but again, the formula is what it is, and overall I'd say 16 isn't too far off from where we deserve to be.
You have to think Duke pretty much has the top spot on lock.
Where the other Big East teams checked in:
T-229. South Florida
T-225. Rutgers
T-111. Providence
95. Depaul
T-86. Notre Dame
67. West Virginia
T-61. Marquette
51. Seton Hall
44. Pittsburgh
36. St. John's
31. Villanova
19. Cincinnati
Connecticut, Georgetown and Syracuse all rank somewhere in the top ten.
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A bit disappointed
Actually I’m a bit disappointed at #16. I had this conversation with my barber (a die hard OSU fan) about a year ago. We tried to lay out the top 10 NCAA basketball coaching jobs… we both had Louisville in the top 10. My list:
1 – Duke
2 – UNC
3 – UCLA
4 – Louisville
5 – KY
6 – IU
7 – Michigan State
"There is no OFF position to the genius switch" - D. Letterman
by GrogInOhio on
Jul 24, 2008 2:49 PM EDT
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BIG EAST Looking good
Half of the BIG EAST in the Top 51 looks pretty good for the conference.
by VUhoops.com on
Jul 24, 2008 4:11 PM EDT
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To Quote Samuel Langhorne Clemens
I wonder why they started the skein in 1984? One could argue that it leaves out many of the best years of The Team of The Decade. Why, cause there were only 48 in the field for the first part of the eighties? Hardly a difference. Didn’t the US Reed dagger shred our hearts because of the bye?
Arbitrary?
Arbitrary means “standards of silly puddy.”
Why not 1588? No peach baskets back then?
1066?....that William The Conqueror wasn’t bad in the low post…watch those pointy elbows!
1964? Hands down, UCLA.
You can fan the cards anyway you want when you’re the dealer.
When we had good nights, and we did have some good nights, we could play with anybody.
Getting back to Mr Twain and the quote on stats…you know it, but you’re gonna hear it again anyway:
“There are statistics, damn statistics, and LIES.”
by Roz on
Jul 24, 2008 9:26 PM EDT
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'78 --wasn't that another yr they upped the # in the NCAA field?
we would be in 10 ten then
by frankpos on
Jul 24, 2008 9:43 PM EDT
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