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U of L/UK Game Needs a Home

It's official, The Battle For the Governor's Cup is a television orphan.

UK athletic director Mitch Barnhart said today that the school is exploring options for televising the game, which UK fought to move from the first to the third game of this season.

The Wildcats and Cardinals will play on Sept. 15 at Commonwealth Stadium. Each team will play two games prior to that meeting.

ESPN has released its schedule - as well as those for ESPN2 and ESPNU - for Sept. 15, and UK-U of L won't air on any of those three networks.

Nor will it appear on CBS or Lincoln Financial, which air Southeastern Conference games.

ESPN Classic has expressed an interest in the game, and Barnhart said UK is having ongoing discussions about getting the game on TV.

Well congratulations Mitch, your dream of keeping as many people as possible from seeing the annual September mauling masked as a football game has been realized. And the sad thing is (for UK fans) that this may very well be the best team the school has fielded since the rivalry was renewed in 1994.

Unbelievable. Actually, extremely believable. Perhaps "undermarket and underperform" is Lee Todd's hot phrase for 2007-2008.

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If I were Barnhart....
... I would want as few people as possible to watch that ass-whipping.  As always, up yours, UK.

by flubby on Jun 20, 2007 3:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Gary Bettman called...
There is always Versus.

What a load of shit.

by Cary on Jun 20, 2007 4:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Help me out here ...
why is this Barnhart and Todd's fault, exactly?

What are the supposed to do, threaten ESPN by saying we will not allow them to show one of our basketball games if they don't carry the football game?

Look, I'm as disappointed as anybody, but I just don't see how Barnhart and Todd are laying down on the job here.  Kentucky is just not that big of a national draw.  Maybe Louisville isn't quite as big a draw as you guys want to believe.

Given the current state of affairs, it certainly made sense for Barnhart to move the game.  At the very least, it aught to make it more competitive rather than less.

You guys seem to have the answers here.  What am I missing?

A Sea of Blue - Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Jun 20, 2007 6:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

To answer the original question,
this is their fault because they're the ones who lobbied to move the game despite that fact that everyone at U of L as well as Louisville fans and (at the time) Kentucky fans were against it.  

ESPN had made the game part of its Labor Day lineup for the last five years, and going to the game or watching it on TV had been part of the Holiday weekend for a number of people in the state. Now the game's been moved and there's no spot for the game on TV, which is a crying shame considering that the level of play in this year's contest may very well be the highest it's ever been.

I'm well aware that Barnhart and company had every right to do this, but the "this is the best way for us to be competitive" argument doesn't hold much weight in my eyes considering that programs like Miami, Florida State, Colorado and Colorado State have all been in the same situation for years.  

The series had a good thing going with Labor Day Sunday and I think a lot of people are disappointed that it's going to be an every other year deal from here on.

(Note: There's no need for this to become a flame war, one thing I really like about ASoB are the civil and insightful conversations in the comments sections. Harmless and creative cheap shots are tolerated and encouraged, however.)

by Mike Rutherford on Jun 21, 2007 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, Mike ...
for the nice, honest answer.

I would not have wanted the game moved either, but Barnhart's reasons for doing so seem perfectly reasonable and adequate.  Barnhart could never have done it without U of L's agreement, so apparently they weren't that adamant about it, and the fans of either school are never consulted in any event.

Second, comparing programs like Miami, Florida State etc. to Kentucky's football program seems a stretch to me.  But even conceding that argument, just because they don't see value in changing a particular date doesn't mean that Kentucky should reach the same conclusion.

I agree with you completely that UK/UL on Labor Day weekend was a good thing, and moving it, from a fan standpoint, was undesirable.  But from a program standpoint, it makes considerably more sense.  Louisville's football program is far better than UK's at this point in time, and taking no action to hopefully mitigate a likely early-season pounding from a superior team is not necessarily in Kentucky's best interest, nor even U of L's  

In fact, it is arguably in the best interest of both schools that the rivalry remain competitive.  If it becomes like the Indiana-Kentucky high school all-star game, it will eventually die off.

By looking at the TV schedule, there are many lesser games which could have been bumped for a rivalry game, which I detailed below.  That's why I don't get the whole "Blame Mitch" and especially "Blame Lee Todd" angle.  Barad Dûr just decided to stick it to both schools.

