Cincinnati 28, Louisville 20
It's gross outside and I don't have a sporting event to look forward to today, so I'm going to shelve the initial positivity.
With all due respect to Cincinnati - a team that will almost certainly prove itself fully capable of handling Syracuse in two weeks - that was an awful football game. In fact, this has been a season loaded with almost nothing but awful football games. Even in the tight tilts where I've been near completely focused on willing the Cards to victory, there's always been a moment where, "wow, this is pretty bad" has crept into the back of my mind.
Sometimes you need the take of complete outsiders to gain proper perspective, and I found some of that when I read the U of L/UC game thread over at Burnt Orange Nation where a hoard of Texas fans were pulling for the Cards because a Bearcat loss would hurt Oklahoma and help the 'Horns in the computer rankings. I imagine it'd be sort of like us having to pull for UTEP to beat Rice in order to gain a No. 1 seed in the NCAA Tournament. Have I shared my feelings on college football's postseason before?
Anyway, here are a few of the thoughts of the UT turned U of L fans during the action last night.
This game is dead...
… no excitement.
by Horn Brain on Nov 14, 2008 11:27 PM EST
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It feels like Miami was about 15 years ago.
U of L was given every opportunity to seize complete control of the game early in the second half, but the Cards again refused to do so. Cincy kicks the ball out-of-bounds to start the half, U of L gets one first down and punts. Cincy fumbles on its own nine, U of L gains nothing and kicks a field goal. Cincy misses a field goal after a long drive, U of L goes three and out and gives it right back.
The Cards could never find a big offensive play when they needed it. Take two: The Cards could never find a big offensive play that wasn't negated by a holding penalty when they needed it.
There was a lot to be upset about after the game, but what precipitated the 45-yard field goal attempt made the largest negative stamp on me.
Apparently we have so little faith in our kicker with nothing on the line early in the first quarter that we opt to go for it on 4th and 6 instead of attempting a 25-yard field goal. But then, miraculously, we have so much faith in our kicker down one midway through the 4th quarter that we can run a draw play on 3rd and 16 from just outside the 30. You don't need to try and pick up the first down in that situation, but you do need to put the ball in the air and try to pick up nine or ten yards in order to give the kid a chance.
Ryan Payne was thrown to the wolves, and I found that really upsetting.
So apparently Brian Kelly's blowing off Kragthorpe after the game was the product of Krag making a fuss over the Bearcat players praying around midifeld before the game.
That's awesome. You get the feeling sometimes that the guy goes out of his way to invent stuff to get worked up about with the hope that he can minimize the lack of intensity criticism.
Sometimes the impact Ron English has had on this team becomes undeniably apparent.
Cincinnati tried to run the same middle screen it used to score its first touchdown on two more occasions later in the game. The first time the receiver made the catch and was hit immediately after a gain of two yards. The second time the linebackers were all over both receivers and the Bearcats ended up being penalized for having an ineligible receiver downfield.
This defense might not be as good as it could possibly be, but I think it's pretty damn close.
It's ridiculous how much this team needs Scott Long. There's simply no other legitimate deep threat among the corps.
I keep wanting Brohm to give Chris Vaughn a chance to step up and make some plays downfield - and to his credit, Vaughn played more inspired wearing No. 84 than he ever has while wearing No. 9 over the past three seasons - but when you keep your eye on him for an extended period of time, it becomes apparent why he hasn't been utilized any more in Long's absence: the guy doesn't know any of the plays. There were at least four times when the team broke the huddle and Vaughn had to go over to Cantwell and ask a question, and on two of those occasions he promptly went and lined up on the wrong side of the field.
Even on Doug Beaumont's big catch down the middle of the field, Josh Chichester was five yards directly in front of him, meaning one of them (I'm going to go ahead and guess No. 11) ran the wrong route.
Without Long and Guy for so much of the season, guys who weren't anywhere near ready for the spotlight were thrust into it kicking and screaming, and it's been really noticeable from the opening series against Kentucky up until now.
I feel like Troy Pascley goes deep on every play. It seems like every time a play ends you see Pascley jogging back to the huddle from about 30 yards downfield. He's like the super fast soccer-playing kid who had no hands at recess.
Trying to implement the Wildcat offense for the third-to-last game of the season doesn't make much sense to me. Then again, neither does 3rd grade math.
Cincinnati's offense stalled every time they tried to run no huddle. They'd run a draw for seven yards, then sprint to the line of scrimmage and get stuffed or throw an incompletion. I wish we'd seen more of it in the second half.
I think the highlight of the game was definitely the playing of "Shout" after the announcement of the VMI/Kentucky score. It was the most excited and unified the crowd has been since the '07 Murray State game.
