Turner Gill to UofL?
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UofL should get rid of Kragthorpe. Here's why:
1. All aspects of the team have gotten worse
Since Kragthorpe has arrived, each unit (Offense, Defense and Special Teams) has gotten worse. I won't have the exact stats right here, but UofL's offense is out of the Top 10 this year for the first year since 2002 and this is the worse UofL offense since 1992 or 1993. That's just bad how quickly the offense has gone down. Regarding the Defense, you have to make sure you're not just comparing this year's defense to last year's terrible defense. It was embarrassing what Rutgers did on Thursday and the only thing stopping them from scoring 100 was the fact that they kept trying to run those Wildcat plays as opposed to standing in the pocket and throwing bombs downfield. And don't even get me started on Special Teams. I don't know how many students UofL has (30,000?), but there has got to be someone in the student body who can kick a 30 yard FG. I mean, sheesh.
2. Commitment to stay means nothing
I hope people don't read too deeply into Kragthorpe's recent commitment to stay and help build this program. The only reason he is staying is because he wouldn't be able to get a head coaching job elsewhere. Not even SMU would hire him.
3. Things are going to get worse before they get better
As sluggish as the offense looked this year, one thing that was not mentioned one single time was any criticism of the offensive line. UofL is losing two of its best lineman ever in Eric Wood and George Bussey. I don't even want to think about a nightmare scenario where UofL's O-line is 2002-esque next year. Just think, it coulda been worse this year -- waaay worse.
4. Kragthorpe inherited a NFL roster
One thing you hear about a lot of new, but unsuccessful coaches is they don't have "his guys" yet (ie, "Give him a couple more years so he can get 'his guys' in there."). Last year, Kragthorpe was given a NFL-ready roster and it became worse. That team had NFL draft picks in Brohm, Douglas, Barnidge, Urrutia, Wood, Bussey and Bolen and they lost to Syracuse...at home! Ack! All I'm saying is a team with Kragthorpe's best-case-scenario guys coming in would not be as stacked as the team from last year. Kragthorpe was given a NFL roster on a silver platter with a bow around it and couldn't effectively use it.
5. JUCO is not the answer
Kragthorpe keeps talking about JUCO as the band-aid answer to all of the team's issues. The problem is, JUCO is not a sustainable program builder. If you think about all of the teams that have historically relied on JUCOs (Arkansas hoops, Cincinnati hoops, Kansas St. football, Texas A&M hoops, etc), none of those teams build a consistent winner year-in and year-out. Sure, sometimes the teams are good, but they can drop like a rock quickly. JUCOs are effectively 2-year mercenaries. UofL has spent the last 25 years cultivating relationships with high school coaches in FL, AL and GA. In Alabama specifically, UofL has recruited such NFL starters as Kerry Rhodes, Dewayne White, Amobi Okoye and Brandon Johnson. Kragthorpe has effectively turned off the spigot and cut off this pipeline. The pipeline is important because you need to have local guys still on the team who can speak to some of the younger juniors and seniors from their home area who are getting recruited. And don't even get me started on this kid from Central who UofL hasn't even spoken with. If a top school comes in and signs a kid from Central that UofL doesnt even speak to, then we've got a major issue on our hands. I mean, that's almost negligence.
5. Wasn't Kragthorpe a QB guru?
Didn't we hear all of this stuff like all of Drew Bledsoe's success is directly due to Kragthorpe's mentorship and coaching? There have been two NFL QBs starting the last two years with Brohm and Cantwell. I don't think you can make either of the following statements: (i) Kragthorpe has cultivated a special bond with either of those guys or (ii) either one improved under Kragthorpe's tutelage
6. It's best to cut bait
Rather than giving him several more years to prove himself (can you say, Tyrone Willingham Part II?), wouldn't it be best to simply admit that the program has a downward trajectory and that we should cut bait and start over?
7. Know your audience
I've always been miffed about Kragthorpe's policy with the press. He usually says nothing, but when he says something, he's actually saying nothing. He's got to realize that this isn't Tulsa where he's overshadowed by OU and OSU or at Boston College where the Eagles play fourth-fiddle to all of the pro sports teams. Koach, you're in Louisville where UofL football and basketball are front page news in the offseason. People actually care about your team and simply ask for a modicum of real, substantive information from their head coach. When you don't build rapport with your fans, you lose the tiebreaker in decisions when your performance isn't good and you aren't winning ballgames.