Finally, there will be no flame wars from me, ever.  I was complimentary of Louisville's excellent run to the college World Series on ASoB the other day, an achievement for which all Louisville fans should be proud.  I look forward to our rivalry in the spirit of fun and good sportsmanship.  Hell, I live in Louisville, for God's sake -- I'll even admit to pulling for the Cards the last time they made it to the final four.

A Sea of Blue - Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Jun 21, 2007 8:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

To Clarify
What I meant with the Miami, Florida State, Colorado, Colorado State reference was not to infer that UK was on par with these programs, but to point out that they have all played rivalry games on the first week of the season for years, and I can't imagine their fan base accepting a statement from their AD like "we can be more competititve later in the season" as justification for moving the game from its traditional spot. As an SEC school, UK should be no different.

Also the Lee Todd reference was just so I could flip his now infamous quote for a cheap laugh, I wasn't trying to tie him to this situation.

What U of L fans want to know is if you can't beat us on the first weekend of the season, then what on earth makes you think you can beat us on the third? It reads like a great deal of wishful thinking, and as a result of that wishful thinking the game has no home on television.

It seems that Barnhart has somehow sold his once unsure fan base on the idea that UK can be more competitive in the third week of the season than it could in the first. And perhaps Mitch truly believes this himself, but what this looks like to me is the first step in the ultimately inevitable ending of this series.

by Mike Rutherford on Jun 21, 2007 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's a fair question ...
What U of L fans want to know is if you can't beat us on the first weekend of the season, then what on earth makes you think you can beat us on the third? It reads like a great deal of wishful thinking, and as a result of that wishful thinking the game has no home on television.

And the answer, as I see it, is this:  Kentucky has a very young O and D line this year.  Placing them against a top program like Louisville in the very first game of the year places our team at a serious disadvantage against the Cards more experienced line.

With a few warmups, they will likely improve enough to be more competitive, just because that's how things tend to go.  They'll still be playing against better players when we face Louisville, but our lines in particular will be much better prepared.

Take my opinion for what it's worth -- I'm a basketball guy trying to get back to football, which I don't follow closely.

I reject the idea that not being ESPN will affect us negatively if we somehow manage to win.  I see the argument, but it will be huge news if Kentucky upsets a program as highly ranked as the Cards should be.  

It is a gamble by Barnhart, but in my mind, a worthy one.  He'll look like a genius if we manage an upset.  If not, he'll have to put up with heat -- nothing new about that.

A Sea of Blue - Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Jun 22, 2007 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

its their fault because
they wanted the date changed.. if it was going to be the first game there would be a for sure spot on at least one of the espn channels.  I mean if they are going to broadcast UL vs. Murray State in place of that game on espn U.. there would have been a spot and you know that dude..

We didnt want the date changed, they did and thats why. Good enough?

by TheMrMeade on Jun 20, 2007 7:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

p.s
Oh yeah, U of L just isnt that big of a draw.. what an ignorant comment..
we had at least eleven games on national tv last year.
BY "current state of affairs" do you mean by "not being very good???"

by TheMrMeade on Jun 20, 2007 7:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So now my comment's gotta be ...
"ignorant", eh?

Spare me.  My point is this - it was within reason for Barnhart to change the game.  Why?  Because clearly, U of L has a better program right now.  No argument, simple fact of life.

Given this fact, why is it Barnhart's fault it wasn't picked up?  Just because of the change?  Please.  If U of L was such a big draw, and you certainly have made it clear you think they are, you would think a game against what is ostensibly their biggest in-state rival would deserve air time on the "U", if nothing else.

Apparently, ESPN agrees with my "ignorance".  Not that I'm proud of that, nor am I happy with it.  But what you, nor anyone else has explained is why changing the game date is the reason it wasn't picked up.  

My guess is you won't try, you'll just make snide remarks -- engaging in actual dialog instead of thumping your chest like a 12-year old might make you look like less of a "fan" and we wouldn't want that, now would we?

A Sea of Blue - Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Jun 20, 2007 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yablahblah
what makes you think im going to come off with snide remarks???

The fact is that national t.v has some big games on the 15th of september..
August 30th isn't exactly the prime time for big match-ups..It's mostly filled with your Ohio State vs. Youngstown State and such..
September 15th has;
Tenn@UF
ND@Michigan
Ark@Ala
Ohio State@Wash on espn
BC@GT on espn
Florida State@Colorado on espn

You cant bump any games like those to stick on a game that wasn't exactly a nail-biter last season.. during UK's "dream season." mind you..Thank goodness you got past Louisiana Monroe eh??
On August 30th they would be begging us to play on ESPN.
Save that dialog stuff for someone else, please.

by TheMrMeade on Jun 21, 2007 12:18 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh, yeah ...
You can't bump games like:

Texas at Central Florida, ESPN2, or Illinois at Syracuse, ESPNU, or Central Michigan at Purdue, ESPN2, or Boston College at Georgia Tech, ESPN2.