There were a couple of Kentucky fans in the bathroom at halftime - apparently showing your team pride at a game featuring your arch-rival and a school you have no connection with is more important than actually watching your team play - both of whom were promptly greeted with VMI chants and then one guy in the area saying, "don't worry about it man, I'm sure VMI would give Gardner-Webb a hell of a game."
Oh, bathroom shenanigans.
The night was summed up by a message from a friend in the third quarter who said, "We're beating a ranked team on national television and I've gotten four text messages and a voice mail about UK losing to VMI."
Get well, Vic. Please, god, get well.
I expected a half-empty stadium once the rain started, but I was really disappointed in the lack of poncho unification. I'm sure they sell red ponchos somewhere, people. Don't settle for green, yellow or blue and think that's OK.
I don't think we've had a holding penalty on a play that's gone for less than 15 yards all season. Even when Josh Chichester tried, the ball went right to Brock Bolen and he rumbled for 30 yards.
It's not cool, but it's kind of amazing.
The Cincinnati fans were very loud and impressive. I suppose playing for a conference championship tends to have that effect.
It would have been nice if the hooligan who played the Tumbleweed game at halftime had had the decency to put his hat on straight.
The lead official must have told some girl he's trying to impress to watch the game, because he was sure jumping on every possible opportunity to get himself on television.
I made the remark when they went to review the Bolen play that I've never seen a spot challenge overturned in college or the NFL. Spotting the ball is about as much of an inexact science as there is, so finding conclusive evidence to overturn a call should be nearly impossible.
I still haven't seen the broadcast, but a number of people have confirmed that we got hosed, which I guess figures since there's only three weeks left in the season and getting inexplicably reemed by an officiating crew at least once a year was part of the agreement when the Big East offered U of L a spot in the conference.
I love Mike Mickens. I said it.
Cory Goettsche has really improved as the season has gone on, and deserves at least a little love. One of you send him a card.
Jon Dempsey made two straight hellacious plays. The first when he stripped Jacob Ramsey and then made the recovery, and the second when he came from the outside and caught John Goebel from behind right around the line of scrimmage. If he can bring that fire consistently next season then he could have a hell of a senior year.
I really don't understand why we had Travis Norton on an island against Dominick Goodman on 3rd and 4 on UC's last scoring drive. I realize that Goodman had gotten the best of Woodny Turenne for most of the game, but No. 9 is still your best option in that situation.
There was a stretch of about six or seven straight series' where we ran the ball for a short gain on first down and then threw it on second and third down. When we finally mixed it up and ran a reverse and a play-action pass on first down, both plays worked. The offense has to become as unpredictable as it was under Petrino if the coaching staff wants it to be anywhere near as effective as it was under Petrino.
How the play action, roll to the right, 11-yard comeback play continues to work after we've run it at least 750 times is anyone's guess.
I miss the keg.
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Good Defense?
How about the way we let Cinci mosey on down the field after squandering 1st and 10 inside their 20 yard line in the 4th quarter. Why we have to blitz on every down and end up giving up plays like those is beyond me.
by ddh1969 on Nov 15, 2008 4:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
He got lit up
Laid on the field for a little while, ran to the sideline under his own power before literally collapsing in front of the team. I haven’t seen a fall like that since my girlfriend’s drunk uncle tried to make it into the family picture after setting the timer on his camera.
by Dais on Nov 15, 2008 6:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Vic
They said it was a stinger on the broadcast but other than that I do not know his status.
by The White Mandingo on Nov 16, 2008 6:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Try going to a Western Kentucky game
no really……try it
by Irememberwheat! on Nov 15, 2008 6:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I really feel sorry
for that loss as I was rooting for the Cards and I thought they could win this game.
I know a lot of you hate Kragthorpe but he needs another year. I am just remembering the turnaround that UK did after what 3 years? I read the various boards and that Petrino controlled the team when he was there, But maybe he was tired of controlling the problems and then when Krag came in,,,he corrected. You all know there were many and it depleted the 2007 and 2008 team. I know that Pitino will NOT put up with the stuff that Krag would have had to endure w/o cleaning out the bad ones and the true fans of UL football know that also. Best of luck against WVU and Rutgers. Could still get a bowl game.
by kykat51 on Nov 15, 2008 7:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
One of my big donor friends said half-heartedly, 'Hey, look at what Brooks has done. Give K time."
I said “Do we really want to wait 4-6 yrs and see if we can even get a Rick Brooks and some Motor City Bowls out of this guy.”
We…were…beyond that. And could readily be once again, with a top-rung coach, in this relatively weak conference
by frankpos on Nov 15, 2008 9:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not to mention...
Grandpa Munster inherited a team on probation, not one coming off a BCS victory
by flubby on Nov 15, 2008 9:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
how dare UC pray on our field in a quiet, dignified manner???