6. John L. Smith is available
You keep hearing about John L. Smith for various openings around the country and there are continued spottings of him at the B&W club at the UofL games. However, I don't think I could ever be supportive of him returning to coach because of (i) that terrible, poisonous feeling we all had in 2002 when ESPN discovered that John L. had accepted the MSU job and annouced it during the bowl game vs. Marshall and (ii) the fact that nobody wants to go back to those faded maroon/red jerseys with no names on the back of them. Michigan St. had the top-of-the-line Nike jerseys when he arrived there and John L. quickly outfitted them in Army green unis (with no name on the back).
For the aforementioned reasons, I'm officially supporting going after Turner Gill as head coach of UofL. That guy is a winner.
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Good stuff
I think this pretty much sums it up. I was trying to think of counter-points for arguments sake and to see if there was some sort of silver lining. But nope.
Ugh. Depressing way to start the morning, but it has to be said.
by CardsFan922 on Dec 6, 2008 10:27 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Quinn, you and Cardsfan (and Mike) are the football gurus
that I listen to closely on this board.
It is indeed so broken and so sad
frankpos
I am not one to bash the Cards…but I do know many players were cut by Krags due to whatever…where are those players now?…Has anyone followed that? Have they gone to another football team with Petrino leaving and Krag coming in? Mike, do you follow those players?
I mean all I have heard is that Krag
Inherited all these NFL future players…where are they now? Are they playing in another conference or waiting for eligibility? Seriously….where did all those players go?
A # on the NFL rosters
Who? Wasn’t there like 21 players or some ridiculous number that either left or were cut? I suppose this is something you fans do not want to follow…so be it.
What do you mean do not want to follow? I just didn't know how many
but it’s a fair # - and fairly easy to find-if i wanted to—for you.
Frank, regarding the strike through....(you asked Mike about a while back)......
on some of your sentences/words. When you type your post, be sure you don’t accidentally click on the S with the line through it (upper left of your blog next to the I for Italics and the B for bold……for some reason that “Strike Thru” feature is being activated when you type your entry…hope that helps.
I'll answer this question
Brian Brohm – Green Bay Packers (FYI – NFL franchise)
Harry Douglas – Atlanta Falcons (FYI – NFL franchise)
Breno Giacomini – Green Bay Packers (FYI – NFL franchise)
Mario Urrutia – Cincinnati Bengals (FYI – NFL franchise)
Gary Barnidge – Carolina Panthers (FYI – NFL franchise)
Eric Wood – To be drafted by a NFL franchise in April 2009
George Bussey – To be drafted by a NFL franchise in April 2009
Brock Bolen – To be drafted by a NFL franchise in April 2009
Hunter Cantwell – To be drafted by a NFL franchise in April 2009
Hope that helps. Thank you for your request.
by Quinn1979 on Dec 7, 2008 7:08 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks Quinn
Ok that’s five from the team…how many were Sr’s and gone anyway? The last four decided to remain with the team, which is admirable and I hope they find a way to the NFL.
But my original question was about all the ones that Krag dismissed that all the UL fans thought should never have been dismissed because they were part of a team that was going further into the ranks and keep UL ranked in the Big East.
Well...
…after the 2006 season a number of guys looked like NFL players. Malik Jackson was talked about as potentially leaving after that season, he came back and looked terrible last year and I think didn’t get drafted.
Lamar Myles also returned to be our leading tackler last season and left early.
Earl Heyman also should be drafted. Peanut Whitehead was a sure-fire NFL prospect (career-ending injury), and Woodney was supposed to be NFL material.
Krag inherited a lot of talented guys. Of those talented players who have not been drafted, have not made NFL rosters or won’t be drafted this year, its hard to tell whether its because they weren’t as talented as we thought (despite going 11-1, 9-3, 12-1 and winning two Bowl games) or because Krag doesn’t make players better. Or some combo of the two.
Petrino got a ton out of players because of his system, but he also developed players and made them better.
Krags does neither.
Reading the CJ article about him this morning
Just makes me sick. He talks about what needs to be done, but has consistantly failed to do it. We are a national laughing-stock now. I am now officially disinterested in football. Thought I’d never say that.
Go Cards!
Job Responsibilities of a Coach
Its pretty simple. A coach has to…..
1. Recruit
2. Motivate
3. Call a good game
4. Be the face of the program to the fans, media and boosters
How is “coach” doing in all 4 phases? How about this…is he doing well in ANY of the 4?
He Hate UK
yep
Due to back-to-back years of incompetency, his sideline scowl has effectively become the face of this football program to the CFB world, replacing B. Brohm’s.
by UL is my hot hot sex on Dec 7, 2008 8:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

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