Heaven forfend.  There is just such a demand for those games out there.

Funny, you didn't mention those.  Looks to me like there's lots of room to add a rivalry game.

A Sea of Blue - Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Jun 21, 2007 7:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe i missed out on those because..
it was 12:20 and you can find out for your self.. I think the idea is that there are your more important games and then you have the others SCHEDULED to show.. i dont believe you can just drop a game like that to replace another that has the makings of a blow-out (regardless of what you might think, hows the defense lookin this year?)
The bottom line is that UK is the reason that this game isnt shown..
Around this part of town we all cant believe it and think it should change.. I agree that we should be on insted of a texas vs. Central Florida game..but im not sure how that works..
im sick of writing about this..
If the date wasnt changed, it woyuld be on T.V..period.

by TheMrMeade on Jun 21, 2007 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Moving THE game
You will get no snide comments from me. But to see where Barnhart say they are doing all they can do to get it on TV and that the exposure is important is disingenuous to say the least and a blatant lie to say the most. The UK-U of L matchup has been a fixture on ESPN for Labor Day weekend for the past 5 years and Mr. Barnhart willingly chose to move it, thus giving away the exposure he says he is interested in.
And while I certainly understand your desire to minimize Louisville's viewership draw on the national scene the FACT is that in the last few years several of ESPN's highest rated games EVER have included the Cards(whether viewers were watching to cheer for us or against is irrelevant)but I believe the Cardinals have built a good following nationally.

by CardinalDave on Jun 21, 2007 7:56 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What amazes me ...
is the incredible amount of ill will you are ascribing to Barnart.  I am not necessarily a fan of Barnhart, though I am not a detractor either, but why do his remarks that he is trying to address the situation have to be either "disingenuous" or a "blatant lie"?

Barnhart changed the game date for program reasons.  No, I didn't like it.  Obviously, U of L fans don't either.  But Jurich evidently wasn't adamantly opposed, or it wouldn't have happened.

I am not interested in minimizing Louisville's viewership draw, I was simply pointing out, and still am, that there are several games on the date in question of far less national interest, regardless of what I think of Louisville's potential.  In spite of that, ESPN has offered no changes.  Sounds to me like ESPN is sticking it to both programs, basically dictating when the game must be played if we want their coverage.  Why Barnhart should get the blame for their reticence is beyond me.

What escapes me even further is why he gets accused of dissembling when he says he is trying to address the problem.  Why would he try to get a rivalry game taken off television?  Because he fears the outcome with our best team in a long while and a new coach at the helm of Louisville, which at least on paper presents us with the best opportunity we have had in a while?

In what universe does that make sense?

A Sea of Blue - Kentucky Sports for the Discerning Fan

by Truzenzuzex on Jun 21, 2007 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i dont know what paper your lookin at?
HE ISN'T TRYING TO GET THE GAME OFF T.V MAN.. he is WHY its NOT on t.v.. the reason for moving the game back was to be more competitive, right?
"But Barnhart said UK wanted to move the game in the interest of giving its team the best chance to compete, and he doesn't regret the decision." - courier-journal

By him trying to have a "better chance" it cost us being on t.v... I dont know where the argument is here.. UK wanted it moved, UL didnt.. we HAD a ESPN station ready for Sept 1st.. they are booked for Sept. 15th..WHAT'S SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?

AND If Jurich opposed, what do you think he would have done? Just not have the game at all??? Please.. Your points suck.

by TheMrMeade on Jun 21, 2007 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

so.
For me this as another repercussion of an originally unpopular decision. We (Louisville) didn't want moved in the first place, and now that it has, we can't even watch it on ESPN.
Further, I don't see what possible power Jurich could have to halt the move of the game by UK on their home field. I have seen 3 teams cancel home and home(s) with us ( the worst of which Vandy canceling a 4 year deal). Even the all-knowing and being Jurich couldn't stop that. Anyway....

Barnhart moved the game "to stay competitive", could someone please inform me of what games have been places in Louisville stead?

by Blocky on Jun 21, 2007 10:05 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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