… seriously, is Koach that desperate to manufacture a distraction?
by flubby on Nov 15, 2008 7:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I have to give props to Woodny
He gets beat in single coverage on a touchdown pass, then turns around on the next series and makes a huge interception. Way to play brother.
by Blocky on Nov 16, 2008 12:12 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Prayer
The prayer actually was something worthy of getting upset about, they could have prayed in the locker room or anywhere else on the field and they choose to pray around the cardinal at midfield. Was it a huge deal not really but lets be serious there are 100 better places to pray than around another teams logo in their house. It doesn’t help that I think Brian Kelly is the biggest ass of a coach in the big east now that rich rod is gone.
by gasrun on Nov 16, 2008 12:49 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
turrene
the norton play was the series after the interception and he got hurt on it and was back in the locker room during that series…he came back on the field after norton got embaressed but even then karldell dunning was out on the field i think, so i guess turrene was too hurt to play
by rob8 on Nov 16, 2008 2:06 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
More thoughts Mike
My girlfriend and I were at the game, sitting one section from the opponent alloted seats near the Schnell Complex end zone. My girlfriend turned to me and asked if I was embarrased at the contrast of enthusiasm between the UofL home fans and the UofC road fans, EVEN WHEN WE WERE AHEAD! Our fans, the ones that make Freedom Hall the best place in the world to see a game because of their understandings of the subtleties of the game, are the same fans that make PJCS one of the best places in the world to go beat a home team. The concepts of standing and getting loud during opponents’ offensive drives are lost on the fan base. Most don’t even know the rules of the game.
Where has UofL gone wrong in its fan education of the game? What about a recruiting visit to see a game would make a kid want to come to the ville, other than the obvious potential for competing for playing time immediately? Do you ever feel this embarassment? Your thoughts…
by Zakem2002 on Nov 16, 2008 12:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts
I wonder how many band wagon fans got picked up during the ‘06-’07 season? There are those people that only show their face at the games when we have a really good team. I think that is the problem.
UL Football Fan/UK Basketball Fan ~ FOB Kalsu, Iraq
by The White Mandingo on Nov 17, 2008 6:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sergio Spencer
The Deuce was showing a replay of the game last night, and for whatever reason I decided to watch a good bit of it.
One thing that really stuck out was that Sergio Spencer has no idea what he is doing. I know that he’s a newbie to the defense side of the football, and has some great athleticism, but Jesus. He blew AT LEAST 4 assignments, and that’s just in the second half.
That being said, defense isn’t our problem (can’t believe that’s the case), we have no deep threat and therefore have no way to stretch out the opposing defense with vertical passing. It’s frustrating as hell, but without it we can’t open up the middle of the field for our playmakers.
by Schmucky on Nov 16, 2008 1:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
There was a game yesterday?
I’m sorry, I must have missed it. I guess I moved on to basketball sometime in, oh, November… of 2007. LOL Until Kragthorpe is gone, my enthusiasm is dead. I’m a UofL grad, but until Jurich (or his successor) decides that football deserves the same level of seriousness that basketball gets, I’m not going to beat my head against the wall any longer. Hiring K was a mistake. It was 2 steps back. I think Jurich allowed his ego to get in the way, in that he didn’t want another prima donna like Petrino coming in and playing him for a fool. Well, this is big-time college athletics, TJ. You know that. You had a responsibility to go out and get a top-shelf coach to replace Petrino. Your feelings and ego are wholly irrelevant in that equation. You screwed up by hiring your old pal. He’s in way over his head and has been from Day One. Admit it, get him out of there, and do what you should have done the first time.
by CardsFanTX on Nov 16, 2008 5:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The most heartbreaking thing
Is that the “Related Fanshot” on the right side of the screen is this:
Scott Long returns to practice, could play Friday
by Dais on Nov 17, 2008 9:31 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Sean McDonough
As fired up as I was, I was amazed that Sean McDonough seamed even more upset about that horrible spot and Coach Kelly acting like an idiot. He must have had a good stay in Louisville or something.
by clayh2525 on Nov 17, 2008 11:22 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
May I ask a question here?
What other coaches were available at the time and who would be willing to come in and take over a Petrino team in the Big East?
by kykat51 on Nov 17, 2008 2:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
"Who would be willing to come in and take over a Petrino team in the Big East"
what the hell is that supposed to imply anyway?
or even mean ???
by frankpos on Nov 17, 2008 3:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe if we just ignore them,
they will just go away…….. ,o)
by Linda on Nov 17, 2008 3:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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Louisville finding every possible way to lose a game
This team has no heart
by burnt in ny on Nov 14, 2008 11:27 PM EST
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We are so spoiled... .nt whills
by Horn Brain on Nov 14, 2008 11:28 PM EST
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That was horrid
Contract the Big East
--PB--
by PB @ BON on Nov 15, 2008 12:17 AM EST
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